by flit .
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August 11, 2006

I miss GEG

October 13, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
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I'm here.... starting to get down to work on Ben essay - but while I'm doing that, if anyone feels like stopping by to chat... I do believe I am going into withdrawal! :(
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lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:22pm EDT
I KNOW I'm in withdrawal.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:24pm EDT
hi lynn! how are ya?
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:25pm EDT
Went to sleep readin Benjamin Franklin. The Most Dangerous Man in America version. I'd read an opinion about it and the writer thought it was good not best. I have been very pleasantly surprised. I have enjoyed every single page. Hate that his older brother would hit him. And wondered why he didn't just go back home to his Daddy. I'm not to a point where he has figured out he has educated himself very nicely. Pulling off his Simple Dogood character is amazing. My brother read books about Ben Franklin. Now I see why.
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:25pm EDT
I'm good. Just got up again. How are you doing? Are you working today on your paper? Hubby gone?
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:26pm EDT
yup... just got back from driving him to the store ... it's raining here so he didn't take his bike
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:27pm EDT
he seems to be getting over his pouting somewhat.... talking about rearranging the living room - moving my desk so that I can work in there again
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:28pm EDT
Am also reading "Sylvia's Lovers" by Elizabeth Gaskell. Took a few pages to really get into it, but it's turning out to be very interesting. Am having fits with it, the print is so small. Couldn't get Mary Barton at the library. All those were checked out. But this is good now that I'm into it. Am going to finish Ben Franklin first though since you're doing this paper.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:29pm EDT
a lot of the stuff written about Ben seems to be bent on proving that he was nowhere near as virtuous/honest as he claimed to be in his autobiography

was thinking to point out that in his autobiography he TOLD US that he wasn't honest
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:29pm EDT
Good. Maybe pressure just built up on him somehow as well and well, you know how it is when you're married. We do make missteps sometimes.
Yup, me too, but now I have to run around the shower then get to work. Talk w/ y'all later?
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:30pm EDT
I think so too. He never pretended at least to where I've gotten and the few articles and movies I've seen about him to be a saint. If he's known for anything, he's known for loving the ladies in Paris. He didn't hide it.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:30pm EDT
I'm around all day .... until 8 p.m. when hubby gets home
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:31pm EDT
Hi/Bye, Gabby. And that is Gather in a nutshell.
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:32pm EDT
How far have you gotten on your paper?
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:32pm EDT
biggest thing is that he's got a focus FINALLY .... he's rigging up some solar powered box that preheats hot water before it goes to the hot water tank .... encouraged him to build one for an experiment... might look at doing it as a new business
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:33pm EDT
Wow. That sounds impressive.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:33pm EDT
nowhere really LOL

did start outline in Inspiration.... but not even done that yet

and I've been going through his autobio and bookmarking all the places where he's talking about his strategies, etc ....
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:35pm EDT
He seemed pretty darned smart to me as a kid. I know adults who can't think through a plan and see it through. And the way he taught himself reading and then styles, well hey! I'm darned impressed. My dogs are barking. Better go look.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:35pm EDT
we stopped for lunch when we picked up our beef/pork order yesterday .... talking about what he really wants to DO .... told him to quit whining and START SOMETHING, basically

going to build one system for the store as a trial .... see how it goes... then possibly try to market it

seems to be all gung ho to get going now....

kicking me out of the workshop (and back into the living room where I want to be) is part of that
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:39pm EDT
So he needed a project of his own. Yes, that would make sense. I understand being the spouse of one who is going to college, since that's how I started out. It was very lonely and felt very unloved at times.
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 12:41pm EDT
Gotta go. Time to eat.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:42pm EDT
hopefully it will help anyway ....seems pretty enthusiastic about it
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:43pm EDT
ttyl ... hopefully will have some work done on Ben by the time you get back :)

maybe I'll send you outline/inspiration thingie when I get a bit further with it
Kimberly Ripley Oct 13, 2007, 12:47pm EDT
I give....what or who is GEG?
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:51pm EDT
good evening gather... the chat I usually participate in while I'm working on schoolwork in the evening
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 12:59pm EDT
and watching stOOpid movies that I have no interest in watching but that are all hubby wants to do ..... he has decided that my disinclination to sit and stare at HIS monitor of choice for 3 hours + each evening is bad.... feeling ignored

rather an interesting perspective, since I'm not allowed to disturb him by actually TALKING to him during the movie ...although I may comment during commercials while we watch Daily Planet or CSI or whatever after the movie ends....
lynn a. Oct 13, 2007, 1:06pm EDT
Flit, Just hang in there. Someone has died. I heard my husband ask when is the funeral. Durn. Didn't even finish eating yet. See you all later. Try to get your work done so we can get on the computer later this evening.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 1:09pm EDT
oh...that's never good news .... sorry
Denise B. Oct 13, 2007, 2:31pm EDT
sorry I missed everyone, I haven't been able to get on at night to chat either. ~sigh~
Hi.... jsut out wandering about... my time sheet is a mess and i wanted to whine. perhaps I will find some cheese and go from there.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 2:49pm EDT
LOL your time sheet?

I hear those are a lot easier to manage if you do them as you go
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 2:49pm EDT
like milage claims and so on

of course, not having every actually done them that way, I'm only going on rumour
Ruth MacGill Oct 13, 2007, 2:54pm EDT
I have always meant to read a biography of BF. Did he write an autobiography? An old family tale is that one of his ladies was ancestor of mine on the Flagg (maternal) side. She lived in Boston, but the story goes that she was his lover in Philly. Some of those Pilgrims were pretty audacious!
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 2:56pm EDT
he did so ..... I found it rather hilarious reading.... he promotes himself as an honest man by detailing how DIShonest/ not virtuous he is ...and pulls it off so well that tons of books and articles written afterwards are all focuses on proving him a liar
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 2:57pm EDT
oops...focused
You know I don't do chat, but I love a lot of you guys. Just stopping by to say hi before I go do some yard work.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 3:33pm EDT
do we wear clothes for yard work? LOL
Alainia~ Tha one n only~ a. Oct 13, 2007, 3:33pm EDT
Hi Flit! YOu're prob gone this late, but just thought I'd pop in! Have a good day!
Taylor ~hopes no one forgets her!~ Blue Oct 13, 2007, 4:08pm EDT
I'm here but you are probably gone by now
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 4:17pm EDT
I'm in and out..... checking back though
hello
the time sheet has some flaws that the person who created it needs to fix... so i sent her an email and suggested she fix it. gave her a couple of options don't care how she does it, just do it cause otherwise my info does not fit on one sheet. it cuts it off and goes to two sheet. whine whine whine.....
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:02pm EDT
want some cheese with that? LOL
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:02pm EDT
does it have to be on one sheet?
It split in the middle of a line and cut off some of the stuff needed for me to get paid. so I left that line blank and then put the info a line down. I don't care if it's one sheet or two or two thousand, the form stinks and it needs to be redone.
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:24pm EDT
Hey Grems and Flit!
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:25pm EDT
hi Jax

oh...that would be annoying, grems.... one does prefer to get paid rather than not!
hi ladies
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:28pm EDT
I need a real job again...

How's that paper coming? Angela's 28 pg. book has 9 pages finished so far.
I have been doing work alll afternoon on the computer and i am cranky....
what is the book about again?
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:29pm EDT
it's not really, jax..... still hasn't gelled into a strong enough thesis
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:29pm EDT
civil war alphabet, wasn't it?
that's what I thought
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:31pm EDT
I have this as a possible thesis statement:

Benjamin Franklin is perhaps the world's most honest man – and he is certainly among the best at self promotion. In The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, he effectively creates a persona of himself as both virtuous and honest – by admitting to faults and dishonesty.

but not sure that it works; that it is strong enough - and even if it is - how do I make that address the 20th century aspect of the question

John Smith and Ben Franklin were two of America's great self-promoters. Choose one of the two and discuss the image of himself that he creates and how he accomplishes this. What do these men emphasize in the characters that they promote as significant? How does their self-image compare to contemporary ideas about the "self-made man"?
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:34pm EDT
Yup....she has random letters finished...A, C, J, G, X, Y, I...and a few more.
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:34pm EDT
IT's not bad Flit.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:35pm EDT
not good either though :(
You then compare him to someone who is a current day Ben...?
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:37pm EDT
I suppose - to get "contemporary ideas about "the self-made man".... i could post an article asking people for their opinions/definitions
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:38pm EDT
I don't KNOW anything about any contemporary Ben's.....

it is very hard to find allowable sources of info re: contemporary anything
That might be a good idea
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:39pm EDT
if I just go on OPINIONS .... don't have to have the same sort of sources that I do if I start trying to find ACADEMIC info re: Al Gore /whoever
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:39pm EDT
How about Bill Gates?
What about selecting a person who is a contemporary inventor
I was thinking Bill Gates as well.
Or someone who won the nobel peace prize...
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:41pm EDT
can't use internet sources for facts.... and I am not running out and buying books now
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:41pm EDT
The other "self-made" person I can think of is Al Gore....(lol...after all, didn't he say he invented the internet?)
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:42pm EDT
that's why I said Al Gore

but if you can't use internet sources you really can't use contemporary anyone
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:43pm EDT
How contempory is contemporary? What about Ronald Regan?
cause the rules say no internet.... that stinks...
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:43pm EDT
and according to most definitions of self-made man.... you have to start from no-where and succeed. Gore did NOT start from nowhere
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:44pm EDT
it's only to be 6 pages long, too ... can't really DO all that much with 6 pages
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:44pm EDT
Edison? He did....he's 20th centurary....I have books on him...
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:46pm EDT
there is more than enough in the autobiography to just focus on that ..... think I'm just not going to worry too much about answering all aspects of the questions
lincoln?
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:47pm EDT
focus on effectively promoting self as virtuous and honest by describing lack of virtue and dishonesty
ok... I need to spend some time in another chair. numb butt..... see you later.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:47pm EDT
none of them (but Gore and Gates) are contemporary
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:47pm EDT
have a good evening....I'm only here till 8 :(
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:48pm EDT
Edison would be a good candidate then...started with nothing....admitted his faults...lack of reading ability...got kicked out of school...
Janet "Jax" B. Oct 13, 2007, 5:48pm EDT
Okay...have fun...have to type more of Angela's stuff.
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 5:52pm EDT
he is NOT CONTEMPORARY though
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 7:20pm EDT
no idea ...I'm not on after 8 p.m. any more
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 7:20pm EDT
she is around though.... posted an article today, I know
flit . Oct 13, 2007, 7:20pm EDT
maybe she was just busy last evening
Brenda (square peg in a round hole) H. Oct 13, 2007, 8:17pm EDT
Just dropping in to say hi.

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