Democrats have a great idea snub Florida

Come on Karen, that is crazy. No rigged vote occured.

Merely political gamesmenship.

This is their best idea yet.....for the Republicans that is.

Modern, you are not looking at it in the right light.
1) Florida allows the common people to protect themselves from the criminal offenders that had a hard life as children. By allowing people to carry fireearms more easily.
2) Florida has been rigging the past few elections, proven by the amount that the Dems have been able to win there. We all know Democrats should be winning all elections, right.
3) Florida will not allow the tee-shirts with Che Guevara hero subject.

Now hopefully you can see why they would have reservations about Florida.

MDP---Bless your heart I had to give you "TEN",..because it's so cute how this shocks you!..;o)

Dan

Thanks for your help. I now can see the light, silly me

The Dems are their own worst enemy.

They are going to give us either Hillary or Obama. Consider this: a female has never been elected president, nor has a black man. Not saying it won't happen, but you surely are taking a hard road going against the odds.

All I can say is, thank God I don't live in FL anymore. NC is bad enough!

I thought you were going to be doing real articles.

This is one. I dont understand why a party would do this? Why would they want to punish Florida when they need them in the general?

Who else is for moving to Canada should Hilary win, eh?

Yes, but Florida in it's wisdom dumped all of the elected officials involved in that scam, fraud, scandal. I've never understood how Florida could elect such ultra conservative politicians when it appears to be such a liberal state. Maybe I've just seen a small piece of it.

Joe, parts of Florida are real liberal. But there are parts that are Real Conservative. It breaks down roughly like this South=Liberal, panhandle=conservative, and the people in the middle of the state decide the election.

I really hope we're not doing something as stupid as shunning a huge state like Florida...........but I wouldn't put it past the loons in our party on the Left to do such a thing.

This whole primary mess began with George McGovern's rewriting of the primary rules in 1972(?). What is written can and should be unwritten. The intent was to take power from the backroom politicians and give it to the people. But, now the primary process has become so long and costly that all the power goes to the bankrolling lobbyists. We don't need two years to select a party candidate. The actual presidential campaign is only a few months long. Why should the primary season be any longer?

The appeal for money has hopefully taken the crazy ideas of the Left off the table. I'm sure they don't like being marginalized just because of money concerns. That would be the ultimate insult.

Frankly, I wish both parties would just hurry up and die, so we can start over. None of these assholes is a representative of the people. The GOP has done its part, by allowing BushCheneyCorp and the religio-nutjobs destroy the party. It's about time the pussycrats stood up and started doing their part as well.




" Come on Karen, that is crazy. No rigged vote occured."

Right.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.28A.Election.Fraud.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/VOTEFRAUD/index.html
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Nothing at all to see here, folks. Let's move along now.

Mary, maybe we can be neighbors.

Dems shun Florida! = good idea -NOT

Clark Kent -

I suppose all 50 Secretaries of State were in on the scam when they certified the elections, right? Yea, riiiiiiiiiiight............

"I suppose all 50 Secretaries of State were in on the scam when they certified the elections, right?"

Perhaps you might try actually reading the links provided, instead of making ignorant comments without thought?

Clark Kent -

Are you trying to tell me that a TruthOut.org article will be unbiased and tell the actual truth for once? Or would you just have me go down the rabbit hole with you and all the Code Pinkies?

If you really want to try to convert people, you should be using non-Leftist sites, Clark. The propaganda your articles spew is stinky.
All 50 Secretaries of State have their jobs on the line when they certify an election. Your nutty articles have NOTHING on the line, when written..........especially when written on a nutty website.

You Conspiracy Theory people are shameful.

Clark those were conspiracy theories on the votes. Sorry no one rigged votes just like our government did not fly planes into the world trade center, and they are not hiding aliens in roswell anything else we need to help you with

I provided no less than five links on the subject of election fraud in FL. If you'd like, google probably has millions of others that you're certainly free to gather for yourself as you see fit.

Isn't it interesting that, rather than read the information on the links, and providing your own documentation to refute what is on those sites, you merely cast them all aside as meaningless, because of one particular source that you seem to have a hard on for, for whatever reason. Usually, when people cannot refute what is said, and wish to marginalize the information somehow, they resort to attacking the messenger, as a means of discounting the entirety of the story.

This is what happened to Dan Rather with his "memogate" story. To this day, not a single person has been able to refute what he said, and the documents presented have yet to be definitively proven to be forgeries or not. Rather than face and discuss the content of his story, the "right" simply chose to attack the messenger. Sometimes, the tactic works. Other times, it doesn't.

I will now show you that, in this particular case, the weak, pathetic tactic did NOT work. I am not Dan Rather, and I will not back down simply because someone is attacking the messenger. I challenge you now to produce documentation to refute the core details of what is described in minute detail on those links. You will not be allowed to slide by with a weak attack on the messenger in this case. Time to pony up. If you're so utterly convinced that what I've presented is not true, let's see you refute it.

" Clark those were conspiracy theories on the votes. "

Guess what? Your opinion is not fact, nor does it alter the documented facts of election fraud. Care to try backing up your worthless opinion, or are you just going to attack the messenger as well?

I will give you plenty of facts. I a little bit. Listen all those sites made accusations that they could not prove. No court case was sucessful nor could a single deomcratic senator be found to support the claims. No evidence was found to prove their accustations. It would not hold in a court. I will give you all your evidence a little later. But it is hard to take a messenger seriously when he refuses to even accept finding by experts on some of his other theories

Clark Kent -

The certifications of all 50 States in the last election(s) render your argument obsolete. No Secretaries of State were proven to have done anything illegal during the vote. There were a few minor lawsuits by ACLU-types, but nothing that would have changed the results.

So in the end, your links to nutty websites hold no water. Sorry.

Just as I thought. Not only did neither of you bother to read the information provided, but you cannot refute what I've said. Case closed. You two know NOTHING about this, which certainly isn't surprising, based upon some of the comments you've made about other issues.

What's truly sad, though, is that you cannot simply admit that you have no clue about what you're saying. You're merely spouting your ignorant, ill-informed opinions, and backing them with nothing but further ignorant opinion, but you're such pathetic tools that you can't even be honest enough to admit when you've been cornered with your own bullshit.

Weak.

Clark-

First be honest you know nothing because your sites are all ultra-biased. No court in Florida found convincing evidence of any electorinc voting wrongs. The only case that was settled was in Tallahassee. They admitted nothing was wrong they just made changes to election law to make sure everyone was happy with the results. The election was not rigged. There were incidents, like there are with every election. It is not a vast conspiracy. But people only see what they want to see right, clark

"First be honest you know nothing because your sites are all ultra-biased."

Sorry, but your opinion does not constitute fact. You can find this information on any site you wish. The facts remain the same, believe it or not. Like Colbert said, "the truth has an obvious liberal slant."




"No court in Florida found convincing evidence of any electorinc voting wrongs. "

The only case that's been heard was over a civil rights violation, with regard to illegal voter purging, and that was settled out of court. That doesn't mean that no fraud has taken place. Let's try to remember that there are no paper trails with these machines.

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau_110404_diebold.htm
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/6845.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.28A.Election.Fraud.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackbox.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/usa_vote_facts.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm


Very recently:
http://www.scmagazine.com/us/news/article/730079/california-
decertifies-vulnerable-voting-machines/


" The election was not rigged. "

Pure opinion, not based in facts whatsoever. There is overwhelming evidence that elections since 2000 have been fully rigged and fraudulent. Those of you who have not bothered to lift a finger to actually study the issue do not speak from an informed position. You merely spout an uninformed opinion that suits your ideological belief.

If you weren't such an ideologue, you'd be able to separate yourself from that agenda and actually read the facts of the issue. Once you had those facts in hand, you'd come to a starkly different conclusion.




"There were incidents, like there are with every election"

There were not "incidents." There was widespread, systematic fraud in key swing states, that included jamming democratic phone banks, mailing out newsletters to black voters to tell them either that they had to vote on Wednesday, or that if they had a minor violation, they could not vote and would be arrested on site, illegal caging purge lists that illegally removed eligible black voters from registered voter lists, placing far fewer machines in black precincts than in predominately republican precincts, mysterious "vote flipping," in which votes for a democratic candidate inexplicably is flipped to Bush, thousands of Bush voters showing up in precincts where the population was no more than a few hundred people, illegal ballot tampering, and of course, the "magical" manner in which, for the first time in voting history, exit polling suddenly cannot be relied upon, when republican supporters are put in charge of "counting" the ballots behind closed doors.

The evidence is shocking, well-documented, and overwhelmingly convincing. John Conyers held a congressional hearing after the 2004 election, to investigate what had happened in OH, after hearing thousands of reports of cases of election fraud and disenfranchisement. The result was his report: "Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio"

Recently, it was found that the previous secretary of state in OH, bush's Ohio state campaign chairman (convenient), violated a court order by allowing almost all of the records of the 2004 election to be destroyed. Gee, what an amazing coincidence that, amidst staggering evidence that fraud took place once again, all of that evidence just magically disappeared.

I'd strongly suggest you start paying attention to what's going on around you. You're being lied to, and you're swallowing it. Elections have absolutely been rigged since 2000.

So of all the things you list do you really think that Democrats dont do them too.

How do you explain 2006, Clark

Clark Kent -

More Conspiracy Theories from you? I'm shocked! LOL
I think I'll believe 50 Secretaries of State rather than you, hands down.

How many History Channel documentaries do they have to produce to snuff out the nonsense you preach, as though it were fact? I hope the answer is 'many more'. And I promise to be entertained as your Conspiracy Theories go down the drain. Truthiness, Clark....lol.

"I provided no less than five links on the subject of election fraud in FL"

Yeah - retarded ultra fringe liberal sites. Get a brain.

So the Democrats think they will win enough support around the country by snubbing florida? 27 electoral votes are a lot.

and it's a swing state.