Another Code Pink Fiasco: Protester waves blood-colored hands in Rice's face

I agree and disagree all at the same time. They're not violent, just disruptive, but then again it's not like they're interrupting great works in the Congressional halls, (snicker, snicker....)

I disagree because the negative attention isn't doing their bid any good, and despite my dislike of our current leaders, they have to feel as though they are safe, and such disruptions can be unnerving at best.

Thanks for the info!

Not, only was this disruptive, it could have become violent given how close they actually got to Secretary Rice. If they can do it, who else could and cause a national security problem?

Those CodePink skanks have no class.

To quote one commenter on the article you cite:

"Pity that telling the truth is a criminal offense but being responsible for tens of thousands of American and Iraqi deaths isn't.

Welcome to George W.'s America !"

People do extraordinary things when it is called for. When people feel that they do not have the "civilized" avenues you speak of in which to voice their opposition, they are forced to use the so-called uncivilized. Americans are getting to the breaking point with this administration and this Congress, who are doing NOTHING to stop this illegal war and the mass killing of innocents. People will become more and more "uncivilized" and soon there will be violence in the streets, as there was during Vietnam. The question is, will they eventually be heard or continue to be ignored and insulted? Will Americans stand by and let their government continue its crimes against humanity in their name and defend these war criminals, or will they join in and lend power to a more "civilized" protest?

Sheryl-

You and some of your anti-war haters get a few things wrong. The war is not Illegal, congress approved it. The civilian casualties are down because our stategy is finally working. War is not pretty, but it is war. The fact is that we just can not pull out or many many more civilians would die. This is not vietnam. America was attacked and it is time that the anti-war left stops forgetting that.

"Time has come for Congress to take a stand and forbid the Code Pink Women from coming into the halls of Congress. "

Perish the thought! The halls of Congress are open to all Americans, dissenters and supporters alike. Dissent and protest are vital parts of our political system - without it, we would cease to be a free country. Think about it. What happens when the administration changes, and people with anti-Democrat T-shirts are barred from speeches, congressional sessions, and governmental buildings? Will you be barred from attending an open session of Congress? Will you be one of the people hauled out in handcuffs, demanding that they honor your rights?

"...they have decided that spitting on the institutions of the United States in[sic] a better philopsophy.[sic]"

How is protesting in the halls of government, "spitting on the institutions of the United States?" Do you forget? Our country was founded by a bunch of uppity, marginalized, pissed-off protesters who got fed up with being exploited for profit by King George and the Dutch West India Company. Protest and dissent IS one of the institutions of our country.

"Our system of government was set up to allow for discussions of ideas, but in any represenative[sic] form of government you do not always get your way. "

I agree completely! As a political moderate, a lot of legislation doesn't go the way I'd like to see it. If I don't like it, I write my representative, get other people involved, and work within the system to either get the legislation changed, or find some compromise that everyone can live with. This is how government works. If I don't get my way, you can bet that I'm going to protest until a compromise is reached, or enough people are persuaded to overturn flawed legislation. Now, I haven't carried a picket sign or stood in front of city hall in years, but I'm not going to discourage others from doing so.

"Not, only was this disruptive, it could have become violent given how close they actually got to Secretary Rice."

Nonsense. Code Pink protesters have never been violent.

I do hate war - it should be the instrument of absolutely LAST defense. This war was based on lies, lies and more lies. It was mis-represented to the Congress, it was not condoned by the Security Counsel, agreements for weapons searches were bi-passed and ignored. It was an illegal "preemptive" attack without any true basis. That is NOT what our Constitution upholds.

You can believe anything you want, and I know you do by what you publish here on Gather, MDP. I know you LOVE this war and feel that our country would not exist if we did not attack this country without provocation. You are free to believe that all you want. But don't even BEGIN to talk about civilian casualties when the whole body count is so gerry rigged by this government, on both American and non-American casualties, as to make the "counts" total jokes. But again, believe away. You, as are many Americans, are totally convinced that this president is somehow protecting you and your country, when, if fact, we are in much worse a position than we have ever been in the past. We don't even have many true allies left.

Yes, America was attacked, but NOT BY IRAQ. You still haven't gotten over being lied to, have you? You still won't believe the facts after 5 years of evidence. Well, you will probably go to your grave not admitting that you have been duped, so debating with you is worthless. I will simply state again that most people in America do NOT support this war and are losing patience.

Where do I join ??????

"America was attacked and it is time that the anti-war left stops forgetting that." Attacked by who?

Civil disobedience will always be with us. Some of the greatest changes began with civil disobedience.

Some people just dont deserve freedom of speech, especially when it disrupts important government business. Those Code-Pinkos should be banned. They only make their cause look more illigetimate and crazy by doing crap like this.

America was attacked by a terrorist group called Al Queda. Who the leader of Iraq had met with their leaders. He even funded many terrorist organizations who particpated with Al Queda even paying for suicide bombers who took out Isrealis. Lets be honest.

People can protest all they want and have. Disrupting Congress is not acceptable. They can call and petition their representatives all they want but accousting the Secretary of State is not acceptable free expression especially in a serious Congressional Hearing. Represenative Democracy means that you elect others to represent you. They were meeting in Congress to talk about serious matters not to be harassed by ill intentioned americans.

Your comment begs the question, MDP. Why haven't the terrorists been apprehended and brought to trial?

To some people, stopping war is a good intention.

joe-

that is a complex question. Some have been captured some are still on the loose and yet here at home some worry more about how we are treating members of Al Queda then trying capture them

The only way to get those fools to listen is to disrupt them !

I don't believe that for a moment. Al Qaeda isn't in Iraq. We are wasting time and resources in a country that was not a threat to us. There are good reasons to be against this war. Let's fight the real fight and get those terrorists. Osama should be apprehended and brought to trial. The other henchmen he associates with (Hussein was never one of them) should be brought to trial. Instead, we waste time in a failure of a war and don't do a thing to restore any order to Afghanistan. We bombed them and have no choice but to stay. Terrorism should be a higher priority. Those terrorists (Al Qaeda) have been free to plan and plot against the country for too long.

THere are means, and then there are means, to use a level headed means is not what the extreme left is about. THeir view is, "It should only be done with our people and not your's". When Clinton was in office this same war had been talked about, but because of it's importance was never dealt with. Now that the Republicans are doing it, the left cannot stand it. And to be honest, they would have had us in an even worse state of affairs as usual.

Joe T, are you serious? Al-Qaeda is not in Iraq? Then what exactly is Al-Qaeda in Iraq? CIA operatives disguised as terrorists? I guess Zarqawi was an imaginary person too.

Its ok to protest the war. That is your right. But it is over the line to interput government business. You accomplish nothing by doing that. It only results in more hearings being closed to the public. Save protests for more appropriate times.

Zarqawi (sp) was not affiliated with Osama. Hussein was not affiliated with Osama. If you believe that Al Qaeda was in Iraq when we bombed them, you'll believe anything.

I don't know about civil disobedience in the halls of Congress. If people are not allowed to protest then what does the First Amendment really mean?

Don I am sorry but I believe the "fools" have more information than you.

Joe they are allowed to protest. But when they do so when real buisness is carried out not only is it an insult to America but Illegal.

Anyone can claim that they are carrying out real business, MDP. Planned Parenthood claims that they are carrying out their business but it doesn't stop civil disobedience. It's really the same issue. At first, I wasn't sure but the more I think about it, there has to be room for dissent in this country.

Let me get this straight Joe. So, when Zarquawi pledged his loyalty to Osama, and Osama said that Zarquawi was the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, that meant nothing?

Hussein may not have been connected to Osama, but he was a terrorist. He oppressed his people and gave money and weapons to Palestinians. Saddam was indeed a terrorist.

All right, ty phoon. I won't try to convince you. Neither Zarqarwi nor Hussein were a threat to the USA until we bombed them.

"America was attacked by a terrorist group called Al Queda. Who the leader of Iraq had met with their leaders." So did the U.S. government. In fact, we supplied money and arms to then to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan. WE actually created them. That line of logic does not work.

Iraq was connected to Al Queda Clinton's own terrorism czar said so.

He was even told he could live in baghdad

From 1999

-- Sheila MacVicar, ABC News, January 14, 1999

'". . . [Mamdouh Mahmud] Salim, alleged to be a key military advisor and believed to be privy to bin Laden's most secret projects, is also apprehended. The US government alleges that he was under secret orders to procure enriched uranium for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons.

These are allegations bin Laden does not now deny. "It would be a sin for Muslims not to try to possess the weapons that would prevent the infidels from inflicting harm on Muslims, but how we could use these weapons if we possessed them is up to us.


With an American price on his head, there weren't many places bin Laden could go, unless he teamed up with another international pariah, one also with an interest in weapons of mass destruction. Osama believes in the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend, and someone I should cooperate with.' That is certainly the current case with Iraq. Saddam Hussein has a long history of harboring terrorists: Carlos the Jackal, Abu Nida, Abu Abbas. The most notorious terrorist of their era all found shelter and support at one time in Baghdad.


Intelligence sources say bin Laden's long relationship with the Iraqis began as he helped Sudan's fundamentalist government in their efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction. Three weeks after the bombing, on August 31st, bin Laden reaches out to his friends in Iraq and Sudan. Iraq's vice president arrives in Khartoon to show his support for the Sudanese after the US attack. ABC News has learned that during these meetings, senior Sudanese officials, acting on behalf of bin Laden, asked if Saddam Hussein would grant him asylum.


Iraq was indeed interested. ABC News has learned that in December, an Iraqi intelligence chief, named Farouk Hijazi, now Iraq's ambassador to Turkey, made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.''


And intelligent sources say that they can only speculate on the purpose of an alliance. What could bin Laden offer Saddam Hussein? Only days after he meets Iraqi officials, bin Laden tells ABC news that his network is wide and there are people prepared to commit terror in his name who he does not even control.


'It's our job to incite and to instigate. By the grace of God, we have done that.'"

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"Joe T, are you serious? Al-Qaeda is not in Iraq? Then what exactly is Al-Qaeda in Iraq?"
Ty, you're a riot. No, they were NOT in Iraq when we invaded that country, but we opened the door for them and now they are in Iraq. I guess if reality doesn't conform with your views, you can just create your own reality and make it come true. WE opened the door to the terrorists in Iraq. They were NOT there before-Saddam would not have allowed them. They are Shiia and Saddam was Sunni - he hated them.

Sheryl-

Never said we did not. It was a part of a flawed philosophy that was applied during the Cold war. That really is not relevant some twenty years later becase we cannot change that. Now he was meeting and offering help and asylum to Al Queda. That is the relevant part of the history because it was continuing to go on.

Sheryl, whether of not they were there before is not the argument. That would be a good point were it still 2002. But we are there NOW, and so are we, and we have to deal with the situation.

You guys remind me of children who go around creating havoc, with clueless parents who follow them around cleaning up their messes, but never reprimanding them or correcting their mistakes. This administration can get us in the deepest sh*t ever, and you will defend them to the end of your days and continue paying for and cleaning up after their mistakes. And your children, and your children's children, and their children, etc. etc. etc.

Getting back to the original point, I'm glad that there are some "good parents" in this democracy who have the guts to point out the sh*t their children are making and demand they change their behavior.

the only children I see in this process are the code pink girls. I do not think taking on terrorism is a mistake. Iraq should not have come so soon, but we are there and have to complete the job or things will be much worse. Running away never makes things better.

The whole question is wrong. I don't give a damn about whether or not the war is legal, just, proper, or whatever, common decency says you don't go up to a government official and wave your simulated blood stained hands in their faces, especially when they are acting in an official capacity. Let's flip the question, what if someone was to walk up to a face of a democrat and wave a plastic fetus in their face when they are supposed to be testifying before congress? There is a right to free speech, there is no right for in your face grandstanding. Shock protesting has no place in a civilized society. If you can't make your message in a polite manner please don't make it at all.

Good points MDP, Ty and Christopher B.
Code Pink are desperate for attention. They are uncouth and should be arrested for the outrageous stunts that they are doing.

Sox Break - They RULE in the first inning! Go Sox!

And continue to kick ass in the 5th!

Rice is just another bush lackey.

if you can't take the heat , get the hell out of the kitchen , and another thing the entire Iraq fiasco is "(al kida" included) is g w bush's fault.

He started it for his rich friends and the next president will be stuck with it because of the cowardly congress.

THERE IS STILL TIME TO IMPEACH YOU YELLOW BASTARDS

Al Quaeda was not in Iraq until the US got there

Real men watch the world series.

Trust me, if an anti-abortion protester waved a phony bloody fetus at a Dem in similar circumstances, CNN & the NY Times would advocate not only banning them from Congress, but investigating every member! Great point, Christopher B.

I once saw a comment on a thread here at gather that said "Code Pink is a highly respect group of activists." *chuckle*

I said in reply, "that's the funniest oxymoron I've ever heard."

Code Pink *ROFL* what a joke those people are.

I admire the restraint and coolheadedness shown by Ms. Rice. I do have to wonder how Hillary would have reacted to such a close encounter.

Bloody replicas of fetus' have already been waved in front of Dems. No one cared and no one did anything about it. So stop that nonsense. The analogy doesn't work.

Dissent will always be with us. Certainly, an anti-abortion protester is a dissenter. The majority wants abortion to be legal. The same goes for these Code Pink ladies. The majority doesn't seem to give a damn about the state of affairs. They just happen to be in the minority. Let's cut them some slack.

Katie her people have already thrown people out who ask tough questions of her.

Katie, you have to remember that with Mrs. Rice, she is a self made woman, one that grew up in hardships and dealt with them and succeeded. She is dealing with loosers that have no ground to stand on, nor want to make anything of themselves.
Herr. Klinton, had everything given to her, so she does not have to face the hard realities of life. She can just have others thrown on their faces in the street.

Don, Joseph, Sheryl,
Suppose we had never gone into Iraq or suppose we brought our troops home tomorrow. Do you think in either case that Al-Qaeda would just be sittig at home (in a cave, or a palace, or wherever) watching the Red Sox and Al-Jeezira TV? No, they would be plotting to kill people on American soil. Isn't it better that we engage them elsewhere rather than here where you, your children, and other innocent people live?
This childish behavior by codepink is reprehensible, just like Pelosi wanting to disrupt our ally Turkey with a 100 year old slap, Reid fabricating something Limbaugh said in order to try to silence him, and Hillary not releasing any White House documents from her years as First lady.