FISA is unconstitutional, and GW Bush has only enabled Congress to continue to usurp power/authority from the Executive branch.
Article II of the US Constitution has consistently been interpreted in such a way as to allow the President full power/authority to conduct foreign intelligence gathering in any manner he sees fit. Furthermore, Congress cannot pass any law that would abrogate these powers/authority endowed to the president by the Constition.
In 1967, the Court decided Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347, which involved a criminal having a phone conversation from a telephone booth. In this case the court rightly applied the 4th amendment. However, the Court specifically noted, that its decision did not apply to situations involving national security, by stating:
Whether safeguards other than prior authorization by a magistrate would satisfy the Fourth Amendment in a situation involving the national security is a question not presented by this case.
Five years later, the United States v. United States District Court, 407 U.S. 297 (1972) was heard. This case was about a criminal prosecution for conspiracy to dynamite a Michigan office of the C.I.A.. The Court's majority opinion stated:
[This case involved the question of the President's power, acting through the Attorney General, to authorize electronic surveillance FOR INTERNAL security matters without prior judicial approval.
The court acknowledged the US government has conducted warrantless surveillance in internal security cases "for more than one-quarter of a century." They further stated "This case requires no judgment on the scope of the President's surveillance power with respect to the activities of foreign powers, within or without this country." They went on to add, "We emphasize, before concluding this opinion, the scope of our decision. As stated at the outset, this case involves only the domestic aspects of national security. We have not addressed, and express no opinion as to, the issues which may be involved with respect to activities of foreign powers or their agents."
Another USSC decision is Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507 (2004).Hamdi, as an American citizen, was captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. He then sued the Defense Department, claiming his indefinite detention as an illegal enemy combatant was unconstitutional. The court UPHELD his detention by stating:
The Government maintains that no explicit congressional authorization is required, because the Executive possesses plenary authority to detain pursuant to Article II of the Constitution. We do not reach the question whether Article II provides such authority, however, because we agree with the Government's alternative position, that Congress has in fact authorized Hamdi's detention through the AUMF (the post-September 11 Authorization for the Use of Military Force.)
The Court further stated: We conclude that detention of individuals falling into the limited category we are considering, for the duration of the particular conflict in which they were captured, is so fundamental and accepted an incident to war as to be an exercise of the "necessary and appropriate force" Congress has authorized the President to use.
The Third Circuit in 1974 heard United States v. Butenko, 494 F.2d 593, where the defendant was convicted of espionage. The court wrote:
In sum, we hold that, in the circumstances of this case, prior judicial authorization was not required since the district court found that the surveillances of Ivanov were “conducted and maintained solely for the purpose of gathering foreign intelligence information.â€
In 1974 the Ninth Circuit heard United States v. Buck, 548 F.2d 871), a firearms prosecution. The court stated:
Foreign security wiretaps are a recognized exception to the general warrant requirement...
The Fourth Circuit heard United States v. Truong in 1980, a criminal prosecution arising out of the defendant’s spying on behalf of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. The case squarely spoke to the issue of the Executive branch’s inherent power to conduct warrantless surveillance for national security purposes:
The defendants raise a substantial challenge to their convictions by arguing that the surveillance conducted by the FBI violated the Fourth Amendment and that all the evidence uncovered through that surveillance must consequently be suppressed. As has been stated, the government did not seek a warrant for the eavesdropping on Truong’s phone conversations or the bugging of his apartment. Instead, it relied upon a “foreign intelligence†exception to the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement. In the area of foreign intelligence, the government contends, the President may authorize surveillance without seeking a judicial warrant because of his constitutional prerogatives in the area of foreign affairs.
The court agreed with the government's position stating clearly:
For several reasons, the needs of the Executive are so compelling in the area of foreign intelligence, unlike the area of domestic security, that a uniform warrant requirement would, following [United States v. United States District Court, 407 U.S. 297 (1972), “unduly frustrate†the President in carrying out his foreign affairs responsibilities. First of all, attempts to counter foreign threats to the national security require the utmost stealth, speed and secrecy. A warrant requirement would add a procedural hurdle that would reduce the flexibility of Executive foreign intelligence activities, in some cases delay Executive response to foreign intelligence threats, and increase the chance of leaks regarding sensitive Executive operations.
The court held such warrantless searches are constitutional, as long as the “object of the search or the surveillance is a foreign power, its agent or collaborators,†and the search is conducted “primarily†for foreign intelligence reasons.
In 2002, the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review decided Sealed Case No. 02-001, arising out of the Patriot Act, intending to break down the “wall†between law enforcement and intelligence gathering.
The Patriot Act modified Truong’s “primary purpose†test by providing that surveillance under FISA was proper if intelligence gathering was one “significant†purpose of the intercept. In the opinion the Court stated:
The Truong court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue, held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information. It was incumbent upon the court, therefore, to determine the boundaries of that constitutional authority in the case before it. We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power.
Doesn't that make sense? If the Executive power/authority is granted by the Constituion, how is it possible for Congress to write a law that would negate, or even merely limit the Executive's inherent Constitutional power/authority?
The federal appellate courts have unanimously held the President has inherent constitutional authority to order warrantless searches for purposes of gathering foreign intelligence information, which includes information about terrorist threats. Furthermore, since this power is derived from Article II of the Constitution, the FISA Review Court has specifically recognized that it cannot be taken away or limited by Congressional action.
It’s worth noting, all of the cases above involved warrantless searches within the borders of the United States. The NSA program involves international communications only, and the intercepts take place at least in part, and perhaps wholly, outside the United States. Therefore the NSA case is crystal clear, the Courts have already upheld the Presidential power/authority under Article II.
The Bush administration has argued in addition to inherent power/authority, the NSA program is legal because it was authorized by Congress in the post-September 11 Authorization for the Use of Military Force. The administration clearly wants assume this position, since this is the rationale adopted by the USSC in Hamdi. The AUMF can easily be construed in this manner because it gave the authority to “use all necessary and appropriate force,†and this logically would include intercepting communications, since intelligence gathering is just as much a “fundamental and accepted incident of war†as detaining illegal enemy combatants.
Given the fact the administration used the FISA warrant procedure for the vast majority of its anti-terror electronic intercepts, why did it bypass FISA in a relative handful of instances represented by the NSA program?
When our forces overseas capture a terrorist and take possession of his laptop or cell phone, time is of the essence. Those phone numbers and email addresses will be useful only until the terrorist’s associates realize he has been captured or killed. Therefore the first days, hours or even minutes after the numbers and addresses fall into our possession are likely to be critical.
In addition, courts in the USA have jurisdiction within the United States and its possessions; they have no jurisdiction in another country. In the U.S., a court can issue a warrant requiring a telephone company, for example, to cooperate with a government wiretap. It can make no such order in a foreign country.
FISA may perhaps expand, but cannot not impinge upon, the President’s inherent powers under the Constitution, which are more than sufficient to support the electronic intercepts at issue here, wherever they occurred.
The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, the basic federal statute that prohibits you and me from wiretapping states in Section 2511 (2) (f):
(f) Nothing contained in this chapter or chapter 121 or 206 of this title, or section 705 of the Communications Act of 1934, shall be deemed to affect the acquisition by the United States Government of foreign intelligence information from international or foreign communications, or foreign intelligence activities conducted in accordance with otherwise applicable Federal law involving a foreign electronic communications system, utilizing a means other than electronic surveillance as defined in section 101 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, and procedures in this chapter or chapter 121 and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance, as defined in section 101 of such Act, and the interception of domestic wire, oral, and electronic communications may be conducted.
So we come full circle, back to the Constitution.
The only constitutional limitation on the President’s power to intercept communications by Americans for national security purposes is that such intercepts be “reasonable.â€
Is it reasonable for the administration to do all it can to identify the people who are communicating with known terrorists overseas, via the terrorists’ cell phones and computers, and to learn what terrorist plots are being hatched by those persons?
Is it reasonable to do so even when, or, especially when, some portion of those communications come from people inside the United States? I don’t find it difficult to answer those questions; nor, would the USSC in my opinion.
In short, at one time or another the courts have upheld MANY instances supporting the Bush administrations position. These include the authority/power to:
Detain American citizens for investigative purposes without a warrant;
Arrest American citizens, based on probable cause, without a warrant;
Conduct a warrantless search of the person of an American citizen who has been detained, with or without a warrant;
Conduct a warrantless search of the home of an American citizen in order to secure the premises while a warrant is being obtained;
Conduct a warrantless search of, and seize, items belonging to American citizens that are displayed in plain view and that are obviously criminal or dangerous in nature;
Conduct a warrantless search of anything belonging to an American citizen under exigent circumstances if considerations of public safety make obtaining a warrant impractical;
Conduct a warrantless search of an American citizen's home and belongings if another person, who has apparent authority over the premises, consents;
Conduct a warrantless search of an American citizen's car anytime there is probable cause to believe it contains contraband or any evidence of a crime;
Conduct a warrantless search of any closed container inside the car of an American citizen if there is probable cause to search the car — regardless of whether there is probable cause to search the container itself;
Conduct a warrantless search of any property apparently abandoned by an American citizen;
Conduct a warrantless search of any property of an American citizen that has lawfully been seized in order to create an inventory and protect police from potential hazards or civil claims;
Conduct a warrantless search — including a strip search — at the border of any American citizen entering or leaving the United States;
Conduct a warrantless search at the border of the baggage and other property of any American citizen entering or leaving the United States;
Conduct a warrantless search of any American citizen seeking to enter a public building;
Conduct a warrantless search of random Americans at police checkpoints established for public-safety purposes (such as to detect and discourage drunk driving);
Conduct warrantless monitoring of common areas frequented by American citizens;
Conduct warrantless searches of American citizens and their vessels on the high seas;
Conduct warrantless monitoring of any telephone call or conversation of an American citizen as long as one participant in the conversation has consented to the monitoring;
Conduct warrantless searches of junkyards maintained by American citizens;
Conduct warrantless searches of docks maintained by American citizens;
Conduct warrantless searches of bars or nightclubs owned by American citizens to police underage drinking;
Conduct warrantless searches of auto-repair shops operated by American citizens;
Conduct warrantless searches of the books of American gem dealers in order to discourage traffic in stolen goods;
Conduct warrantless drug screening of American citizens working in government, emergency services, the transportation industry, and nuclear plants;
Conduct warrantless drug screening of American citizens who are school officials;
Conduct warrantless drug screening of American citizens who are school students;
Conduct warrantless searches of American citizens who are on bail, probation or parole.
Quite simply, there is no basis for ANYONE to argue the Bush administration, through the NSA spying program, is doing ANYTHING "illegal."




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Personally, I fear the Panda Bears. (Panda bears are chinese pushing for an American bear market(?)) They hold (X) trillion US dollars to invest so....
Second, the middle east is a problem we cannot solve and will only get much worse if we leave.
South of the border offers safe business ventures that can't blow up in our faces. All that is needed is negotiations.
I'm all for cheap labor from Mexico myself.
China is holding the cash in a classical bear (panda bear) action, if our economy goes south, our dollar depreciates then china, having switched to the Euro, will buy back low value dollars, vastly increasing their dollar holding, then China can acquire a number of US banks, as they have started to do already. In the end they may have a big hold on the American economy. Can anything be done? The original agreement called for trade, not a bear play! Washington has threatened China with a tariff if they withheld trade, to which China responded that they would nationalize US corporate holdings in China if Washington decides to tariff, (they are communists after all) so Washington backed down. Those trillions held by China takes a whole lot of cash out of circulation in this country, Which I think is the number one reason for our current slow down.
The Middle East? Attacks across the border are ever coming from Iran, talk was of military action with Iran, but Turkey, Iran and Russia set up a treaty, allowing Iran nuclear bomb capability, my understanding. So where does that leave us?
And your still ticked because your last taco had too much hot sauce.
Yes I know, it's "constitutional originalist."
Donald, your off subject and I feel no need to respond.
You have got to be kidding... or insane.
First off, if you really believe it was the intent of the Founders -- who were used to having their privacy and their "persons, houses, papers, and effects" violated, by a powermad, unaccountable despot, who fancied himself and his administration to be legislature, judiciary, and executive; judge jury and executioner all rolled into one -- to give this same type of power to the Executive of the government they were creating, then I highly recommend you go back and read "The Federalist Papers," or any work containing the minutes or an overview of the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
Secondly, much of the legislation and judicial languaage in the cases and arguments you cite have qualifiers that you seem to dismiss, such as powers granted to the President "in time of war." In that case, none of those powers would apply currently due to the fact that we are not -- and haven't been since WWII -- in an official, legally declared state of war. The mandate of the Congress to declare war, when necessary, is more than just quaint, outmoded symbolism. It has very important legal, moral, and practical ramifications. Since Congress has not declared war, any "war powers" of the President are inapplicable.
Just because Congress has not found the need to honor their Oath to defend and uphold the Constitution (against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic), has abdicated its responsibilities, and shows no signs of correcting their past transgressions, does NOT mean that the situation that has derived from their failures and delinquency can be construed as being "legal" or "constitutional." Any law or act by the Congress or the President MUST be in compliance with the Constitution.
"An unconstitutional act is not law. It confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protections; it creates no office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." -- Norton v. Shelby County118US 425@442
I don't know how you could get any more clear and concise than this:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
It was quite plain and clear, in the language of the Declaration of Independence as well as the personal and public writings of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Samuel Adams, Thomas Paine, and others, that the sole purpose of any just government -- indeed, as Jefferson put it, the reason "we resort to government at all" -- is to PROTECT our natural, God-given rights; to secure the Life, Liberty, and Property of individuals. Not to undermine our rights in the name of "security." Throughout modern history, the state calling for its subjects to relinquish liberties for perceived "national security" has been the preferred tactic for establishing unaccountable government; government in secret and government by surprise; the prime M.O. of state tyranny.
Besides, a point that no one seems to have put together, that no one seems to notice or question, is that the government and the 9/11 Ccommission both stated, not long after 9/11, that all the intelligence and information needed to prevent the attacks were on hand; and this, presumably, was accomplished above board, legally and under the supervision of the courts and oversight of Congress, within the purview of long-established FISA codes, regulations, and requirements -- that the problem that led to the failure of the FBI and CIA to stop the attacks had to do with bureaucratic red tape and deficiencies in information sharing.
So... in light of these facts, what is it that Congress and the Administration do? They create MORE BUREAUCRACY! instead of just eliminating unnecessary or burdensome levels of bureaucracy, and the red tape (and the cost to the taxpayers) that go with them, they simply create new offices, hire more bureaucrats.
But the big question is, if the intelligence gathering apparatus was sufficient before 9/11, the intel-collection techniques (within the guidelines of FISA as it was then established) were well enough, and it was the intelligence sharing and disseminating throughout the bureaucracy that was the problem; then WHY THE HELL IS IT NOW NECESSARY FOR US TO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT MORE POWER TO SPY, TO RELINQUISH MORE OF OUR LIBERTIES?
I'm sure now I'll get a whole raft of statist claptrap about how our rights and liberties are subordinate to the whim and superior wisdom, morality, and pure intentions of politicians and bureaucrats and their enforcers to keep us "safe" from the hoards of primitive (yet simultaneously sophisticated and cunning) evil brown-skinned people who want to kill us because we're "free" and their jealous of our prosperity -- and this collectivist jingoism from a person who considers himself a "constitutional originalist."
New powers are already being used in ways not intended.
The law of England applies in England, and that is the law that the US must comply with IN ENGLAND. The law of the US applies in the US...and must be complied with. If you receive a call from Bin Laden, that is probable cause for a warrant. BUT THE WARRANT IS STILL REQUIRED if the government is to tap YOUR domestic calls.
The USA has NO authority to prosecute a crime committed in Spain under Spanish law, and NO authority to Prosecute that crime if the perpetrator subsequently arrives in the USA. I can still go to Holland and buy Heroin on the LEGAL market there. I cannot bring that product into the USA, but I also cannot be prosecuted in the USA for buying the heroin.
Lawyers look for loopholes in the letter of the law to circumvent the SPIRIT of the law.
You have it HALF right, and HALF wrong. INSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE USA YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG.
I have no idea, neither do you. What I do know is what the Courts have consistently interpreted Article II of the Constitution to mean, over DECADES of precendent setting decisions.
powers granted to the President "in time of war."
We're in a war, whether you like it or not, and Congress signed off on that war with AUMF.
An unconstitutional act is not law. It confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protections; it creates no office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed."
Which is precisely why I stated FISA is unconstitutional.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
It is perfectly clear, and so too, is Article II of the constitution, giving the president inherent powers that Congress cannot abrogate.
the reason "we resort to government at all" -- is to PROTECT our natural, God-given rights; to secure the Life, Liberty, and Property of individuals.
Which is precisely what is being done in the global war on terror.
WHY THE HELL IS IT NOW NECESSARY FOR US TO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT MORE POWER TO SPY, TO RELINQUISH MORE OF OUR LIBERTIES?
It isn't-- what is at play here is to return rightfully granted Constitutional powers to the Executive that Congress/USSC has usurped over the years.
You sir, are the only one offerring claptrap. I have presented a clear picture of USSC decisoins over the past few decades that uphold Executive power/authority.
New powers are already being used in ways not intended
There is nothing "new" about the courts consistently upholding the inherent power/authorities of the Executive.
Wrong-- most of the cases I cited above were complete domestic in nature, and if an international element is involved, there is no question whatsoever Bush has the right to be doing what he's doing.
BUT THE WARRANT IS STILL REQUIRED if the government is to tap YOUR domestic calls.
No, it isn't, as the cases I have cited demonstrate quite clearly.
The USA has NO authority to prosecute a crime committed in Spain under Spanish law, and NO authority to Prosecute that crime if the perpetrator subsequently arrives in the USA.
I never suggested such a thing, hence this is a red herring.
You have it HALF right, and HALF wrong. INSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE USA YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG
It's fine for you to say it, but the courts agree with me, and I've just cited the cases that prove it.
You state your agreement that unconstitutional actcs are unlawful and thus void, yet you pick and choose which unconstitutional acts you wish to apply this to.
There is absolutely NOTHING in Article II (I have it in front of me right now) that gives the President power to ignore the Fourth Amendment. Article I and Article III plainly state the role of the Congress and the Judiciary of exercising oversight responsibilities over the Executive, though, so any unconstitutionality involving FISA codes would have to do with any provision which impedes that process.
And while we're on the topic of unconstitutional acts being unlawful, I might point out that the AUMF that you cite as justification for your "Presidential War Powers" argument would be one of those.
Congress cannot, by law, relegate its duty and responsibility -- indeed its mandate -- to DECLARE WAR if we are to have one at all. If Congress, the President, or anyone, wishes to change this fundamental fact, then all they have to do is amend the Constitution. Just ignoring it, and carrying on as though that particular mode of doing things is so trivial that they can just skip over it, shows a blatant disregard for what was intended to be 100% inviolable Law of the Land. Thomas Jefferson once said:
"To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer succeptible of any definition."
Myself: "... to give this same tyoe of power to the Executive..."
jJack: "I have no idea. Neither do you..."
Speak for yourself. I absolutely do have a very good idea. You can either consider the history as I'm sure you're already aware of it, and determine whether or not the Framers wished to create an branch of government with powers parallel to the despotic Monarchy which they had just successfully thrown off; or you can take my advice and read the Federalist Papers, or read Thomas Paine's "Common Sense," or if you really fell like a good self-education, pick up Professor Murray Rothbard's book "Conceived in Liberty." Actually, I highly recommend to anyone to read anything by Murray Rothbard.
No, I don't--- as I said, this isn't MY opinion--- it is the opinion of the USSC over several DECADES. I have not applied the reasoning, the COURTS have done that.
There is absolutely NOTHING in Article II (I have it in front of me right now) that gives the President power to ignore the Fourth Amendment.
Perhaps not, but the COURTS have consistently rule the Fourth Amendment does NOT apply, in specific circumstances.
I might point out that the AUMF that you cite as justification for your "Presidential War Powers" argument would be one of those.
You might, but you'd be wrong, as the COURTS have proven with precedents over DECADES of decisions.
Congress cannot, by law, relegate its duty and responsibility
Just as Congress, by law, cannot DENY OR ABROGATE the president's duties and responsiblities under Article II of the Constitution.
"To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer succeptible of any definition."
Bush hasn't gone around the Congress, all he's done is exercise his powers and authority under Article II of the Constitution, which has been upheld by the COURTS over DECADES of decisions.
I absolutely do have a very good idea.
Ah, I see, you're over 250 years old and were there, or-- you are able to read the minds of dead men.
None of the documents/publications you mention impact upon the Constitution, which is LEGALLY BINDING, or the decisions of the COURTS over DECADES of precedent setting opinions/decisions, which also happen to be LEGALLY BINDING.
Cynical, negative, and erroneous, you are blind to the facts.
The track record of letting the legislative branch do what the constitution originally described has always ended up accomplished. That says something.
They aren't new. I only cited the most recent cases. The list of cases supporting the interpretation of Article II go as far back as the birth of the nation itself. The Legislative brance hasn't "allowed" anything--- the Constitution has.
I long to see us be able to wage this war as it should be. It would have gone much better if we did from the start, but here we are. War is a serious undertaking, and requires national committment. The "legalization" of military tactics has undermined our efforts as much as our external opponents have, at least. In fact, Al Queda exploits our homegrown "civil opposition."
Great post, and featured, jJack!
We all know that our rights are really just priveleges, anyway; priveleges granted by the state. They can take them away whenever they want. All that "self-evident truth" stuff about men being "endowed by the ir Creator with certain inalienable rights" is just soooo pre-9/11.
I came around. You're right. We need to stop being vigilant about our irghts and liberties, and just trust policiticians, bureaucrats, and their enforcers.
Isn't that your point?
FISA laws allowed wiretaps in lieu of warrant requests for 72 hours. But that's not good enough for our wise and benevolent rulers; they need absolute unaccountability, even from courts that are sworn to secrecy.
So yeah. why the hell not. Give 'em all the power to violate our privacy, arbitrarily spy on pur phonee records, tap our phones, spy on our emails, lock us up without a warrant and no lawyers or even know the charges. That is what they are asking for, and much of that power they already have (though it is power usurped; the Constitution does not permit it). So am I paranoid?
Come on, its not like any government has ever abused powers like that before, right? Well, maybe some have, but these are American government officials we're talking about here, and American officials NEVER abuse power.
Its all good. My rights are expendable. So long as there are all-wise and super-ethical humans called politicians and bureaucrats to protect mee from evil brown people, I'll just forget that I ever had Constitutional protections.
Give me Security, or give me Death!