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by Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C.
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January 8, 2007

ACLU - American Heroes!

September 27, 2007 07:03 PM EDT (Updated: September 28, 2007 09:20 PM EDT)
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The Single Strongest Supporters of The United States Constitution!

That's right.  You heard it here first!  Is it possible? 

The damn ACLU?  Don't they hate America intensely? Why is it that they continue trying to shut down free speech in this country by suing people who hate pedophiles? What's that? They were defending free speech? Oh.

Say, haven't you heard that the ACLU wants to destroy Christianity? Yes indeedy!  They won't let people put the ten commandments in Courthouse rooms!  ...And, they're all pedophiles, too! The same damn ACLU that drinks the blood of babies. Why must they hate America so?  They support gays, atheists, nazis and even the Klu Klux Klan.  We've heard it all.  Perhaps somebody PRO-America should mention something about why they're the BEST thing since sliced bread when it comes to defending this country.

The Truth

 

 

This is what they WON'T sit and watch happen!

Well . . . ready for a shocker?  They don't really support baby rapists and kitten killers.  They support the US Constitution in all volunteer work.  And they work hard to make sure that the men and women who have sworn to defend this "piece of paper" and the many who have given their lives to give us these rights did NOT die in vain.  We have rights and freedoms . . . and when someone oversteps their bounds . . . these guys spring into action!

They say it quite clearly on their web site:

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

  • Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.
  • Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.
  • Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
  • Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.

When they see abuse or suspect abuse . . . what do they do?  They ask a judge, basically, "Is this ok?"  If the judge says yes, the US wins . . . and it's permitted.  If it's unconstitutional . . . it's stopped!  Either way, the US Constitution is protected and America wins.  They don't make the decisions OR the rules . . . they just ask.

So why the HATE?

Because there are real people IN this country that HATE the US.  They'd like to see it gradually changed into a country more to their liking!  People who are afraid, weak and pathetic always seem to launch truly lame, baseless attacks against the only organization in the country whose sole purpose of existence is to defend our American constitutional rights and liberties. These are people who never think to ask themselves why they really stand against America and the US Constitution. Religious people . . . (even Christians) and zealots who want this country to be as theocratic as an oppressive mideast Islamic country . . . but with the RIGHT religion, of course!  Some have even more insidious agendas . . . but not one of the Stop the ACLU crowd has America in their minds.  They have a different vision . . . and WHO keeps stopping them??  That's right . . . the ACLU!

Americans have been told and need to believe that the enemy lies within. The enemy wants to whittle away selective rights and gradually . . . . they want to set precedent and take more and more . . . until one day . . . they will be looking at YOUR rights.  That pesky ACLU stands firmly in their way every time they strike a blow against this country!  Maybe . . . JUST maybe THAT is why they hate it so much!. But the antiAmericans will never be happy. Why?  Because there are only the fringe anti-American diehards . . . not real Americans . . . dedicated to destroying this country!


The ACLU challenges every attempt at defying the US Constitution and they do it in the way prescribed by the very Constitution they seek to protect . . . our courts!  Ironic, isn't it?  Each case brought by the ACLU shines a spotlight on people trying to 'slip by' the Law of the Land.  Each case shines a light on WHO is against the Constitution. 

It couldn't be more simple.

I'll close with Clark Kent's own words about the 'hate the ACLU' crowd and second them! 

Thank God for the ACLU, and thank God the vast majority of America doesn't hate this country as much as you people do

 

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Comments: 113 ( 3 removed by Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. )

Spencer T. Sep 27, 2007, 7:25pm EDT
I agree more and more that many who blast the ACLU are responding to a right they wish to have which is not constitutional. Many others simply respond to what they think should be as apposed to what the constitution provides.

Thank you.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 27, 2007, 7:27pm EDT
The point here, Spencer (and thanks for the comment), is that they are only defending the Constitution by asking if things are ok. That's it. They don't decide the answer. So why the vile hatred?

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Peter Wimsey Sep 27, 2007, 8:14pm EDT
Nice to read again what the ACLU accomplishes for American citizens, even the most ignorant and thoughtless who oppose them.
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Peter Wimsey Sep 27, 2007, 8:15pm EDT
Like thousands of other freedom-loving citizens, I am a proud member of the ACLU.

Send them a check at the end of every year.
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Lainie - Just Lainie Sep 27, 2007, 8:16pm EDT
If the wingnuts have learned nothing else from Bush, this they HAVE learned: Blame/Accuse someone else.

That's my theory behind the vile hatred. : )

By the way, Lord Exchequer, Laird of all those other things, Charles Gibson talked about SCHIPS tonight on World News. I cannot believe how badly Bush looked in that segment - liberal media at it again! Can you believe they reported that Bush asked for $190 BILLION dollars (a little more than $15 BILLION/MONTH for a year) for the war and then said the US couldn't afford the $7 MILLION/YEAR SCHIPS program?!?!?!! God, they made him look awful. Damn liberal media.
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Sara S. Sep 27, 2007, 8:35pm EDT
Thank you Doyle for your sound, rational and honest look at the mission of the ACLU. Sadly, I think those that oppose the ACLU because "They want to destroy America" may not be able to understand your simple explanation.

To add to what Spencer said, I believe that many of those who blast the ACLU not only crave freedoms that are unconstitutional, but seek to revoke any protected freedoms that they do not agree with or even understand.
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Ron B. Sep 27, 2007, 9:20pm EDT
An excellent article and I couldn't agree more.
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Kathleen ♥ L. Sep 27, 2007, 9:48pm EDT
Thank you Doyle!
I've been interested in the ACLU but have been slow to join because of the venom some spew against them. I've been reading other's comments and looking at who is in the group of ACLU haters and had pretty much decided to send in my $$ next payday.
This just helped me seal the deal.
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Erica R. Sep 27, 2007, 10:26pm EDT
Doyle, you crack me up! Way to stick in the whole baby killer thing we were subjected to this morning, that was just a load of crap wasn't it? It's nice to know that there are those that can hold back their emotions and take a deeper look at what the issues really are and how they will affect America if every single restriction different groups wants placed upon us are allowed to happen.
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Dave A. Sep 27, 2007, 10:34pm EDT
Who may sit at the table of freedom and liberty? If you believe it's all Americans, you should support the ACLU.

If you harbor hate for other law-abiding Americans, or the rule of law, you probably have no regard for the ACLU.

Great article, and I applaud you for the homage to Clark Kent (J***). His content is middle-of-the-road to conservative if you read the Constitution; yet he is frequently regarded as extremist by the unwashed masses of Gather.
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Wil B. Sep 28, 2007, 9:07am EDT
" Who may sit at the table of freedom and liberty? If you believe it's all Americans, you should support the ACLU."

Damn straight! LOL!

I really don't like to throw words like "unamerican" around but I honestly have a hard time understanding why so many people, when it comes to civil liberties for all, seem to agree with GW's description of the Constitution of the United States as a "just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I'm proud of the ideals and the promise of America -- freedom, justice, fairness and courage. I know we don't always live up to those ideals, but I believe that we should never give up trying. And that's why I'm a proud supporter of the ACLU.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 9:20am EDT
"Like thousands of other freedom-loving citizens, I am a proud member of the ACLU.
Send them a check at the end of every year. "


Nice to know SOME still support the US Constitution that's become so unpopular with the GOP!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 9:43am EDT
Lanie Dear . . . :)
"I cannot believe how badly Bush looked in that segment" . . . was it close to how bad he looks in real life?

Sara:
"...but seek to revoke any protected freedoms that they do not agree with or even understand."
That's it exactly. Freedom of speech for them but NOT for the KKK! Only by supporting freedom in ALL cases -- even extreme ones -- can we guarantee them for ourselves.

Ron: Careful . . . military 'leftists' supporting the Constitution as they swore to do are often maligned (See: Kerry, John; Cleland, Max; et.al.). You can't afford to lose anymore beauty sleep! :P

Kathleen: VERY cool! Truly, they are the staunchest defenders of the US Constitution and the freedom it guarantees! :)

Erica:
"Doyle, you crack me up!" It's what I live for baby (rapist supporter -- LoL!)! I took that same oath to protect and defend the US Constitution decades ago and have lived by that precept since. The buffoon we were subjected to was only out to score cheap points and we played into his hand. There's not enough 'points' in the world to make me profit off killer baby rapists by attacking the constitution so he can enjoy his Home Depot card . . . he clearly doesn't read . . . and water the flowers in his toilet bowl planter! :P

Dave A.: Thank you - today . . . middle-of-the-road is considered extreme leftist! We know better!

Wil:
"And that's why I'm a proud supporter of the ACLU. "
AND . . . the United States Constitution! :)

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Sheryl O. Sep 28, 2007, 10:55am EDT
Bravo, Doyle! You most masterfully took up the gauntlet thrown down yesterday.

I have been a card-carrying member of the ACLU for years now and am damn proud to say it. I must admit that some cases they have taken up make me a little uncomfortable, but I know they are there for ALL when it comes to defending EVERYONE'S constitutional rights. And they would be there for me someday if I was in need of help.

They deserve every true American's support - both philosophically and monetarily. Again, Bravo!
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jessie voigts Sep 28, 2007, 11:30am EDT
good for you, doyle. i always appreciate them.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 11:45am EDT
Thanks Sheryl, and I DO get it. Only by protecting the rights of even the most wretched in this society can we guarantee that those rights remain for all! It's easy to defend the right of the daisy and sunshine children's center to make a poster seeking daisy day . . . a little tougher to protect the Nambla poster that wants to legalize elimination of age restrictions so sex with children would be legal. But who's the one goning to have trouble . . . and who decides where to draw the line?

Thanks Jessie!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Erica R. Sep 28, 2007, 11:55am EDT
You know, it can all be summed up with one phrase I think:

"Nothing worth fighting for was ever easy"

Just because it may make some people uncomfortable doesn't mean that the ACLU isn't doing something that needs to be done in order to ensure our rights as citizens.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 12:54pm EDT
Absolutely agreed Erica! Not everyone picks up a rifle to defend freedom . . . but everyone can help to defend it! :)

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Wendy C. Sep 28, 2007, 1:22pm EDT
What I've found is when people get angry it's because they think if they allow someone to think differently, then they have to agree or it means they're wrong.

Fear is the seat of most hatred. Ignorance fuels it.

Liberty for all. There is no clause for undesirables, heretics or the flatly stupid.

Viva la difference.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 1:58pm EDT
Wendy, So true! Viva la difference ! I'll tell you something else too. I, for one, prefer to let such unsavory types like the KKK speak up and get out their message. It gives me some idea of who they are and the type of people we're dealing with. Far more interesting and enlightening to read it straight from the horse's mouth (as it were) than to read what others say about it. Knowing they exist and nothing more is a far worse prospect than allowing them their laughable platitudes!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Joe T. Sep 28, 2007, 2:04pm EDT
Freedom isn't free. Thank God that the ACLU is paying the price.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 3:11pm EDT
Thanks Joe, surprisingly, the blindingly unAmerican contingent even has its own Stop the ACLU web site . . .

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Sheryl O. Sep 28, 2007, 4:03pm EDT
Hmmmm....come to think of it now, Doyle and Wendy, maybe there should be clauses about the "flatly stupid". ; - )
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 6:53pm EDT
Hmmmm. Nope. The US Constitution protects the flatly stupid too . . . :)

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Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 28, 2007, 10:03pm EDT
Thanks j.r.: Here I thought you forgot all about me! :)

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Wendy C. Sep 29, 2007, 1:35am EDT
Being stupid isn't a crime.. but it should hurt. No clause in the Constitution however, darn.
Smile, thanks for the laugh Sheryl
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 29, 2007, 1:44am EDT
AND it has some great entertainment value!

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Doyle I <~~~~~
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Jerry Kays Sep 29, 2007, 2:01am EDT
The REAL Americans (so they claim) HATE the ACLU, because they FEAR everyone and everything that is different than them. Those REAL Americans claim that the ACLU and anyone that is not as RIGHTeous as them, are of the liberal leftwing fringes, along with the ACLU ... all of which they HATE and FEAR ... and then they have the gall to claim that it is the rest of us that are UNAmerican and hold their traits, which they falsely and ignorantly deny of themselves, HATE and FEAR.

Long live the ACLU !!!
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Karl Leuba Sep 29, 2007, 2:11am EDT
I have to say thanks Doyle for publishing this and bringing it to my attention.

JERRY KAYS, Hats off to you. Remember that the ACLU, after years of abuse from Rush Limbaugh, went to court on his behalf to protect his right to privacy in his medical records. I don't know that the limp bough has even stopped the rampage against them.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Sep 29, 2007, 2:15am EDT
They're also looking into Senator Craig's case now too. Thanks guys!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Juan J Martinez Sep 29, 2007, 3:24pm EDT
Great article!!
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Member Photog Sep 29, 2007, 8:43pm EDT
shoutin' from the rooftops,bay bay!....LOL...at least a few orgs are representin' those of us who are fighting against anyone trying to shoplift our rights! ;>

The Patriot Act is a prime example of what an oxymoron is...emphasis on the "moron" !

peace,bay bay...gayle
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 1, 2007, 11:27am EDT
Thanks Juan!

Thanks to you as well Gaylester! I'm more concerned with people just handing over those rights than others stealing them. How tragic that they claim to support soldiers and bash people for dissent . . . accusing dissenters of using rights others fought and died to give them (like that was a bad thing) . . . and then . . . those SAME people are willing to 'roll over' and simply give away those same rights. This country needs and education and an enema! Badly.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 1, 2007, 6:02pm EDT
Thank you Lyla . . . :)

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Susan *. Oct 2, 2007, 8:22am EDT
whoa! what an article...this certainly gave me a lot of food for thought this morning!~
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 2, 2007, 11:32am EDT
Thanks very much Susan *! :)

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Doyle I <~~~~~
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Bob M. Oct 3, 2007, 11:50am EDT
Here is an Url of how the ACLU got its start in the U.S.A.;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fLxuQwkp_I
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 3, 2007, 12:09pm EDT
Not particularly interested in how it got its start . . . I'm concerned with what it does today . . . the topic of this article . . . and what it does today is protect the US Constitution. Apparently SOME people just hate the US Constitution and can't stand it when the PRO-American organization won't let them treat it like common tissue paper . . . and so they attack the defender of the American way. Know anyone like that?

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Charles Temm JR Oct 3, 2007, 4:34pm EDT
hmm, they just recently added the part about religion being part of the 1st Amendment onto their website...

I'd believe the ACLU really was pro Constitution if they supported more than the first part of the First Amendment (even that is very cherry picked) and parts of the Fifth and Sixth...they're never there for the Second, Ninth, or Tenth....
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Bob M. Oct 3, 2007, 4:55pm EDT
Doyaly do you think this is an American Hero, the past president of the ACLU;
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2900174&page=1
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55983
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Bob M. Oct 3, 2007, 5:44pm EDT
The Truth about the ACLU;
http://www.geocities.com/graymada/aclu.html
One of Joseph Goebbels quotes; "Tell a lie, make it big, and tell it often enough so that soon everyone will believe it."
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Oct 3, 2007, 6:06pm EDT
Oh crap! You've gone and done it now, Bob!

And they were so busy patting each other on the back.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 3, 2007, 6:28pm EDT
"...do you think this is an American Hero, the past president of the ACLU..."
This man was not the President of the ACLU, he was President of the Virginia chapter. I never claimed that every individual in the ACLU was perfect and this man, clearly, was not. So? George Washington owned slaves. You approve of that? That doesn't mean that he wasn't instrumental in the birth of a new Nation, does it? If we search for members of the Red Cross who have committed crimes and find one . . . should we all band together and hate the Red Cross? SEE:
http://crime.freedomblogging.com/2007/08/20/
ex-red-cross-official-sentenced-to-six-months-in-prison-for-theft/
Are you a Red Cross hater too?

"The Truth about the ACLU..."
Once again going back decades . . . even to the 30s . . . and citing McCarthy era charges of affilliation with Communists does not speak for today's ACLU. Nor is this ancient history easily verifiable posted as it is on some other anti-American's Geo-Cities free website. Those damn commies LOVE the US Constitution.

"One of Joseph Goebbels quotes; 'Tell a lie, make it big, and tell it often enough so that soon everyone will believe it.' "
Ahhhhh! So THIS is where the Neo-CON GOP get's their directions!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 3, 2007, 6:28pm EDT
Ooooh - lookie! Another America hater heard from! With nothing to add but some pom pom shaking. What a shocker!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Oct 3, 2007, 6:39pm EDT
Pom pom shaking? Hey, you ought to know. There were plenty of pom poms in here before Bob showed up.

Regards,
Lera I <~~~~~ (whatever the fudge that's suppose to mean)

You might be a pompus jack ass, but I still luv ya! {{{hugs}}}
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 3, 2007, 6:48pm EDT
I know . . . and despite your anti-American, anti-ACLU stance . . . I feel the same. Haven't determined WHY in either case . . . but . . . there it is.

Incidentally, when I agree with them it isn't pom pom shaking . . . it's reasoned, intellectual discourse. You KNOW that!

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 3, 2007, 6:50pm EDT
<~~~~~

This means "HEY! Lookit ME, Lookit ME!"
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Susan A. Oct 3, 2007, 7:16pm EDT
keep your friends close and our enemies closer
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Bob M. Oct 4, 2007, 1:14am EDT
Doyaly, I guess that the ACLU started out as a bunch of communists and they are now American heroes?
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Bob M. Oct 4, 2007, 1:58am EDT
Doyaly,"I know . . . and despite your anti-American, anti-ACLU stance . . . I feel the same. Haven't determined WHY in either case . . . but . . . there it is."
Do you even remotely believe that because people are intellegent enough to see past the ACLU's ludicrous behavior, that they are anti-American for it? I would have to say that an ACLU stance would more appropiately be anti-American than what you suggest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFGsI-5gxM4
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 4, 2007, 10:58am EDT
Boobie:
"I guess that the ACLU started out as a bunch of communists and they are now American heroes? "
First . . . you should say some of the members of the ACLU . . . The ACLU itself is not and was not Communist (not that you know what that term means anyway). Considering I have told you time and again that the 50 yr. old McCarthy-ist claims that labeled half of the world as Communists and the 70 + yr. old Great Depression strategies in the 30s which had the nation seeking relief are not a legitimate source to denigrate the current ACLU. Much as you would hope they were. Do you judge President Bush on his much more recent history as a drunken, coke fiend, frat boy branding others with a wire coat hanger? Or as a War criminal . . . oh wait . . . that's not history . . . it's current!

Yes, the ACLU is a modern day American Heroic organization whose SOLE function is to protect the US Constitution. Nothing less and Nothing more.

"Do you even remotely believe that because people are intellegent enough to see past the ACLU's ludicrous behavior, that they are anti-American for it?"
It's NOT remote. To attack the only group who has as it's only reason for existence the protection and preservation of the US Constitution is, by definition, Anti-American to the extent that the Constitution is PRO-American. You hate them because YOU are anti-American and cannot stand the fact that the US Constitution is in the way of most of your agenda.

Now, run along there and see if you can't find me another item about how 50 years ago there was a bad guy who supported the US Constitution so we should get rid of it. After all, you clearly believe that Communists are PRO-Constitution . . . and clearly that makes the Constitution bad. Great thinking.
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Bob M. Oct 4, 2007, 12:28pm EDT
Doyaly, Do you think for a millisecond that I consider you an authority on anything that comes out of your arrogant mind? If the ACLU is so great, why don't they go down to Mexico and straighten out the horrific mess that the Elites have put upon the peons there? Must be because they can't extract millions, if not billions of dollars from them. The only reason that they are sue happy here is to make a quick buck and settle out of court.
I happen to believe the Constitution was initially written for the people of the United States, not for the rest of the World to come over here and pillage under the guise that they are intitled to any of the freedoms that this country has fought so hard to keep.
Why don't you bring some more of that McCathyism to the table and tell us that we must be going amuck if we don't let every Tom, Dick, and Harry come over here and exploit this country.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 4, 2007, 1:50pm EDT
"Do you think for a millisecond that I consider you an authority on anything that comes out of your arrogant mind?"
I don't think you're bright enough to know what a fool you are. In fact, I'd be surprised if somebody wasn't reading this to you. You are a classic example of why children should stay in school and learn how to think independently.

"If the ACLU is so great, why don't they go down to Mexico . . . "
I'm guessing because the sole reason that the ACLU exists is to protect the US Constitution . . . Pretty sure I mentioned that already. Have your 'friend' read it back to you again.

"I happen to believe the Constitution was initially written for the people of the United States..."
No shit. So why do you hate it so much?


"Why don't you bring some more of that McCathyism to the table and tell us that we must be going amuck if we don't let every Tom, Dick, and Harry come over here and exploit this country. "
Actually, it was you citing the 50s Communist witch hunts, not me. Also your statement makes absolutely no sense. What a shocker.

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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 4, 2007, 2:01pm EDT
"...that they are intitled to any of the freedoms that this country has fought so hard to keep."
Ok . . . I've tolerated your juvenile name calling because it's certainly likely you just really suck at spelling given the clearly inadequate education you've endured. The funny thing is . . . the fight is against people like you who want to give away those same freedoms . . . without so much as a groan. Your cowardly fear of some imminent terrorist attack has you jumping up and down in favor of rolling back all of the rights true Americans fight and die for. "Please, Mr. Bush . . . suspend Habeus Corpus . . . just don't mess up my shopping day!!!" Keep pumping them pom poms for Georgie . . . pathetic weasels like you guys would literally wet your pants if you had to stand up for anything.
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Sheryl O. Oct 4, 2007, 2:19pm EDT
"If the ACLU is so great, why don't they go down to Mexico and straighten out the horrific mess that the Elites have put upon the peons there?"

Because, Bob, they are an American volunteer group and have their hands quite full enough trying to keep THIS country in line with the U.S. Constitution. They also don't receive any compensation for the work that they do. You really are quite misinformed when it comes to this organization. Too bad you don't appreciate the fact that the work they do protects EVERY AMERICAN'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (that includes you, Bob, IF you are an American citizen).
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Bob M. Oct 4, 2007, 3:55pm EDT
Sheryl, I think the person that is not informed is yourself, want to see where the ACLU gets its money?;
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,74843,00.html
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 4, 2007, 5:45pm EDT
Wow. FOX news. What a shock. AND NO sources for the info . . . just allegations. Interestingly . . . more than a few millionaire and billionaire capitalists too! You hate Capitalism? Where's the COMMUNIST money going . . . the GOP??? Carnegie too?? Philanthropists and Capitalists. You need to make up your mind . . . are they Communists or Capitalists??

You should also look into something less laughable as a source than FAUX news . . .
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 4, 2007, 5:46pm EDT
But January 2oo3 . . . at least it's not 50 years old, huh?
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Elizabeth Madrigal Oct 4, 2007, 5:57pm EDT
Thanks for the reminder so we can all get our donations in the mail before the tax year ends along with our free speech and other loose ends...
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 4, 2007, 6:05pm EDT
You and me both Elizabeth!!

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Bob M. Oct 5, 2007, 2:15am EDT
Doyaly, don't like fox news? How about this news service?
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7163998
You better quit while you can, you're a loser, whip.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 6, 2007, 8:23am EDT
Fool . . . you posted a web site that shows the ACLU is DEFENDING the Constitution. That doesn't bother ME it bothers YOU . . . the Anti-American, Anti Constitution guy, remember?

berf . . . huh?

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Wil B. Oct 6, 2007, 9:00am EDT
From O'Reilly's Talking Points Memo:

"The Factor has found out that most of the money flowing into the ACLU comes from left-wing organizations, no surprise."

It's a shame more right-wing organizations aren't willing to contribute money to an organization dedicated to the protection and preservation of the US Constitution, but hey, that's their choice. The good news for them is that the ACLU will still help them if they ever need it. Just like they helped Rush )link).

The part I can't figure out is why people like Bob say they hate the ACLU because it's a communist organization, and at the same time seem to have issues with how private individuals and organizations choose to spend their money. Howzat work?
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Bob M. Oct 6, 2007, 9:41am EDT
Doyaly, you just don't get it, do you?
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The Grim Reaper Oct 7, 2007, 1:09am EDT
Doyle and Wil get it, Bob. They just do not want to let people who may be reading this thread to know it. That is why they deny the validity of the links that you posted.
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Bob M. Oct 7, 2007, 2:46pm EDT
Wil, I never said that I hated anything, other than people representing theirselves as something that their not. Are you saying that the ACLU fits this discription? Misrepresenting these vultures as a bunch of philanropists that are here to defend the rights of the American people is nothing but a subreption.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 6:54pm EDT
"Misrepresenting these vultures as a bunch of philanropists that are here to defend the rights of the American people is nothing but a subreption."

I don't know what a 'subreption' is Bob, but if you've got evidence proving that the ACLU doesn't defend the rights of the American people, feel free to share it. I clicked all your links but I didn't see anything that did that. A few of them dealt with the fact that the ACLU was started by communists, and the rest of them were examples where the ACLU was doing exactly what it claims to do. Defending the rights of the American people.

" Wil, I never said that I hated anything"

Sorry if I put words in your mouth, Bob. You said you hated people representing themselves as something that they're not, and you said the ACLU was representing themselves as something they're not. That looks to me like you're saying you hate the ACLU. If you don't hate the ACLU, then I apologize for my misunderstanding.
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Bob M. Oct 7, 2007, 10:44pm EDT
Wil, Are you having a hard time reading tonight? By the way it's 7:30 am in Australia right now.This is what I said:"Wil, I never said that I hated anything, other than people representing theirselves as something that their not. Are you saying that the ACLU fits this discription?"
Are they Wil? You tell me.
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Wil B. Oct 7, 2007, 11:24pm EDT
No, I'm not saying that the ACLU fits that description. Are you? I thought you were when you said "Misrepresenting these vultures as a bunch of philanropists that are here to defend the rights of the American people is nothing but a subreption" but maybe I misunderstood. Who were the vultures you were talking about, and how were they being misrepresented? And what is a "subreption"?
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 10:58am EDT
"Doyaly, you just don't get it, do you? "
Sure I get it. You hate the US Constitution and, therefore, attack the people who defend it and thwart your UnAmerican dreams.

"They just do not want to let people who may be reading this thread to know it. That is why they deny the validity of the links that you posted. "
Another Anti-American heard from . . . listen grim fool . . . I looked at his links . . . most of them prove MY point! The rest of his ancient insinuations imply Communists had a hand in founding the organization more than half a Century ago . . .

"Misrepresenting these vultures as a bunch of philanropists that are here to defend the rights of the American people is nothing but a subreption. "
Show me ONE example where they are NOT defending the US Constitution. Just ONE. While you're at it . . . give me an example of the subreption you falsely accuse. You're quite ok with making baseless accusations . . . perhaps you could provide some evidence? So far . . . I'm ( *what a shocker* ) STILL waiting.

"...if you've got evidence proving that the ACLU doesn't defend the rights of the American people, feel free to share it."
Don't hold your breath Wil . . . if there was ANY evidence we would have seen it by now.

":"Wil, I never said that I hated anything, other than people representing theirselves as something that their not. Are you saying that the ACLU fits this discription?
Are they Wil? You tell me. "


"Misrepresenting these vultures as a bunch of philanropists that are here to defend the rights of the American people is nothing but a subreption. "

ROTFLMAO ! ! ! ! Oh . . . ( Sh*t Dude . . . you can't even follow your OWN line of reasoning). You CLEARLY stated you hate the ACLU. I'll tell you that they actually represent the US Constitution (which is why you hate them) . . . Now . . . If ANYONE is representing themselves as something they're NOT . . . it'd be YOU . . . unless you admit to being an unintelligent, Anti-Constitution, Anti-American sleaze who has now implied that this organization, founded by Communists and supported by Billionaire capitalists and philanthropists, is worthy of your contempt. Because it supports all that made this country great and defends the freedoms our troops have fought and died for against people like you . . . well . . . the troops defended against armed people who tried to take freedom by force, not slinky cowards who try to take people's freedom by back door, darkened deals and fear mongering (that's what the ACLU defends us from) . . . but I'm sure you don't want people to see you for what you really are. I don't blame you.

Wil:
sub·rep·tion (sub rep′shun)

noun

[1] deliberate concealment or misrepresentation of facts so as to gain some benefit or advantage
[2] an erroneous inference or conclusion induced by this

Perfect example of everything Boobie is saying--he hates the Constitution--while claiming to be an regular American.

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Peter Wimsey Oct 8, 2007, 11:04am EDT
Nice job with the wingnuts, Doyle.

If one can't support the ACLU because of a screwball in Virginia, I guess Bob has fled the Church after pedophile priests, preachers with rent-boys, and faith-healers stealing form their father-s Univeristy.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 11:22am EDT
:)

Thanks Peter!

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Bob M. Oct 8, 2007, 11:38am EDT
First things first Doyaly , which of the two ACLU's are you talking about?
http://www.aclu.org/acluf.html
Peter do you know what NAMBLA stands for? This is one of the pedophile organizations that the ACLU stands up for:
http://www.nambla.org/
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200402270920.asp
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 1:28pm EDT
Which of the two??? You gotta be kidding me?? Don't you even read the weblinks you post???? Look, all you do is google ACLU and copy paste links, so far not one of which has failed to back me up. This is an organizational structure like almost all other large, nation-wide organizations have.

"The ACLU is comprised of two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Although both the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation are part of the same overall organization, it is necessary that the ACLU have two separate organizations in order for the ACLU to do a broad range of work in protecting civil liberties. This Web site collectively refers to the two organizations under the name "ACLU."

"Peter do you know what NAMBLA stands for? This is one of the pedophile organizations that the ACLU stands up for:"
Another case where the ACLU defends the right to free speech and this was hammered to death in the last article (before it was deleted) . . . Your right wingnut 'National Review' and Murdock are about as extremist as they can get without a swastika stamp . . . but even they start off talking well of the ACLU (though the bias is difficult for them to hide)

Parents of a murdered kid, having found justice with the killers locked up for life and without possibility of parole now wanted to sue a website for existing. Check out the web site. They advocate changing the law so sex with minors is not illegal. Pathetic and sick . . . but they have a right to try to get people to change the law. They do not set up meetings of pedophiles with children nor do they advocate ANY illegal activities. So, because a killer is a member they want to sue them??

They have a Constitutional right to freedom of speech. NOT just the speech YOU want to hear. Made my point again Boobie . . . they're out there protecting freedom . . . even for disgusting people like Senator "pass the TP" Craig, Rush "Hillbilly Heroin" Limbaugh and Nambla . . . all pathetic . . . all protected. You should be happy. They protect YOUR right to free speech too. You're in good company.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 1:29pm EDT
I noticed, boobie, that you failed to answer a single question.

What a shocker.
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Bob M. Oct 8, 2007, 1:48pm EDT
OK Doyaly, We established that you don't care which of the two different ACLUs that we're going to be talking about, to you they happen to be the same, not-for-profit organization, right?
As far as posting links to websites, don't you think I have a right to do that? Just because you have a reading disability, it doesn't mean that I don't have any rights to post ANY website that I choose.
P.S. when the opposition looses its integrity, they start calling eveybody names. Or, are you like the ACLU, not having any integrity, just out for the money.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 2:27pm EDT
Whose calling names Boobie? I believe you were the first to do that, simply scroll back up and see for yourself and remember "when the opposition looses its integrity, they start calling eveybody names."

"As far as posting links to websites, don't you think I have a right to do that?"
Of course . . . though I usually recommend you read them so you stop posting links that make MY point and make you look like a fool.

"Just because you have a reading disability, it doesn't mean that I don't have any rights to post ANY website that I choose."
As it happens I have no reading disability. That's right, have whoever is reading this to you read it again. Now have that person explain to you what it means. I'm the one reading your links that prove my point . . . you're the one not having your friend read them to you so you seem unaware that you're making my case. So who has the disability? So . . . I guess I can post ANY link I want to prove my point too then? Cool!
Here are some links the prove MY case!

I can post
any link I want
and Prove MY point
Boobie style!

"Or, are you like the ACLU, not having any integrity, just out for the money. "
The ACLU and I have incredible integrity. Neither of us is in need of money . . . and both of us piss you off because we defend the Constitution against slimeballs like yourself . . . and some much worse who also happen to know how to read.

I have posted the links, proven my case and clearly won! Thank you for playing the "I hate the USA" game . . . and have a nice bitter conversation with your elementary school reading teachers. You might also want to spend a moment or two reflecting on why you hate this country so much that you'd like to see the US Constitution shredded . . . not enough hugs from Mommy? Daddy a drinker? A little toooo close to the local Priest? Whatever it was, you unAmerican hate of this country comes through loud and clear.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 2:29pm EDT
Pssssst. I noticed, boobie, that you failed to answer a single question. (again)

What a shocker.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 4:10pm EDT
ROTFLMAO!!

All right Nick, but you should have worked in the wire hanger branding, drunk driving, vacation-holic points too. Wait a minute . . . I bet that's what all those vacation days were for . . . Lucky Charms and Stooges. Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck!

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Elizabeth "I'm Pro-Accordion and I Vote!" B. Oct 8, 2007, 4:14pm EDT
Great article.
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Bob M. Oct 8, 2007, 5:42pm EDT
Well I see that you concur with me that the ACLU might just be the greastest illusionists of all time, Doyaly. Look up the word civil.
I think that the people that run this 85 million dollar a year company are actually pretty smart as they don't have to pay their fledgling help any money. (attorneys that work for free)
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 5:45pm EDT
"Well I see that you concur with me that the ACLU might just be the greastest illusionists of all time..."
You see all kinds of things. I wonder if any of them exist?

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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 5:45pm EDT
Pssssst. I noticed, boobie, that you failed to answer a single question. (again)

What a shocker.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 5:46pm EDT
Thanks Elizabeth!

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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Oct 8, 2007, 7:04pm EDT
I love the ACLU also Doyle , thanks and please keep up the good fight here . ;-)
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 7:06pm EDT
Thanks Don . . . Another American heard from!

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paul w. Oct 8, 2007, 7:27pm EDT
Doyle: Thanks for the great article and the ensuing conversation. I am bummed that I missed so much of the fun. My Gather records show that I've done my share of defending that Constitution-loving organization. (In fact, I'm going to have to have you re-publish it when our annual War on the War on Christmas kicks up again. And, you'll (all) need to join my "So-Called 'War on Christmas'" group - nowaronchristmas.gather.com)
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 8, 2007, 7:33pm EDT
Sounds like a plan Paul. Send an invite!

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Peter Wimsey Oct 8, 2007, 11:27pm EDT
Glad to hear form smart and lively voices like that of elizabeth. Nice to see Paul and Don stop in.

But, I loved Nick's tin-hatted eater of the Lucky Charms.

The AWOL in Chief is a national disgrace.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 9, 2007, 7:23am EDT
Uhhhh . . . international disgrace,

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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 9, 2007, 9:19am EDT
Incidentally,
You can all see clearly that I have allowed ludicrous, name-calling Bull from Bob M. aka Boobie . . . though he's not really interested in debate. When he adds absolutely nothing to the debate but calls names to anyone other than me the comment will be deleted. Any future comment in which he has decided that name-calling will be the priority will be deleted. He started it . . . I'm ending it. Should he have anything to add . . . other than name-calling . . . it will be included!

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Lori F. Oct 9, 2007, 9:21am EDT
Doyle wonderful article. Not everyone supports everything....the ACLU supports free speech...most people support it as long as the agree with what is being said if not it is censorship all the way.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Oct 9, 2007, 9:40am EDT
Lori:
You continue to surprise me! You are SO right . . . it's easy to support freedom of speech when people are saying what you want to hear . . . Not so easy when they are MORONIC and despicable, like the KKK or Nmabla . . . but freedom is freedom . . . and it has to be for all! Proud of you girl!

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