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by Timothy V.
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September 9, 2006

More Chinese-Made Imports Recalled Due to Violation of the Lead Paint Standard

October 06, 2007 11:22 PM EDT (Updated: October 06, 2007 11:24 PM EDT)
views: 371 | rating: 9.5/10 (24 votes) | comments: 115

On October 4,2007...KB Toys announced a recall of about 10,000 wooden toys due to a violation of the lead paint standard. The toys being recalled are the Wooden Pull-Along Alphabet and Math Blocks Wagons, Wooden Pull-Along Learning Blocks Wagons, 10-in-1 Activity Learning Carts and Flip-Flop Alphabet Blocks.

                                Manufactured in China.

 

On October 4, 2007...Dollar General announced a recall of about 63,000 Frankenstein Tumblers due to a violation of the lead paint standard. The recall includes green, plastic Frankenstein head-shaped tumblers.

Manufactured in China.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On October 4, 2007...Eveready Battery Company announced a recall of about 79,000 Pirates of the Caribbean Medalion Squeeze Lights. The squeeze lights are gold in color and about 1 3/4 inches across. They are attached to a leather strap and metal clasp. For a photo, go to www.recalls.gov

Manufactured in China.

 

On October 4 , 2007 ...CKI announced a recall of about 15,000 children's decorating sets due to a violation of the lead paint standard. The recall involves These Totally Me-Funky Room decor sets.

Manufactured in China.

 

 

 

 

 On October 4, 2007..Kids II announced a recall of about 35,000 Baby Einstein Color Blocks due to a violation of the lead paint standard. The recall involves Baby Einstein Discover and Play Color Blocks with model numbers 30726 and 30881.

                                 Manufactured in China.

 

 

 

On October 4, 2007....Antioch Publishing announced a recall of about 150,000 bookmarks and journals due to a violation of the lead paint standard. The recall involves various designs of bookmarks and journals from Antioch Publishing's Signature Collection.

Manufactured in China.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 On October 4, 2007...Sports Authority announced a recall of about 11,200 aluminum water bottles due to a violation of the lead paint standard. This recall involves the Alpine Design water bottles that were sold at Sports Authority stores nationwide. The water bottles are sold in different colors and measure between 6 and 10 1/2 inches tall.

Manufactured in China.

 

If you believe that you own any of the recalled products, please log onto www.recalls.gov for more information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments: 115

Christene,. Silence is golden Duck-tape is silver! Oct 6, 2007, 11:23pm EDT
WOW!,...and with Christmas just around the corner.
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Timothy V. Oct 6, 2007, 11:25pm EDT
Christene.....yep!
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Andrea "slackermom" R. Oct 6, 2007, 11:32pm EDT
This is really getting ridiculous. How much of this crap are we supposed to put up with?
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Timothy V. Oct 6, 2007, 11:38pm EDT
Andrea..Only time will tell. In time, there will be no denying the facts.
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Timothy V. Oct 6, 2007, 11:45pm EDT
Liz......Thank you so very much. Your comments and opinions are always very much appreciated and respected!
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Lynn R. Oct 7, 2007, 1:33am EDT
You know what is SO freakin' scary about this batch? The blocks are a probable stick in your mouth and chew on it toy for a toddler. I've seen my own kids do it when they were little.

The Frankenstein Tumbler, another one that will for sure go in the mouth.

The Baby Einstein Color Blocks are a probable stick in your mouth chew toy for babies and toddlers.

AND that water bottle, too.

This makes me sick. When I did my article I saw there were more recalls but I didn't see what they were, it just said 'several' other recalls were expected that day. Can you believe this? UNBELIEVABLE!!
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Dave H. Oct 7, 2007, 1:46am EDT
Reminds me of my dad's two favorite statements..."there's no such thing as a free lunch", and "you get what you pay for"...in the case of China...we are also reaping the massive amounts of pollution they now create in uncontrolled manufacturing facilities.....comparing their EPA to ours is like comparing a horse to the Starship Enterprise! Supporting their slave labor use is also reprehensible!!! Walmart certainly has no morals, along with all other companies buying from China....We should be charging large tarriffs on their goods!!
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 2:04am EDT
I find it to be very interesting that a certain Gather member once stated that there was only one color of paint on the Chinese imports that contained lead. Did anyone note the different colors in this article?
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 2:07am EDT
These companies should not be so greedy that we cannot even produce enough products right here in our country to keep our battered economic force in business! And where are all those extra 20,000 JOBS going to materialize once our soldiers come home??? What should we do? Are any of us willing to start buying only Made in the USA again????? That's the big question!!SmileyCentral.com
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 2:10am EDT
Woke up and couldn't sleep. Would you believe I was dreaming about some of my old friends in Murray/Mayfield!!!!!!!! I am NOT joking!! Weird, huh?
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 2:12am EDT
I had a great job, but I lived a pretty rowdy life there in the Murray/Mayfield/Puryear area!! I still have a brother that lives in Palmersville, TN, over by Dresden that works as head electrical maintenance engineer at Union City at the Goodyear Tire plant.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 2:17am EDT
Deb..This area has some sort of mystical effect on people. That's why I keep coming back here and this time, I ain't leaving!
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Ron B. Oct 7, 2007, 2:17am EDT
Jeez Timothy, you'd think that having so much stuff shipped back to you would make you rethink lead based paint. It doesn't take a billion brains to figure that out.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 2:23am EDT
Ron....you'd think so, but let's just see how many more recalls of Chinese-made imports due to vilotion of the lead paint standard are announced in the future.
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 2:58am EDT
I believe it will get astronomical!! Why should they care if we get lead poisoning?? They are giving us the "cheapest" products, just like we asked for!!
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Apryl Just Apryl Oct 7, 2007, 2:59am EDT
Hey Cuzz, Thank You for the updated list. I am still sorting through my son's Thomas the train sets.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 4:00am EDT
Deb...good point.

Apryl...you still on the Thomas the Train sets cuzz? If this keeps up, you're gonna have your work cut out for you for quite some time now.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 4:44am EDT
"Did anyone note the different colors in this article?"

What I find very interesting is that you seem to think that things never change. At one point, the Mattel/Fisher Price lead-paint recalls were due to a tainted batch of yellow paint. Now there are other products and colors involved in recalls too. Wow, what a shocker.

But anyhoo....since you seem to be keeping up with all this stuff about lead paint, and since you work in a store that sells a lot of products from China, I was wondering if you know anything about these lead paint testing kits I've seen advertised lately. With some of them, you collect samples and send them to a lab, and with others you do the tests yourself. Do you know anything about them? Do they work? Does your store sell them?

Another "10" from me, Tim. Thanks for keeping us all informed about these recalls.
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 5:27am EDT
I don't know Wil, but it sure seems ridiculous in a country as "sophisticated" as we are living in would have to come to this point!!! Almost like having to test our kids Halloween candy before they eat it only this is going to last for years!
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Felix R. Oct 7, 2007, 7:39am EDT
Yep...the Chinese are trying to kill us all with lead paint. Time to dust off the Enola Gay.

(Reuters) - The world's largest toy maker, Mattel Inc, apologized on Friday for damaging China's reputation after recent massive recalls of its Chinese-made toys, admitting it targeted some goods that were actually up to scratch.

Mattel has come under scrutiny following the recall of about 21 million of the toys in a span of five weeks, many because of excessive levels of lead paint.

"Our reputation has been damaged lately by these recalls," Thomas Debrowski, Mattel's executive vice president of worldwide operations, told China's quality watchdog chief, Li Changjiang, in the Chinese capital.

"Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes personally to you, the Chinese people and all of our customers who received the toys."

Debrowski said he realized the damage that had been done to the reputation of Chinese goods, adding the company was committed to manufacturing in China and was also investing $30 million in a Barbie store in Shanghai.

"But it's important for everyone to understand that the vast majority of those products that we recalled were the result of a design flaw in Mattel's design, not through a manufacturing flaw in Chinese manufacturers."

The company added in a statement that too many toys had been recalled, although it said that was because it puts safety first.

"Mattel is committed to applying the highest standards of safety for its products. Consistent with this, Mattel's lead-related recalls were overly inclusive, including toys that may not have had lead in paint in excess of U.S. standards," it said.

"The follow-up inspections also confirmed that part of the recalled toys complied with the U.S. standards," it added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070921/ts_nm/china_safety_mattel_dc

Ah, but what the heck...let's bomb 'em, anyway!
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Felix R. Oct 7, 2007, 8:06am EDT
Oh, and always buy American products...preferably while wrapt in Old Glory.

Beef Recall Puts Top U.S. Hamburger Maker Out Of Business

Irish Sun
Saturday 6th October, 2007

The largest producer of hamburgers in the United States, and probably the world, closed its doors Friday.

Topps Meat Company announced that because of the economic impact of the second-largest beef recall in U.S. history, involving more than 21.7 million pounds of ground beef products, it is forced to close its Elizabeth plant and go out of business effective Friday.

"This is tragic for all concerned," Anthony D'Urso, Chief Operating Officer of Topps, said Friday. "In one week we have gone from the largest U.S. manufacturer of frozen hamburgers to a company that cannot overcome the economic reality of a recall this large.'

http://story.irishsun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/3a8a80d6f705f8cc/id/
288541/cs/1
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 8:42am EDT
Shhhhhhhhhhhh...Tim doesn't like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans.

It might screw up the whole "China is Evil" vibe he's got going.
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Felix R. Oct 7, 2007, 9:18am EDT
Wil,

Have you heard about those dastardly folks up in Wisconsin:

Sam's Club Recalls Cargill-Made Hamburgers in U.S.

Sat Oct 6, 11:51 AM ET

Sam's Club is pulling frozen hamburgers made by agribusiness giant Cargill Inc. from its stores shelves across the United States as Minnesota health officials investigate four cases of E. coli associated with the burgers.

In a statement dated Friday, Sam's Club owner Wal-Mart Stores Inc said the warehouse club is removing the American Chef's Selection Angus Beef patties from U.S. locations and giving refunds to customers who already purchased the burgers.

All four cases of E. coli being investigated occurred in children, the Minnesota Department of Health said in a statement. The cases are associated with eating ground beef patties purchased from Sam's Club stores in late August and September.

Sam's Club customers should return or destroy any American Chef's Selection Angus Beef purchased from Sam's Club since August 26, the department of health said.

Cargill said the hamburgers were manufactured at its plant in Butler, Wisconsin.

Symptoms of E. coli 0157:H7 illness -- the strain associated with the recall -- include potentially severe stomach cramps and diarrhea.

The recall comes in the wake of another beef-related health scare. Last month Topps Meat Co LLC recalled 21.7 million pounds of beef linked to 30 cases of E. coli-related illness. On Friday, Topps said the recall forced it out of business.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071006/us_nm/samsclub_recall_
dc&printer=1;_ylt=Am_K4imxUCCv.BnJqoKHqhsXIr0F

Well, time to put away the barbecue grill!
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Apryl Just Apryl Oct 7, 2007, 9:27am EDT
The worst part is taking the toys from my son. He doesn't understand why I have to take them. Susan, told me about a paint you can get at home depot that acts as a sealant to protect from the lead levels. I still need to talk to hubby about that. Apparently her son is also a big collector of those trains. Now I am off to find out where lionel trains are manufactured. I think it's time to start collectiong a different brand. If you know I would love to know. Thanks Cuzz!
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Felix R. Oct 7, 2007, 9:39am EDT
Apryl,

American-Made Toys

Roy Toy
Log cabin and other wood structure construction toys, made in Maine.

Stack and Stick
Wood construction sets with unique details, made in U.S.

Vermont Teddy Bear
You can even take an online or in-person tour of this famous teddy bear factory.

K'NEX
K'NEX construction set pieces are primarily manufactured at their Pennsylvania factory. Read their safety statement on other toy components.

Step Two
Most of Step Two's large play products are U.S. made. Read their safety standards for components produced in China.

Camden Rose
We especially love the beautiful wood toy kitchen. Handmade in USA

Elves and Angels
Handcrafted pretend-play kitchens and accessories, made in Maine.

Green Toys
Bioplastic toys made in the U.S. include gardening, cookware, and tea sets.

Lauri Toys
Lauri's foam puzzles tend to be for younger children. 95% of its products are wholly made in the U.S.

Play Clay Factory
Non-toxic scented play clay made in the U.S.

ZomeTools
A very creative construction toy, made in the U.S.

Taurus Toy Block-n-Roll System
A U.S. made block and marble construction set that is compatible with Lego/Duplo and MegaBlocs.

Dado Cubes
Unique new construction toy for younger children, made in U.S. by Fat Brain Toys.

European-Made Toys

Corolle Dolls
Corolle products meet or exceed all mandatory and voluntary U.S. safety standards.

Ravensburger
Child development experts have long recommended the high-quality Ravensburger products, which include sturdy puzzles, games, and craft kits.

HABA
The German toy manufacturer has kept its creative quality spirit through the years. For example, check out the beautiful porcelain toy tableware set, mail and doctor play sets.

Playmobil
Playmobil extensively tests the raw materials, such as the paint, used to produce their toys. See the company's safety-testing statement.

Spielstabil
PVC-free plastic toys that are CE rated, microwave and food safe. See the products on the web site, then find at retail stores.

Toy Retailers

Turner Toys
An online toy retailer where safety standards and testing are discussed in detail. Turner Toys lists the country of origin of their toys, does not carry toys with PVC, and lead tests all the products they offer.

Oompa Toys
This online toy store carries primarily European toys, and they are expanding their toy detail pages to include information on toy safety certification for each product.

Moolka Toy Shop
An online retailer for European-made toys.

Maukilo Toy Store
Another good online source for high-quality European toys.

Safety-Certified Toys

Plan Toys
Role-play toys such as kitchens and dollhouses are featured by this Thailand-based toy manufacturer. Plan Toys has a strong safety commitment as evidence by their CE rating and ASTM safety compliance.

Stay away from them hamburgers, though!
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 9:48am EDT
I think some of it all comes down to greed. My best friend right there in Murray lost her job at Mattel when they closed up to do their manufacturing out of the country to "save some money" There went several hundred "American" jobs!
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Susan *. Oct 7, 2007, 10:46am EDT
I wonder how many toys in the attic are actually unsafe? great article!

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Apryl Just Apryl Oct 7, 2007, 11:28am EDT
Felix, Thank You So much. I am copying and pasting your comment and saving this. I published a list of toy companies but you have named many I was unaware of, Thank You again!
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Bundy P Oct 7, 2007, 12:24pm EDT
Ugh!
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Lynn R. Oct 7, 2007, 12:28pm EDT
Felix, if you want to take the time, make your comment into an article of the TOYS made here and post it to my BUY AMERICAN group.

Mattel should take full responsibility for their product line. I don't think they should have to apologize to the Chinese for ruining their reputation. If anything the Chinese should be apologizing for sending inferior products to us. There are guide lines to follow and I don't believe that LEAD PAINT would be part of those guide lines.

Susan * if your toys in the attic are made before I believe the 60's there may be a problem. Once they found out it was harmful they stopped using it on toys and in dishes. So, even check your old Fiesta Plates. Some are actually NOT safe to eat on even though our parents and we as children ate from them. You just have to be aware of potential danger.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 12:57pm EDT
Wil....your comments are laughable at best. Great job of hijacking the thread again.

Felix...This article isn't about tainted beef. Perhaps you should write an article about that?
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 2:16pm EDT
"What I find very interesting is that you seem to think that things never change. At one point, the Mattel/Fisher Price lead-paint recalls were due to a tainted batch of yellow paint. Now there are other products and colors involved in recalls too. Wow, what a shocker."

And your point is?

"Shhhhhhhhhhhh...Tim doesn't like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans. "

Are you trying to say that American companies are trying to kill Americans? Or is this just another lame attempt at detracting people from the violations of the lead paint standard?

" It might screw up the whole "China is Evil" vibe he's got going "

I'm not tying to get a " China is Evil " vibe going on, but that's obviously what you want people to think...and it's not working.
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lea and... c. Oct 7, 2007, 2:41pm EDT
It would be better if lead paint was out-lawed in the world together with few other products we have no need for.
Just the shipping of products to this country consumes an enormous amount of energy.
If people stop buying imported than we will have money for made in USA.
I would rather buy less stuff of good quality made here then imported.
Our children do not need as many toys they now get to develop. Actually the contrary is true.
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Bob M. Oct 7, 2007, 2:54pm EDT
Tim, I'm glad your break is over. Otherwise how would most of us know about the tainted products coming into this country. Does anyone ever wonder what happened to all of the lead paint that was taken off the shelves and made illegal to use in the U.S. a few years back? Ten when Win Tim, glad you're back.
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Natalie Neal Whitefield Oct 7, 2007, 3:00pm EDT
China IS evil. Russia promised to bury us, but China is actually doing it. If we don't stop buying this foreign garbage and start buying American-made products, soon we will have no choice of what to buy. We've already destroyed most home-grown industries in the USA due to our own short-sighted trade policies. Why do you want cheap toys? Cheap clothes that turn to rags on your back? Cheap shoes that don't even fit your feet? Inferior tools that don't do the job? Why don't you want safe toys for your kids? High-quality clothes. Attractive, comfortable shoes. Tools that last a lifetime. That's what we all used to enjoy when we bought American-made products. Now, it's almost impossible to find quality goods no matter how much money we are willing to pay.
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Leila G. Oct 7, 2007, 3:04pm EDT
Just chiming in quickly to say to Wil that my neighbor has been using the lead testing kits and they do work, maybe a little too well. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss. Turns out most of my daughter's disney princess bags and toys have lead paint on them and all are made in china of course, but so is more than 75% of the toys in my house - I checked two weeks ago after my son's birthday brought in a whole new batch of toys. Let's face it, we can't protect our children from everything, but I'll certainly keep trying - it's the mommy in me that can't help it.
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Richard Frisbie Oct 7, 2007, 3:12pm EDT
The list of recalls grows. Will it never end? I'd never buy prepackaged or pre-made hamburgers - I buy ground meat from the butcher or grind it myself. But imported seafood makes me nervous now - much of that comes from China too. And I know American garlic growers say they can't compete with Chinese garlic.
But since China owns America now, I guess it is patriotic to buy Chinese.
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Connie C. Oct 7, 2007, 3:34pm EDT
Makes one wonder what China is thinking????
HMMMM?????????
Or do we really know???
They sure do not have our safety and best interest at heart.
Wonder when our government will wake up and do something about this instead of just recalling the items. Lets not have them shipped to the US to start with!
That would keep our children safer as well as give our own people employment. Looks like a Win Win situation to me.
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 4:00pm EDT
You go Connie!
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 5:16pm EDT
Hybrivet Systems, Inc. Sells lead testing kits. Their website is http://www.leadcheck.com/lead-summary.shtml

You can also call them at 1-800-262-5323.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 6:07pm EDT
" Just chiming in quickly to say to Wil that my neighbor has been using the lead testing kits and they do work, maybe a little too well. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss."

Thanks for the info, Leticia.

" You know what is SO freakin' scary about this batch? The blocks are a probable stick in your mouth and chew on it toy for a toddler."

And the meat is a definite stick in your mouth and chew on it thing for kids and adults alike. How freakin' scary is that?
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 6:31pm EDT
" And the meat is a definite stick in your mouth and chew on it thing for kids and adults alike. How freakin' scary is that? "

Here again is evidence of Wil attempting to draw attention away from the recent recalls of Chinese-made imports due to a vilation of the lead paint standard. He's simply here to run interference..and he's not all that good at it really.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 6:46pm EDT
If anyone reading this article is interested in seeing what Wil is call about, check out his comment below.

" But I'm not a communist. I don't have anything in particular against communists, but it's not my cup of tea. All the stuff equality ans social justice and nobody going hungry, ect sounds good to me, but the reality doesn't work out that well. Maybe I'd go for communism more if I got to be the one in charge of dividing everything up "

Take your time reading it though. It's pretty twisted up, however the last sentence pretty much tells the story.
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Adele G. Oct 7, 2007, 6:59pm EDT
Hey, isn't Bush and his free trade agreements wonderful!
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 7:02pm EDT
Adele...LOL!
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 7:08pm EDT
Here's another one for you, Tim. Maybe I'd go for a monarchy more if I got to be the king.

And another one. Maybe I'd go for completely unfettered free-market capitalism more if I were a zillionaire.
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Bob M. Oct 7, 2007, 7:24pm EDT
Maybe you could try going for Americanism, since you claim you're an American.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 7:26pm EDT
" Here's another one for you, Tim. Maybe I'd go for a monarchy more if I got to be the king."

Lame, but funny.

" And another one. Maybe I'd go for completely unfettered free-market capitalism more if I were a zillionaire. "

Wil...you've missed your calling in life.
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 7:31pm EDT
Meat ~ I chose to buy and eat. A toy is not chosen by a child to be bought for (him/her) therefore has no say in the matter. That is like sabotage!! That is a crime against the "CHILDREN"!!!!! They are the innocents!
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 7:34pm EDT
" Maybe you could try going for Americanism, since you claim you're an American. "

Bob...Wil just might go for that if he got to be the President of " The United Socialist Republic of North America " *chuckle*
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 7:38pm EDT
" Meat ~ I chose to buy and eat. A toy is not chosen by a child to be bought for (him/her) therefore has no say in the matter. That is like sabotage!! That is a crime against the "CHILDREN"!!!!! They are the innocents! "

Deb...Don't expect Wil to understand any of that. He has a problem with reading comprehension. * grin *
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 7:56pm EDT
"That is a crime against the "CHILDREN"!"

So who's the criminal responsible? The people who created the lead-based paint (not illegal in many applications, for example military and industrial), or the people who faked the paperwork so they could sell it to be used for things that are illegal?

The manufacturers who didn't double-check to make sure the paint didn't have too much lead? The toy companies that imported the toys, the retailers who sold them, or the consumers who bought them? Or how about the parents that let their kids play with them.

I agree that the children are the innocents. Are any of the rest of us? Or do we all share part of the responsibility for these potentially-dangerous products ending up in our homes?
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 8:14pm EDT
" Or do we all share part of the responsibility for these potentially-dangerous products ending up in our homes? "

Deb....What Wil is trying to say here is that parents are neglecting their children when they don't test the toys that they buy for their children for lead in the paint.

Shame on all of you parents according to Wil.

Deb..don't buy into this. This is just another lame attempt on Wil's behalf to detract you from the issue of this article by attempting to make you, and all parents, feel guilty.
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 8:23pm EDT
Like I said way back....it all comes down to greed!! In a court of law someone always has to take the blame. Is it my fault as a parent Wil????? My daughter loves her little Polly Pockets, but I should tell her to never, ever chew on it because a factory that used to sit right here in America decided it would be "cheaper" to have it done with cheap labor in another country!! Ooooops..unemployment for another 500 Americans!
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 8:24pm EDT
"So who's the criminal responsible? The people who created the lead-based paint (not illegal in many applications, for example military and industrial), or the people who faked the paperwork so they could sell it to be used for things that are illegal? "

Wil...Toys aren't illegal, and the military doesn't use Frankenstein tumblers nor children's decorating sets. Surely you aren't that stupid! * smirk*
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 8:29pm EDT
Well, I gotta go get my daughter off to bed so we can see when she wakes up in the morning which one of her toys will be recalled tomorrow.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 8:29pm EDT
NEWS FLASH....The U.S. Army has now chosen " Polly Pockets " as their weapon of choice! ROFLMAO !!
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 8:36pm EDT
"What Wil is trying to say here"

Wil isn't trying to say anything, Tim. Wil said. If I'd wanted to say that parents are neglecting their children when they don't test the toys they buy them, I would've.

If we're going to play stupid games where we post what we want people to believe other people are trying to say, then I think I'll go with something like this.

Deb....what Tim is trying to say is that he doesn't care how many little kids get sick or die from lead poisoning, or how many people are hurt or killed by other unsafe products as long as those products are Made in the USA.

What Tim is trying to say is that when the products come from China it means that China is evil and that Chinese workers are deliberately trying to kill Americans, but that when the products come from the USA it means that we should at least be thankful that somebody's still providing Americans with jobs. Oh, unless they're hiring illegals, in which case they should get rid of them and hire real Americans to make their dangerous products.

I'm sure we could do this stuff all day, Tim. But honestly, what would be the point?
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 8:36pm EDT
Deb..there will be more. Keep checking in for more updates. Bless your daughter's little heart. Like you said, the children are the most innocent.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 8:45pm EDT
"Wil...Toys aren't illegal"

Thanks for pointing out that I didn't word that very well, Tim. What I was trying to say is that lead paint isn't illegal for some things (like military and industrial use), but it is illegal for others (like house paint and toys), and that some people were faking the paperwork so that they could sell the lead-based paint to be used in ways where itwas illegal.

Personally, I think a big chunk of the blame goes to those people. But at the end of the day, I think everybody involved bears some of the responsibility. And I think that's been acknowledged by a lot of people throughout the various discussions we've had about these issues.
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 8:48pm EDT
Goodnight for tonight everyone! BTW, do you even have children Will? Since you seem to be so involved in this discussion???? Do you have your lead tester yet also?
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 8:55pm EDT
" I'm sure we could do this stuff all day, Tim. But honestly, what would be the point? "

Wil..Since you are obviously stalking me, and you pounce on me everytime I post one of these articles, perhaps you can answer that question?

It's obvious that you have a hard on for me. If you're gay, that's your personal choice. I really hate to burst your bubble, but I'm into chicks. Robin Williams clones don't do it for me.

If you're into guys, there are plenty of gay guys right here on Gather who you could be stalking.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 8:58pm EDT
" Like I said way back....it all comes down to greed!! In a court of law someone always has to take the blame. Is it my fault as a parent Wil????? My daughter loves her little Polly Pockets, but I should tell her to never, ever chew on it because a factory that used to sit right here in America decided it would be "cheaper" to have it done with cheap labor in another country!! Ooooops..unemployment for another 500 Americans!"

What difference does it make where the thing was made, Deb? Is a lead-tainted toy that's made in America any better than a lead-tainted toy that's made in China?

If by "greed" you mean the desire to make more money and to get more stuff by spending less money, then I think there's plenty of that to go around too. Don't you?
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Deb J. Oct 7, 2007, 9:03pm EDT
Wil, you should be my Dad's twin! With him you never got the last word. Not a very good way to make friends! And if you want to debate why don't you go on over to MYSpace and try blasting some of them! Bet they outdo you by a long shot!!
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 9:07pm EDT
" What difference does it make where the thing was made, Deb? Is a lead-tainted toy that's made in America any better than a lead-tainted toy that's made in China? "

Let's see here, 7 recalls of Chinese made imports announced in one day due to violations of the lead paint standard. This fact is what Wil is attempting to distract everybody from.

Like I said above, Wil is running interference. and considering all of the other people's comments on this article, it's obvious that he isn't doing a very good job.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 9:12pm EDT
"Wil..Since you are obviously stalking me, and you pounce on me everytime I post one of these articles, perhaps you can answer that question?"

Sure, I can answer that question. There really isn't any point. Which is why I think it makes more sense to just accept what people say as what they mean to say. And to accept that the most likely reason why people tend to leave comments in a bunch of different discussions all on the same or related subjects, it's because they have an interest in that subject. And that the most likely reason (apart from having interests in the same topics) that the same people tend to comment in the same discussions is because of the subscription/connection system here at Gather.

Seems logical to me, but maybe you prefer your paranoid fantasies instead.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 9:28pm EDT
"This fact is what Wil is attempting to distract everybody from."

And how is Wil doing that? Go back to my first comment in this discussion...I addressed the point you raised about my statement (in another discussion) that the only tainted color was yellow. And I asked about the lead-testing kits because I thought you might know something about them.

I asked about the lead-testing kits not to distract from the subject of toys being recalled for violations of the lead paint standard but to find out if there was something we as consumers can do to protect ourselves. I think if parents are worried, it might be a good idea if they could find out whether their kids' toys are safe without having to wait and see if they're recalled or not.

I don't why you think asking about lead-testing kits is an attempt to distract from the fact that a lot of toys have been recalled for violations of the lead paint standards, but if that's how you see it, that's your choice.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 9:30pm EDT
" Sure, I can answer that question. There really isn't any point. Which is why I think it makes more sense to just accept what people say as what they mean to say."

Ugh..what?

"And to accept that the most likely reason why people tend to leave comments in a bunch of different discussions all on the same or related subjects, it's because they have an interest in that subject"

Wil..have you been hitting the crack pipe tonight? Are you saying the you aren't interested in music? Poetry? Sports? Food? Photography? Scenery? Personal Essays? and the many other subjects that are written about here on Gather?

Your posts speak for themselves. All one has to do is follow your comments in order to see what you're all about.
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 9:37pm EDT
" Shhhhhhhhhhhh...Tim doesn't like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans. "

"It might screw up the whole "China is Evil" vibe "

Wil....This is where you first hijacked this thread as well as putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. * smirk*
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 9:47pm EDT
"This is where you first hijacked this thread as well as putting words into my mouth that I didn't say."

Since I posted that in response to somebody else's comment, I don't know why you're accusing me of hijacking your thread.

If I misrepresented your opinions by putting words in your mouth, I apologize. Does that mean you do like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans?
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 10:01pm EDT
" Does that mean you do like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans? "

I don't recall anyone except you making such a statement, nor did I ever say that the Chinese are trying to kill Americans. I'm not fond of anybody killing anybody really.


" Shhhhhhhhhhhh...Tim doesn't like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans. "

"It might screw up the whole "China is Evil" vibe "

Since you mentioned my name in that comment, do you really expect me to believe that you posted that comment in resonse to someone else's comment? * chuckle *
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Timothy V. Oct 7, 2007, 10:08pm EDT
" And the meat is a definite stick in your mouth and chew on it thing for kids and adults alike. How freakin' scary is that? "

And this wasn't another attempt to hijack this thread and distract people from the subject at hand? * grin *
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Lynn R. Oct 7, 2007, 11:05pm EDT
Wil, again, congratulations on the new baby coming soon. How concerned are you going to be when purchasing it's first bottle, rattle, building blocks, or pacifier? Of course you will be concerned. What kind of a father would you be if you weren't?

My question to you, are you just going to go out and purchase something for the baby because it's cute and you like it, not caring that it's from China or are you going to take a second look at it and feel a little concerned if it says Made In China?
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 11:43pm EDT
"nor did I ever say that the Chinese are trying to kill Americans. I'm not fond of anybody killing anybody really."

I apologize, Tim. I thought you'd said that all these tainted products was evidence that the Chinese were trying to kill Americans. I'm glad to hear that you didn't say that. I'm not fond of anybody killing anybody, either.

"Since you mentioned my name in that comment, do you really expect me to believe that you posted that comment in resonse to someone else's comment? * chuckle *"

It was a response to Felix's comment. Does that mean if you (I mean you personally) mention somebody's name when you comment, you're really talking to them?

"And this wasn't another attempt to hijack this thread and distract people from the subject at hand?"

I'm not the one who first mentioned the meat or sticking things in your mouth and chewing on them. Yet I'm the one you're accusing of trying to hijack your thread and distract people from the subject at hand? LMAO!
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Wil B. Oct 8, 2007, 12:22am EDT
"My question to you, are you just going to go out and purchase something for the baby because it's cute and you like it, not caring that it's from China or are you going to take a second look at it and feel a little concerned if it says Made In China?"

Thanks, Lynn.

To be perfectly honest, I'm really not going to be all that concerned. Sure, it'll be in the back of my mind, but I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over it. I keep up with the recalls, and I try to take care when making purchasing decisions. But if I worried about everything that could be dangerous (not just to the baby, but in general), I'd worry myself into an early grave.

And in any case, I'm not going to worry more just because something's made in China. Our house, like most peoples', is loaded with stuff from China. When my kids visit their friends' houses, they're loaded with stuff from China, too. I'm sure the school has plenty of Chinese-made stuff, too. This is the reality of our lives. I don't think it's anything to panic over. So I won't.
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Carolyn G. Oct 8, 2007, 12:43am EDT
The funny thing is Wil, I don't blame the Chinese. They are who and what they are and Mattel and the others knew that when they decided to go there looking for cheap labor and a deeper bottom line. I blame the U.S. toymakers for not testing every fraggin' batch of what they bought before it ever leaves their warehouses. It is the Americans who didn't set the bar high enough and didn't demand accountability from day one.

I don't for a second believe that if the Chinese manufacturers knew that every batch of toys would be tested for lead or other things before being accepted and PAID FOR that you would see any such problems except for an occasional genuine mistake. Remember, the Europeans set the bar a lot higher and as a result they have much less of this kind of blatant intentional shaving of the rules.

My understanding is that Mattel and others trusted the guy doing the manufacturing to do the testing then certify the safety. Yeah right. And the Fox is fully competent to guard the henhouse. Sheesh.
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Timothy V. Oct 8, 2007, 12:47am EDT
"I'm not the one who first mentioned the meat or sticking things in your mouth and chewing on them. Yet I'm the one you're accusing of trying to hijack your thread and distract people from the subject at hand? LMAO"

Of course you wern't the first to mention meat and sticking things in your mouth, however you were the first to make the comment below...

" And the meat is a definite stick in your mouth and chew on it thing for kids and adults alike. How freakin' scary is that? "

Wil.....Are you denying the fact that you were trying to draw attention to the recent meat recalls in an attempt to distract people from the recent recalls of Chinese imports due to violations of the lead paint standard?

You are one who expects people to back up their posts with facts. In this article, I did just such. However that isn't good enough for you, and you don't like the facts, so in response, you attempt to jack the thread and turn it in a direction that favors your opinion,which is in direct opposition to the facts stated in this article.

Wil...You're a funny guy! * chuckle*
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Felix R. Oct 8, 2007, 12:55am EDT
'Felix...This article isn't about tainted beef. Perhaps you should write an article about that?'

Children don't eat hamburgers? Or is it alright to put out harmful stuff if it's made in the U.S.A.?

Feel free to delete my comments.
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Dan B. Oct 8, 2007, 1:00am EDT
Cannot deny, BUT"!" I had to struggle desperately with a few friends to get acros to public awareness some dangers of our own doing. To mention only a couple of a great many. the common practice of lead soldering in plumbing, an inexcusable negligence until the eighties or so for getting into common public awareness. Also, the dangers of unnecessary trigl;yceride and transfat and lard animal grese, needing more public awareness. Many years of very large personal effort and embattlement has had some success, but the war is still on. For example, all hydrogenated processed foods are better left unconsumed. The sinle bond carbon fats take away much more from a person than they give. One example of this is nonhydrogenated Smuckers Peanut Butter to be superior over the many hydrogenated ones. While a hydrogenated protein souce may be better than starvation, it is very inferior and damaging. All of my neutritional and health maintenance statements are educational purpose and investigative op-ed jouralism. Thank You!! PS< it has not been that many years since we quit using a lead ceramic exterior and content in cups and plates.
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Wil B. Oct 8, 2007, 1:12am EDT
"Wil.....Are you denying the fact that you were trying to draw attention to the recent meat recalls in an attempt to distract people from the recent recalls of Chinese imports due to violations of the lead paint standard?"

The fact is that I was responding to a comment made by Lynn R. and in doing so I made reference to the meat recalls introduced into the discussion by Felix. The fact is that I don't believe talking about tainted meat distracts from talking about tainted toys. I think (at least I hope) that people are perfectly capable of being concerned about both. Don't you think so, too? Or are you somehow hoping you can get people so fired up about the tainted toys from China that they'll be too distracted to worry about the tainted meat from New Jersey?
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Elsie Duggan Oct 8, 2007, 4:44am EDT
Do you think this will ever end, saw all of these items up on ABC news last night, disgraceful I think.
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Deb J. Oct 8, 2007, 9:39am EDT
Good morning Tim! Hope you have a great day there in Murray. I just talked to a couple different friends from there over the last week. Actually my brother only lives about 25 mi. from there.
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vickey w Oct 8, 2007, 11:58am EDT
I dont think there will be an end to how many toys, they actually contaminated with the lead paint. I am wondering how long this has been going on? I think this may be a way of getting rid of the USA. I wonder if this could be considered a terror plot? Think about it, what better way, than to hurt our children.
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Timothy V. Oct 8, 2007, 11:59am EDT
"Children don't eat hamburgers? Or is it alright to put out harmful stuff if it's made in the U.S.A.? "

Felix...did I say that?

"The fact is that I don't believe talking about tainted meat distracts from talking about tainted toys."

Wil...You and Felix should get together and write an article about that.

" Or are you somehow hoping you can get people so fired up about the tainted toys from China that they'll be too distracted to worry about the tainted meat from New Jersey? "

Another attempt to make me look like the bad guy and a lame one at that. * smirk*
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Timothy V. Oct 8, 2007, 12:01pm EDT
Deb....Good morning!

Elsie...Thanks for stopping by sweetheart!
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Wil B. Oct 8, 2007, 11:57pm EDT
"Another attempt to make me look like the bad guy"

You think accusing somebody of talking about one thing to distract people from another thing is an attempt to make that person look like a bad guy? Is that what you were trying to do when you said:

"Are you denying the fact that you were trying to draw attention to the recent meat recalls in an attempt to distract people from the recent recalls of Chinese imports due to violations of the lead paint standard?"

You were trying to make me look like a bad guy?

I think talking about potentially-dangerous products, regardless of what they are or where they come from, is important. I didn't raise the issue of the tainted meat in your thread, but I think it's cool that Felix did. If the purpose of your articles is to raise awareness of potentially-dangerous products, and not just to engage in a bit of China-bashing, then I don't see why you think what he posted was some sort of evil attempt to derail your discussion.

If you want to talk about the latest recalled lead-tainted products from China, then go for it! I don't know about anybody else around here, but there are plenty of things related to your topic that I'm interested in discussing. I don't know how "on topic" you consider them, since I get the feeling the only thing you consider "on topic" are comments about how we should demand that everything sold in America be made in America.
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Timothy V. Oct 9, 2007, 12:23am EDT
" I didn't raise the issue of the tainted meat in your thread, but I think it's cool that Felix did. If the purpose of your articles is to raise awareness of potentially-dangerous products, and not just to engage in a bit of China-bashing, then I don't see why you think what he posted was some sort of evil attempt to derail your discussion. "

Wil..It wasn't an EVIL attempt to derail the conversation, however it was an attempt to derail the conversation, just as several of your comments were. Tainted meat and products violating the lead paint standard are tow different issues.

I stated facts in this article. There were seven recalls of Chinese- made products due to violation of the lead paint standard on October 7,2007. That's a fact that can't be denyed. If you want to shoot the messenger, I'd suggest that you go over to www.recalls.com and send them an e-mail. But then again, your opinions probably won't be voiced pubicly there, so instead you decide to go after me here on Gather where you can further your opinions and propaganda. Nice try, but it ain't working.
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Timothy V. Oct 9, 2007, 1:13am EDT
" You think accusing somebody of talking about one thing to distract people from another thing is an attempt to make that person look like a bad guy? Is that what you were trying to do when you said "

What? Using your own comments against yourself? ROFLMAO!!!

" Or are you somehow hoping you can get people so fired up about the tainted toys from China that they'll be too distracted to worry about the tainted meat from New Jersey? "

Wil...Grasping for straws? Or tying to pull something out of your ass? I stated facts in my article, and it's obvious that you are uncomfortable with those facts. * grin *


" The fact is that I don't believe talking about tainted meat distracts from talking about tainted toys. "

Two seperate issues there dumbass.



" And in any case, I'm not going to worry more just because something's made in China. "

So why did you ask me about the lead testing kits? Boy this is getting good! ROFLMAO !!!





" Does that mean you do like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans? "

I challenge you to prove where I painted such a picture. * smirk *


" And the meat is a definite stick in your mouth and chew on it thing for kids and adults alike. How freakin' scary is that? "

Just what did that comment have to do with vilolations of the lead paint standard?

" Shhhhhhhhhhhh...Tim doesn't like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans. "

I wonder how many times that I'm going to have to copy that comment? * chuckle *
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Wil B. Oct 9, 2007, 1:59am EDT
"I stated facts in my article, and it's obvious that you are uncomfortable with those facts. "

I'm not uncomfortable with those facts, nor have I disputed any of those facts. You might remember that I thanked you for keeping us all informed about the lead-paint recalls.

"Two seperate issues there"

To you, maybe. Not to me. But even if they were, I don't see how talking about one stops or distracts anybody from talking about the other.

"So why did you ask me about the lead testing kits?"

Because people have commented in this and in some of your other threads saying they were scared or worried. I hadn't heard of these lead-testing kits before, and I don't know much of anything about them. I do know that there are some sick, pathetic assholes out there that love to take advantage of people in times like this (remember the fake antrax testing kits back in 2001) so I thought I'd ask about them.

"I challenge you to prove where I painted such a picture."

I challenge you to answer the freaking question, LOL!

"Just what did that comment have to do with vilolations of the lead paint standard?"
I think a kid (or anybody else) eating crap-tainted meat is much scarier than a kid possibly putting a toy in their mouth that contains paint that violates the lead paint standard.

"I wonder how many times that I'm going to have to copy that comment?"

You may choose to post that comment as many times as you like. I've already said that I'm sorry if I misrepresented your opinions by putting words in your mouth. I've also asked you to clarify just what your opinion is. If you do like it when people talk about American companies trying to kill Americans, then it's clear that I was wrong and that I owe you an apology.

"I stated facts in this article. There were seven recalls of Chinese- made products due to violation of the lead paint standard on October 7,2007. That's a fact that can't be denyed."

I haven't said you didn't state facts in your article, and I haven't in any way tried to deny those facts. I'm more than happy to acknowledge that your facts are spot-on, Tim. As best I can remember, with regard to the info you've posted about recalls of products manufactured in China, I've never questioned your facts or questioned the validity of your source (recalls.gov) in any way.

If you want to talk about how I'm derailing your thread by talking about things other than products recalled due to violations of lead paint standards, that's fine with me. If you want get back on topic, that's fine with me, too. I'm here either way.
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Wil B. Oct 9, 2007, 2:20am EDT
What the hell, Tim. I'll do my bit to post something that's on topic (or at least what I think is "on topic").

I noticed that a lot of the products you listed were manufactured for particular retailers -- Dollar General, KB Toys, Target, ToysRUs, etc. Since you're involved in the retail industry, you probably know more about this than I do. Do you these sorts of recalls are significantly different from the others, where there was a separation between the manufacturers and the retailers?

Also, if you're interested in sharing, I'd be very interested to hear more of your experiences "on the front lines" so-to-speak. I remember you saying that a lot of your customers were checking toys and putting them back on the shelf when they saw that they were made in China. Is that happening with other types of products? Based on what you see happening there in your store, do you think consumers are more careful about what they buy, and do you think their level of concern is continuing to increase?

If you think these sorts of questions are off-topic, or if you just don't want to answer them for whatever reasons, I understand. Just thought I'd throw them out there because they are a few of the things I've been thinking about since you published this article.
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Elizabeth A. Oct 9, 2007, 5:58pm EDT
Tim, Thank you for the important information on these unsafe and harmful products. I appreciate your articles which show the love and care you have for the children of our country and all nations. Bravo, Mr V!
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