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by Edward Nudelman
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January 17, 2006

How to Read a Poem

October 08, 2007 09:35 AM EDT (Updated: October 09, 2007 08:30 AM EDT)
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POETRY CENTRAL   Volume 4, Number 1   ~How to Read a Poem~

 

 



The poem must resist the intelligence

Almost successfully.  Illustration:

 

A brune figure in winter evening resists

Identity.  The thing he carries resists

 

The most necessitous sense.  Accept them, then,

As secondary (parts not quite perceived

 

Of the obvious whole, uncertain particles

Of the certain solid, the primary free from doubt,

 

Things floating like the first hundred flakes of snow

Out of a storm we must endure all night,

 

Out of a storm of secondary things),

A horror of thoughts that suddenly are real.

 

We must endure our thoughts all night, until

The bright obvious stands motionless in cold.

        -Man Carrying Thing, by Wallace Stevens



 



What’s different about a poem? Let’s not belabor the question in this small space. Here’s some improper answers: it uses metaphors, it’s short, it has special form, it has a recognizable rhythm or meter, and the kicker… it rhymes. 

I’m squeezing open the pages of my crackling new Best of American Poetry, 2007 and trying to discern a distinguishing poetic marker. Just when I thought I had one, I turned the page and found a stunner that had absolutely no properties close to anything on my ever changing criteria-list. Then I remembered the image I had formed from just a few lines in a poem by Jane Hirshfield, entitled Critique of Pure Reason:

 

Let reason flow like water around a stone, the stone remains.

A dog catching a tennis ball lobbed into darkness

Holds her breath silent, to keep the descent in her ears. 

 

You can reflect on that thought picture for a lifetime. Granted, it was planted neatly within the context of a powerful poem, but still, the image holds up on its own. It has to. Poetry gives you very little time to make mistakes. It’s got to grab you on an impulse and somehow find a place outside of (or at least alongside) reason and reasoning. As Wallace Stevens writes, it must resist the intelligence almost successfully. 

When you come to that three-liner in Hirshfield’s poem, or shortly thereafter, you lose a breath before comprehending the full import of how and why you lost that breath. That’s the power in the stroke, the torque in the engine of poetry. And to fully appreciate it, you have to give in to the temptation of having it all right there on your plate at that very instant: green peas, corn on the cob and a steak, medium rare. You have to be willing to sit there, reading, without any kind of a clue, but anticipating the grand possibility of somehow getting a clue. Sooner or later you just may.

To have a clue, reading very good poetry must be swallowed whole. Don’t sit there chewing away, gumming the food and trying to figure out if you like it (I’m not talking about fast food here, but fine cuisine). Most people know within seconds if they’ve got a really big fish on the line. The pole goes down and you get a tug. The response? Any self-respecting angler will exclaim in glee and start reeling away like a lunatic. 

So, I’m suggesting, when you read poetry, do just that. Read it. It’s that simple. Don’t cerebrum your way through it, asking what does this mean?  What does that imply, what is the author trying to tell me?  Oh dear, that poet must be in a very dark place… no, that poet can’t be talking about a real life experience, etc. There's plenty of time for that later. Sometimes you just have to swallow before chewing.

There are other similar pitfalls. George Szirtes, in an insightful essay in the latest issue of Poetry Magazine (October, 2007), comments on a popular confusion that ‘bedevils’ the reading of poetry:
 

…it [the confusion] involves the reading of poetry primarily in order to find out about the poet as a person in real life. This involves reading the poem as symptom or evidence. Poetry is useless as evidence. As far as I know, no poem has ever been adduced as evidence in court.


I think one begins to see this operating in an online forum. Communities that are organized around poetry on the internet abound. Folks begin to become familiar with each other and sometimes poets are being sympathized with and counseled through their poems. Further, and interestingly, authors in this milieu often morph into a symbiotic relationship with their newfound observers, and begin to write poems that are shaped by the demands and reactions of others. Perhaps this will spawn its own 21st Century variety of fascinating poetry, but for now, it lurks as a danger to creativity for both the writer and the reader. 

So what are you to do after you’ve breezed zenfully through a poem? You could ask yourself the following question (just for fun!) How do I feel? Here are some choices, circle at least one: sad, happy, perplexed, exalted, or even apathetic (a valid emotion). But don’t tell me you don’t feel anything. If that happened very often to you, I’d probably have never gotten you past the first paragraph of this essay. After all, we are talking about poetry here, not linear equations.

Some more options. You can always go back and reread the poem to see if your initial impressions are bolstered or amplified or diminished in some way. See if you learn anything new about the poem, or about yourself. See if an image fills out, a thought comes into better focus. See if you suddenly remember an incident or sound or reaction hearkening back to experience. Perhaps a thought sequence is jarred in your recollection. 

Do you like the poem? If not, no worries.  On to the dishes or a mystery novel. But if you like it, you may find yourself a little more open to understanding why you like it. That’s an interesting proposition and one that matters, I think. Maybe you’ll bookmark the poem and try to find other ones by this poet online or in a bookstore. Maybe you’ll write your own poem with a newfound perspective afforded by this poet’s work (secret: that’s how good poets write good poems!). 

After all is said and done, my guess is, you won’t be impressed by the logic of the poem or the didactic way in which it presented in linear, irrefutable arguments (admittedly, there are such poems). Szirtes, in his essay, develops a rather compelling case for jettisoning reason as a primary tool for appreciating poetry (note here, this is not advocating the expulsion of meaning in poetry, quite the oppositie). He makes the following bold assertion: 

 

[the confusion involves] the reading of poetry as articulated intention; that is to say, imagining that the poet intended to mean some specific bare thing, then sat down to dress it up in pretty, graceful, elegant forms that you could then strip away to find the naked meaning. Fancy talk.

 

He goes on to make the point that such ‘plain speech,’ if it really existed, is not of much use in poetry. “Tell me what you really mean, the plain-spoken demand,” he argues, “the poet has a broad subject, but he cannot know what line or what word will come next in his poem. The poet listens as intently as he speaks and sings.” 

This is perhaps revolutionary to some, and may elicit a knee-jerk reaction in poetry readers who do not want to abrogate meaning in text. I’m very sympathetic. Yet, I don’t think Szirtes is trying to convince us that poets don’t care about meaning! Quite the opposite. Yet, the purpose of poetry is not to convince or prove from premise on through to conclusion. We have other forms for that. I think a poem takes on a fragrance in reading, acquires its own shape and color and texture. To give it a pro forma look, bottled and ready for distribution, would be to kill the poem before it has one minute to breathe. 

Poets do care about meaning. However, speaking as a poet who tries to communicate some very discrete ideas in his poems and hopefully identify emotions and observations that convey meaning in experience, I think I can still see the importance of decrying reason as the ultimate arbiter of understanding in the reading of poetry. How many poets, after all, will fall on the sword of their own explication? Not many, I think. That is to say, if pinned down (and I have been… more times than I care to think about), they will spew you their nuggets out of one side of the mouth, then, from the other, on a different day, or in a different mood, give you quite another explanation. This is no secret. And there is no shame in it. 

Perhaps even more illuminating, however, is the observation that average run-of-the-mill spectacular poets will allow you to get away with a pretty wide band of interpretation of their vaunted metaphor and argument, if you insist on describing them in those terms.

Bottom line (and here’s where I’ll probably get chopped to pieces and spit out like a bad poem), most poets I know will be very satisfied that you are satisfied with their poems-   even if you come up with some fantastic new gem that they never had one inkling of while writing it (unless it relates to your cat). Life is short, and you write a poem, stick it out there, and hope it makes a splash somewhere. It’s not an essay and it’s not a sermon. Well, I suppose some are, but I’m not tackling that one today!

Thus, poetry is fluid, not static. Poems are water, not ice. They should be read with observation and sensitivity, realizing that they may die tomorrow, then be revived a month later by the taxi driver who reads a haiku waiting for a rider, or the professor trying to explain a bloody Shakespearean sonnet to dumbfounded students with slumping heads. Or, maybe they only live for one ephemeral blinding moment in your heart. For many, that’s enough.

 

EDN, October, 2007

 

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Comments: 173

Clifford H Colpitts Jr Oct 8, 2007, 9:52am EDT
Thanks for this wonderful informative article. I agree. There are problems with much of the denotation and connotation of the English language in writing poetry. For instance, let us consider just one preposition, the preposition "to." It has many bad connotations associated within our subconscious that would and could spoil the poem if not used properly to country the effects of past conditioning. Of course, one should keep in mind that the conditioning depends on ones environment as one matures. A good insight of this might be gained by doing a rereading of Frost's "Stopping In the Woods On A Snowy Evening," or reading my poem about George Washington's last night on Earth with his Horse.
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Corinna Parr Oct 8, 2007, 9:54am EDT
A very timely essay, Ed. This is encouraging, and reinforces a lot of what I'd felt before, without much in the way of thought. Your examples are going to send me off on a hunt, too. Thank you for sharing this.
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Donna Hammett-Tooker Oct 8, 2007, 9:54am EDT
One of the hardest things in teaching students to read poetry is to get them to look first for punctuation - that gives them an idea of where to breathe and break - I tried to dissuade them from reading a line by line monotonous rhythm and pace. I had a wonderful teacher who felt poetry so I always enjoyed her reading and learned to read for sentence sense rather than line endings as most people are likely to do.
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Kim K. Borders U.S. Oct 8, 2007, 9:55am EDT
Well, there's certainly a lot to work with here. I agree with the sense of a poem washing over one, of bridging that precious little gap between language and consciousness.

But when is the perceiver/reader separate from the cultural moment? In order to MEAN, the metaphor is derived from certain cultural signifiers that simply do not transcend history or language... I believe this is often likened to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, in which the measurer is never completely objective.

So, even if you do not recommend reading a poem and attempting to understand an author's life through that poem, neither the author or the reader are ever divorced from their own cultural moments. Therefore, while their responses to the poem may be transcendent, what brought them to that moment was a complex interplay between language and consciousness that is never separate from history or culture.

What do you think?
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 10:00am EDT
good points Kim. I agree, you're never separated from the cultural context and there is always much to learn from examining that milieu, but when one begins to use it as a strategy or a primary focus in understanding poetry (i.e. as a rule) I think you begin to lose something really brilliant in the poem. Still, I think there's much value in that pursuit which you mention
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Clifford H Colpitts Jr Oct 8, 2007, 10:00am EDT
country should be read as counter.
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Kim K. Borders U.S. Oct 8, 2007, 10:04am EDT
Edward, you're so right when you mention something being lost when that sort of reading is the primary focus... I grapple with this issue daily. In fact, when I left grad school, I had to train myself to read for pleasure. I still have trouble shaking the indoctrination... Makes me think of ee cummings O Sweet Spontaneous Earth... The same scientific "prurience" he mentions is much like the theories that have been applied to poetry.

Would that I could wipe this mental slate clean!

Thanks.
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Susan *. Oct 8, 2007, 10:04am EDT
I liked this very much Edward! fantastic!~
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Clifford H Colpitts Jr Oct 8, 2007, 10:06am EDT
Edward: you're comment reminds me of a poem written about truth and another written about games. Is it fair that my wife is playing jeperdy like games on our computer that delibertly teachers her the wrong answers. I must county this by teaching her more about mathematical physics.
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Anne B. Grote Oct 8, 2007, 10:08am EDT
I love the Hirschfield. Your article is great; very informative;precisely why I never read the comments posted by others in connection with your poems. I have always read poetry the way I listen to music. You establish an active connection with the piece. Questioning, using the senses, really listening and responding are my methods to reading a poem. Thanks, Ed!
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Faith H. Oct 8, 2007, 10:10am EDT
Thanks, Ed, for this very fine interpretation of poetry reading. If anything, it is enjoyable to me when people "read" their own story into something I've written. Then, as you said, the confounding thing when readers see something there that I had not intended, which is sometimes interesting, sometimes puzzling but nevertheless enlightening.
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Debby O. Oct 8, 2007, 10:10am EDT
Good Job!
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gautami tripathy Oct 8, 2007, 10:14am EDT
Thanks Ed. I found this very informative. Sometimes the reader sees much deeper things than what the poet intended.

I find that:

A Poetry Handbook by Mary Oliver

is very informative for that very aspect.
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Harrel (Len) Phillips Oct 8, 2007, 10:15am EDT
Huh?..........Wha..........?.....Did somebody say something?
This is way above my head but I guess it's alright. I'm not a poet, but enjoy reading poetry, most of the time. This is just too complicated for me but obviously there are many that understand it and can grasp its meaning.

Good job,........I guess? :-)
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Kimberly Ripley Oct 8, 2007, 10:15am EDT
Colorful and informative! I've never professed to know anything about poetry, and have made unsuccessful attempts at writing it from time to time, always certain I was doing it incorrectly. I may try anew with your advice and many fine links!
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Marilyn M. Oct 8, 2007, 10:15am EDT
Thanks, Edward. And...I almost always remember to read a poem aloud. It "means" differently to me when read aloud than when read silently. I think all poetry is meant to be read aloud.

To me, poetry, more than any other kind of writing, is a true work of heart. Poetry is artwork with words.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 10:20am EDT
Amy, I love what you said:

"Listen to too many conflicting voices and you soon lose your own."
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Suzette Vaughn Oct 8, 2007, 10:23am EDT
Excellent Edward.
For me. I just read. For some poems it's easy to pick apart and find the underlining meanings. Others you simply take at face value.
In my mind the reason to read anything is the emotions that it pulls from the reader and in some cases the memories that you pull with it.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 10:26am EDT
and emotions, I suppose, are just the beginning point. I'm the last person to say that it should stop there. But I can't imagine understanding poetry without an impression of how it felt. But I'm anxious to hear from those who differ. My wife, actually, would probably fall in that category, lol
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John Philipp Oct 8, 2007, 10:27am EDT
Thanks, Ed. I want to focus some on poetry and I'm going to print this out to read.
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Sherrie H. Oct 8, 2007, 10:32am EDT
Thanks for the insights.
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Bart H. Oct 8, 2007, 10:33am EDT
Mr. Nudel: Thank you for posting this. It is my license to read poetry. You raise an interesting observation, however, about the art in a public sphere such as Gather, of writing as participatory endeavor: getting comments even as one types out the message. Never in our culture has there been such an un-edited outpouring of words with instantaneous reaction, sometimes adoration, which CANNOT HELP but color the next endeavor, no?
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carolyn m. Oct 8, 2007, 10:34am EDT
thank you for the lesson i may have learned something here i give you a 10
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 10:36am EDT
exactly, Bart, and no doubt much edification is coming of the vetting on internet, but still, the jury is out on the negative effects
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John L. Oct 8, 2007, 10:40am EDT
My poetic mantra is: "it is the nature of the poet to provoke not to explain". Nice to know that the eternal inquiry into the "nature" of poetry continues. Nice article Ed and thought provoking also.
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Ruth MacGill Oct 8, 2007, 10:40am EDT
This is helpful. I like poetry but much of it I don't understand enough to make an intelligent comment.
I wrote one yesterday about a dream that woke me up. I would appreciate muchly if you would read it.
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Susan B. Oct 8, 2007, 10:44am EDT
Thanks! I'm going to have to bookmark this one and reread it to get all the juiciness out of it.
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Nan G. Oct 8, 2007, 10:52am EDT
Thank you for the article Edward.
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Stacey "Yeah, I Said It" H. Oct 8, 2007, 10:53am EDT
I'm not trying to be argumentative or confrontational, I'm truly curious, as I have never been one to read poetry, but why must one learn a "proper" way to read poetry?

Can one not just read the words and express the emotions and feelings that the reader feels versus what the author's intent was? Why does poetry require a tutorial of sorts to read, when there's no requirement to read a newspaper or magazine article, or a book. You just pick it up, read and make your own observations based on what emotions the piece has the power to invoke. I'm just a simple woman and as I've said, I'm simply curious, as this has left me throughly confused and feeling inadequate, as if I'm not qualified to read poetry.

Let the enlightening begin...
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 10:55am EDT
Stacey, I wouldn't say you MUST learn a proper way. In fact, I doubt very much that there is a proper way. But this article addresses some of the pitfalls or misconceptions that are commonly encountered in reading poetry in the WRONG way, or, perhaps more properly, in a way (in my view) that precludes a fuller understanding and appreciation of its merits.
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Stacey "Yeah, I Said It" H. Oct 8, 2007, 10:56am EDT
I forget to mention, I enjoyed the article even though I was left with some questions. There are a lot of points that can be applied to writing in general, not necessarily confined to the genre of poetry.
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Stacey "Yeah, I Said It" H. Oct 8, 2007, 11:01am EDT
Are you trying to say that this is a way for the reader to get closer to the author's original intent of the piece?
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Cheryl R. Oct 8, 2007, 11:01am EDT
Edward Nudelman, if you are not a professor at some very fine university, you should be. Your biased account of how to read a poem was certainly informative. I think you said, read the poem for what it says; don't try to read the author, try to read the thought. Did I learn the lesson?
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Michelle W. Oct 8, 2007, 11:09am EDT
Wow. That is deeper than my poor mind can handle. I usually just read the poetry and don't try to understand it.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 11:10am EDT
Not really Stacey, but perhaps a way to open up a more full encounter for the reader. Getting closer to what the author is trying to say may come out of it, but I'm saying, it shouldn't be the primary mover; at least as a rigorous, logical undertaking. I think we all like to see what an author or poet is trying to say.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 11:11am EDT
ha Cheryl R... thanks for that comment, and I'm much to smart to be a professor, lol
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Ann B. Oct 8, 2007, 11:19am EDT
Very insightful -- thanks for this.
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Ramzy S. Oct 8, 2007, 11:26am EDT
Very considerate!
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karen v. Oct 8, 2007, 11:26am EDT
"Or, maybe they only live for one ephemeral blinding moment in your heart. For many, that's enough."
Wow, Ed, that just hit me like a bolt that knocked me out of my chair! It feels so true. The article is great and reassuring to someone like me, timidly stepping out there, haltingly putting my toe in the water. You open eyes. Nice
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Jerri H. Oct 8, 2007, 11:29am EDT
Great lesson Ed...thanks :)
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Carolion Grailbear Oct 8, 2007, 11:32am EDT
I'll write an article in response...
Blessings.
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t b. Oct 8, 2007, 11:32am EDT
And your thinking is too sound for you to be a professor too!

I enjoyed this article Edward, thank you.
I have learned from reading your work.
Mostly I have learned about "flow"
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richard h. Oct 8, 2007, 11:35am EDT
Thanks Ed, very informative article. I agree we should read and not try to chisel a meaning out of every single line. The poet often is not making a thesis.
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Wade H. Oct 8, 2007, 11:40am EDT
Very good Edward. I was a professor and I often found it to my advantage to seem to be less intelligent than I (think) I am. I taught writing by the way, and you can't teach that without teaching reading. I seldom had my students write about a poem, or an other piece of literature. Rather I'd play them a piece of music (Finlandia was always good) or show them a work of art (Starry Nights usually was the first) and have them work from that.

My point, and Ithink there is one, is that it's not the one who creates but rather the one who responds that matters. (If a poem was written in a forest and no one ever read it did it ever exist?)

BTY For me the joy of a poem is surprise. As in "What a wonderful way to say that." or "So that's what it was." Emily Dickinson's works are a continuing pleasure even though at times I just have to say "OK Emily, if you say so."
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Glenn T. Oct 8, 2007, 11:41am EDT
Anticipation. A splash. Not an essay. Not a sermon. Wow, Ed, you really pierce the heart of poetry here. You help to delineate what is profitable and useful, what to visualize and what to discard. The last two paragraphs especially resonate with me. The "ephemeral blinding moment in your heart" reveals the transitory nature of much poetry. You help us to remember that the initial spark may be the most memorable trait of the act of writing. "Thus, poetry is fluid, not static." Here you so deftly underscore the amorphous, living landscape of the poem. We can hear the organic latitude of which you speak. The liquid passage of water in words, not the ice which constrains. So this dialog of "observation and sensitivity" may become timeless in poet and reader. These are grand thoughts, Ed! Amy adds the priceless quote about remaining an original. A painter's canvas awaits!
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J B. Oct 8, 2007, 11:44am EDT
Thanks for this Ed as I am trying to learn more about poetry. I am such an instinctual person that I will hear/read a piece of poetry and simply be moved by it or not. I have no talent for writing poetry so the entire process is a marvel to me.

I do hope you had the chance to read my little article about a fellow poet who read at our recent literary festival. It was an incredible, pure moment in time that I know will remain with me always.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977136167

Thanks for the insight, lessons, and as always the inspiration Ed!
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 11:48am EDT
Wade, I really resonate with your thoughts. Especially your remarks about the necessity to read before you write, or at least, as you put it, "you can't teach [writing] without reading. Everyone should memorize that aphorism
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Mary McCartt Oct 8, 2007, 12:24pm EDT
Interesting article, Ed. I believe many people are intimidated by poetry because they feel they dont read it the "right" way. While we can give guidelines to enhance appreciation of the work, I think it is up to the reader to connect with it in any way they can. You are correct about just plunging into the work and feeling the response. There is always time to explicate later. Thanks for this great article.
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elizabeth e. Oct 8, 2007, 12:25pm EDT
I liked swallowing before chewing despite my Mother's pleas!
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Otelia S. Oct 8, 2007, 12:30pm EDT
Very good lesson.
Thanks!
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 12:31pm EDT
you're a wise eater, Elizabeth
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Sunnye T. Oct 8, 2007, 12:33pm EDT
Fascinating, Edward.
Writing, and especially poetry, should be communication. The problem with to much poetry, to my mind, is that it doesn't communicate or, if it does, it communicates in ways the poet doesn't intend. I don't see how that can be considered good writing at all.

Consider a poem like Frost's Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening." It's very clear exactly what the poet is saying. The poem communicates. We can add levels of meaning if we want -- all about death, etc. But the combination of words says something. Now that's good poetry.

Words can be put together in pretty ways and be meaningless -- that kind of writing is often called poetry. Too often readers are afraid they'll look dumb if they question that kind of writing so they stroke their chins, mutter something like "hmmmm . . how . . .er. . . poetic." I think what I'm trying to say is that a good poem communicates to the reader just exactly what the poet wants to say and does so in a clear and meaningful way. If there's subtext-type meaning, it should come from the reader.
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Bonnie C. Oct 8, 2007, 12:44pm EDT
You are so awesome!Thanks!
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Donna Barr Oct 8, 2007, 12:49pm EDT
Okay, if you go to poetry readings and white-haired ladies are starting to read the ticky-tacky poetry rhythm -- you know the one, that the beat poets did in the '50's -- bring a bottle of flea killer or weed killer -- anything with a huge list of ingredients -- and read it in that rhythm. The more artsy and supercilious, the better. Some people will be offended (they know who they are) but most everybody else who has been suffering through that fakery will howl with laughter. And the fakey voices will stop.
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Sharon A. Oct 8, 2007, 12:51pm EDT
I will probably need to read this again. Great article. Thanks for sharing it.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Oct 8, 2007, 12:54pm EDT
Next time someone asks me "why isn't this just prose, in uneven lines?" I can steer them to this article.
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John Harris Beck Oct 8, 2007, 12:56pm EDT
I've only started this, and was already annoyed by not having the title of the Stevens where titles belong, so that, not knowing the poem, I was wondering if it was Nudelman stringing me along. But it's led me astray to such useful things, reminder of Keats' Negative Capability among them, that I am appeased. Still, I'll have to finish this after lunch!

The Keats, btw, is ;-]

" ...what quality went to form a Man of Achievement, especially in Literature, and which Shakespeare possessed so enormously - I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason... This pursued through volumes would perhaps take us no further than this, that with a great poet the sense of Beauty overcomes every other consideration, or rather obliterates all consideration."
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Sheila Deeth Oct 8, 2007, 1:02pm EDT
There's actually a beauty in linear equations too, and the delight of a solution that suddenly makes perfect sense can be pretty similar to the delight of falling under the spell of a poem.
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Sheila Deeth Oct 8, 2007, 1:07pm EDT
Lovely article Ed. Now I won't feel such a failure when I can't figure out the meaning but still love the poem. (Or when I write a feeling that still hasn't turned into thought.)
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Marie L. Oct 8, 2007, 1:11pm EDT
Thank you for the very helpful article -- this is something I really needed since reading poetry is not a strong point for me!
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Kim K. Borders U.S. Oct 8, 2007, 1:11pm EDT
Wade, I was happily surprised to read your quote about being..."surprised" by the way something in a poem is said. That's it! It's that feeling of connections made that you wouldn't have made alone that is most thrilling.
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M. Bradley McCauley McCauley Oct 8, 2007, 1:11pm EDT
most thought provoking. Thanks for making me think.

Mary Mc
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John Harris Beck Oct 8, 2007, 1:15pm EDT
To respond to your ultimate thesis, poets are as interested in changing the world as anyone else, but they should, if they're even a little bit good, accept that soft works as well as hard and inner as well as outer. Neither reader nor poem nor poet is a billiard ball or anything else shorn of potentialities into a stupid mechanical actuality.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 1:33pm EDT
Sunnye said:

"Consider a poem like Frost's Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening." It's very clear exactly what the poet is saying. The poem communicates. We can add levels of meaning if we want -- all about death, etc. But the combination of words says something. Now that's good poetry."

Although I completely agree with this... it's still plain that many poems have layers of complexity, and an apparent roadblock to understanding is not a a sign of bad poetry. You have only to read Wallace and Elliott and a hundred other great (but difficult) poets.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 1:36pm EDT
lol Donna: " Okay, if you go to poetry readings and white-haired ladies are starting to read the ticky-tacky poetry rhythm..." I think hair color is only a partial determinate
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 1:38pm EDT
Ha Mr. Beck, you want your cake and fork too! I think it belongs at the end, my good lad. YOu know what, I actually transcribed that from my "Complete Wallace Stevens Poems." I couldn't find it anywhere on the net. Interesting, I thought, as I think it's a stellar poem.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 1:39pm EDT
Shiela, that was actually partially my intent.. to take some of the weight off of readers' shoulders. Enjoy the poem, don't decipher it.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 1:40pm EDT
John Beck said:

"Neither reader nor poem nor poet is a billiard ball or anything else shorn of potentialities into a stupid mechanical actuality."

I wish I'd said that!
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Ron B. Oct 8, 2007, 2:01pm EDT
Ed, you and John are responsible for my desire to read and understand poetry. I've bought a few books to help and I really appreciate this article.
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Cynthia W. Oct 8, 2007, 2:06pm EDT
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
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Teresa W. Oct 8, 2007, 2:07pm EDT
Well done, thank you!
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Shaun S. Oct 8, 2007, 2:12pm EDT
Interesting points and a well thought out argument, a artist (of any sort) should promote there craft for there craft itself, not for the "splash" it will make. When people write with the context of making a big "splash" the will subconciously tend to write for what will be popularlly accepted or to make a "splash" instead of staying true to there original thought. Artists of all sorts should create for the sake of creation, they will be a lot happier and (in my humble opinnion) have better work. Coming from a readers perspective and not a writers, I find I enjoy the work poets who say whats in there heart instead of the people who are writitng to prove a point or to make a splash you can tell there writing is forced and insincere in origin.
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LaRue B. Oct 8, 2007, 2:15pm EDT
Well said. Thanks for the insight.
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Kathryn E. Oct 8, 2007, 2:21pm EDT
Wallace Stevens is an excellent example to use. This is a superior essay on poetry, the reading of it and the difficulties associated with approaching the medium of poetry.

I have bookmarked this essay.

Definitely, your most important Corps. article to date, Ed.

Now, I just have to figure out what your middle initial stands for.

Donald?
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:22pm EDT
Ron, I'm extremely flattered!
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:23pm EDT
Shaun, I agree! Saying what's in your heart is elemental. You can sort of spot poetry spam, don't you think?
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:25pm EDT
Thanks Kathryn. My middle name? Big secret. Don't even try to guess. I won't give in!
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Yvonne F. Oct 8, 2007, 2:41pm EDT
Very informative, thanks
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Barbary Chaapel Oct 8, 2007, 2:42pm EDT
Denzil? Dillon? David? Dudley? Dane? Derek? Dean? Depoet?



Another fine, fine article, Ed D., and I love the poetry you've chosen.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:49pm EDT
Amy... I wish!
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:49pm EDT
Mike, I couldn't agree more. They are like songs. Big time.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:50pm EDT
Yeah, Barbary, my middle name is Dudley. Sheeeesh, give me some credit (or my parents, I should say!)
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 2:51pm EDT
I can see this could get ugly. Stick to the text above, girls (lol)
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lynn a. Oct 8, 2007, 3:00pm EDT
I liked the different thoughts that you posited, and now I'm going to chew on them for a while. And thanks. I think it will help.
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madelyn c. Oct 8, 2007, 3:04pm EDT
wow, that was awesome!
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Granny Janny H. Oct 8, 2007, 3:05pm EDT
What is the taste of poetry
If you swallow or you bite?
I've licked a poem so fully down
I almost lost my sight

I've gobbled it in solid chunks
And nibbled it to crispy bits
I drank it in one holy gulp
Even picked it into tiny nits

When bloated into ecstasy
My gut and tongue elated
The brain reviewed the flavor there
And then the poem was rated
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Marge H. Oct 8, 2007, 3:06pm EDT
This is not only informative and helpful from a reader's point of view, but I think it is also helpful to poetry writers. I know that I was reading it from both viewpoints and I especially liked your comment that, if pinned down, a poet may give you an entirely different perception of what he wrote if asked tomorrow rather than today.
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Granny Janny H. Oct 8, 2007, 3:07pm EDT
Gosh all mighty Ed! This is the best article so far and again, I thank my lucky star that I found you on Gather!
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Granny Janny H. Oct 8, 2007, 3:09pm EDT
BTW, your selections are still blowing my mind.
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Gigi K. Oct 8, 2007, 3:10pm EDT
Whew Ed! I must say that I am breathless from this essay. I thought I got the full meaning on the first go and then went back to read it again to savor it. It is wonderful and you bring out some wonderful points and examples. I don't think I've ever read a poem to consider the writer's frame or mind or the message they might have been trying to impart. I read from an emotional level first I think, then maybe intellectual. I love how someone can form words together so beautifully to paint a picture for me. I loved the line you used from Jane Hirshfeld - with the reason flowing like water around a stone. I'm definitely bookmarking so I can read it again! I've also checked out your blog and find it most impressive and another place I go back to.
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 3:11pm EDT
Jan, that is a thoroughly wonderful poem. I love it!
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Edward Nudelman Oct 8, 2007, 3:14pm EDT
Thanks Gigi. Hirshfield's poem is unbelievable. I didn't reproduce it here in its entirety because I don't have the rights to do that. It just came out this year in Ploughshares Poetry Journal. Hirsfield is one our best contemporary poets, for my money (not that I have any!)
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Tracey W. Oct 8, 2007, 3:29pm EDT
I very much enjoyed that; it made perfect sense. I especially apprecialted the part about certain groups writing for their readers instead of themselves. I can see how that could easily happen.
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