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Decisions, Decisions

August 12, 2007 07:54 PM EDT
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So - I was listening to my Shakespeare audio stuff .... part of the Independent Study course I'm doing (that Paula Love won't help me with even though she's bored, the meanie!) and I got bored too.

So, I started looking at web sites for Master's programs in Creative Writing.

Most of my professors have suggested that I should apply to the University of New Brunswick's creative writing program. And I do intend to. But honestly, I am not totally enamoured of the idea of moving to New Brunswick, at least not right now. I have kids, grandkids - well one, if you want to get technical, but she's started dialating and the second should be along any time now :) - and waterfront. I love our waterfront.

I also am not so cocky or confident as to trust that I will get into any one program. So...

I started looking at the other programs I have heard of, had recommended, etc....

The University of British Columbia has a program in which one lives at home, but attends 10 days of workshops each summer. Because they do the workshop thing in the summer to kick off the program, their application dates are a ~bit~ earlier than other programs.

I thought I had until December to make decisions, pull together portfolios, etc., etc....

but the application deadline for UBC's Optional-Residency program is September 14!!!!!!!!!!! ACK!

It does say, on the application package which I downloaded, that the deadline date is October 2. But the website says in several places that it is September - and anyway, neither of those is December!

I do not have until December to make decisions about grad school! I have been procrastinating big time about making decisions about grad school. And now I find out that I do not actually have that luxury! (Yes, Ina, I am whining; I'm sorry)

I am very, very fortunate in that hubby is willing to support me in whatever I 'want' to do.

My problem is that I do not know what I want to do.

Except that - really - that is a lie.

I do know what I want to do - a Master's in Creative Writing.

But my main reason for pursuing a Master's in English at all is so that I can teach English at the University level. For that, I do not need a Master's in Creative Writing, specifically. A Master's in English would do just as well if not better. I could specialize in Canadian Literature and Children's Literature. There are a lot more programs - and many closer to here - that would allow me to do that, including Laurentian University, which is where I am doing my undergraduate work.

The reason that it matters that there are a lot more programs nearby is not so much about choices in terms of taking the program, but in terms of future job opportunities.

What if I go get my MFA (Master's of Fine Arts - Specializing in Creative Writing) and then I can't find a job teaching creative writing - or writing....? People do not make much $$ by writing in Canada - and besides I love to teach; I want to teach (just not computers any more!)

So ...choice #1 is between an MA in English vs an MFA in Creative Writing.

The second choice is re: distance vs on-site learning. So far, all of my university stuff has been at a program within a community college - which, I understand, quite likely makes no sense to those of you from the US? I don't know how things work there - but here, community colleges tend to focus on vocational stuff - you go to them to learn to actually do a specific job. Universities are less vocational, more academic.

There is one (very new) MFA in creative writing offered through the University of Guelph which is about 3 hours south of me - but the actual courses are held at yet another College campus in Toronto.  That program is pretty darn low on my list of possibilities because of that - IF I am going to pick up and move, I want to go to an actual University, NOT to another University in a College program. Besides, the one prof that I have met from that program totally ~underwhelmed~ me both in her own work & presentation and in her (lack of) enthusiasm for the program. My profs have been similiarly lacking in enthusiasm and have not encouraged me to consider it.

So - in an ideal world, I would actually GO to a University; have the opportunity to be a TA, gain classroom experience in a University environment, make contacts, etc. Hubby's willing - but I'm not thrilled about the idea of moving, to be honest.

The UBC program is basically a distance learning option - it would not give me teaching experience in a university environment.

But - if they accepted me - I could do it from home and continue teaching at the College, and get my Masters without having to pack up and move.

And - if I don't apply - and then don't get IN to UNB - I'll be SOL ...so I think perhaps I have talked myself into coughing up the $60 and putting together a writing portfolio and seeing what happens.

 

Could always do the Masters through distance learning & then move for a PhD, right? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments: 116

Larry H. Aug 12, 2007, 8:00pm EDT
thanks for sharing...
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Dan H. Aug 12, 2007, 8:03pm EDT
Take some time and start thinking about what it is that you really want.
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Sara S. Aug 12, 2007, 8:13pm EDT
If you can get into a GOOD university distance learning program and continue to teach locally at the College, wouldn't that satisfy your requirements for the Master's and keep you at home as well?

How does hubby feel about relocating? Aside from leaving your kids & beloved lake, would it be practical for him?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:14pm EDT
oh I know I will want to do the PhD part - although I really am getting rather old (and forgetful) for it.... but my overall average tends to be above 85% so I'm thinking that I could do it....

the issue right now is mostly what Master's program to take....the ones that you actually go there for allow you only 10 hours/week to work - for them - and the pay for those is considerably less than I currently make teaching.

So if I stayed where I was and continued teaching, would have 2 more years to earn $$ before we would have to move to someplace that has an actual university.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:15pm EDT
he actually seems more enthusiastic about moving than I am ...a lot more!
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Jerri H. Aug 12, 2007, 8:15pm EDT
Good luck decideing
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:18pm EDT
IF I am going on to do the PhD then the actual teaching in a university doesn't really matter so much while I'm doing my Master's does it?

Especially as I am doing some workshopping and so on with other student writers (just cuz I love it)
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:19pm EDT
and the MFA would give me enough that I could probably get a job teaching in the college English department - a lot of profs set to retire in that area.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 8:25pm EDT
Hmmmm, hate those decisions. When I did may masters, I had three choices, the university in my backyard, did my undergrad there, decent program, but felt a bit underwhelmed by some of the profs who were a bit quirkey. number two was about an hour away, got accepted, but did not feell the warmth there. and the hour was a difficult drive. Number three was 45 minutes away, gave me scholarship, liked the profs, felt like it was a comfortable fit and they wanted me.
cough up the $60 and apply. even if you aren't sure, it buys you a little time to decide.
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Ina ♥ Tagline Free Since September '09 ♥ Aug 12, 2007, 8:31pm EDT
First of all, WHINE if you need to! Nothing beats a great whine except a great wine. Got that?

Next, you throw so much information out that my head spins. Sweetie, I think you're overthinking everything. Stop. Take a few deep breaths.

Now ask yourself what it is that you really want the most. Then make your second choice. Columns of pros and cons. Weigh your options.

Most of all, follow your heart.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:32pm EDT
have to put together a writing portfolio then!

that's kinda where I'm at - they accept less than 20% of those that apply ...and don't consider letters of recommendation until AFTER they decide re: your portfolio!! (those go towards your application to Graduate School, not to the CW program)

They say 20 pages in at least 2, but preferably 3 genres.... I am assuming writing for children would include YA novels? ...so would do that, plus short stories for the fiction requirement... but then what?

I don't think my poetry is strong enough ... or that I have 20 pages of it, for that matter.

Which leaves creative non-fiction - that would be the project I started well over a year ago, I guess... almost afraid to look at it to see how many pages I had LOL
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Ina ♥ Tagline Free Since September '09 ♥ Aug 12, 2007, 8:32pm EDT
Hey! Judi stole my stuff while I was writing it! NO FAIR!!

I have to learn to type faster.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:33pm EDT
LOL the noive of her!

I think rather than getting all stressed out about all the possibilities, I'm going to throw together a portfolio and apply for this one - can always say no if I decide on another program, right?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:36pm EDT
I'm amazed at myself, actually .... when I think of all the times when I used to be so stressed over where I was going to get $$ for groceries or car repairs or some stupid field trip or .....

I am in a SO MUCH BETTER place right now - and I'm still stressed!

I am so incredibly lucky to have such choices in front of me.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 8:36pm EDT
Yes you can.... think about it, what does it hurt to apply to the programs, if you decide after you apply you want something different, you can.
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Lydia O. Aug 12, 2007, 8:36pm EDT
that is absolutely correct. and I can now vouch for the fact that there are things in life WAY worse than spending time in BC in the summer. :) Besides, if you don't get in there's always, oh, I don't know, finishing the book you're supposed to be finishing...*whistles tunelessly*
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 8:38pm EDT
Hey is it the fact that you have choices that is bothering you? Making it scarey?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:43pm EDT
I am working on it Lydia, honest! Finished a chapter today and started a new one ..... plan is to have first draft done by the time school starts next month!

It feels SO good to be back at it - and I had to read it all again so that I could pick up where I left all and you know what? It's not nearly as bad as I was thinking... :)

Sara, I think tis the fact that I have to make choices that impact hubby ....and I still can't really believe that he is so willing to up and move for me and I'm afraid that he doesn't really mean it ... or that he does, but then will regret it later

and what if I fail after he's invested so much in me?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 8:46pm EDT
at least for as long as we stay here, we have the lake .... our family ...what's left of it anyway ....and I DO have work, bring in some $$, although not consistantly
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:21pm EDT
So, ask if you were to move, what would be his choice? What would he do? How does he see this impacting his life ... get him talking at sunset....:) He is investing in his future as well.
Really afraid of failing or just a thought that runs thru?
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Bundy P Aug 12, 2007, 9:31pm EDT
A lot to consider, but it doesn't sound like you want to move at all
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:32pm EDT
not failing at school.... failing to get a JOB or PUBLISHED or make money after it
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:35pm EDT
we're having a disagreement about my portfolio now!

he's all in support of my applying for this program and the UNB one as well (why wait for the deadline; you're doing one portfolio, do em both now, he says)

but I don't want to include poetry in my 3 genres
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:37pm EDT
Yeah, that is a scarey thought. I worried too, would get a job, pas the licensing exam, get sick and not be able to go.... Make a list of the fears, then consider how likely, and what the worst could be .... sometimes it helps to look at the worst possible scenario, then consider what would happen if. Ask hubby about it too, he may not feel as worried as you and have a different perspective.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:39pm EDT
So, include what you feel comfortable with at first, then think about what might be options
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:40pm EDT
What genre are you comfortable including?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:40pm EDT
You know...apply to all the different programs and see what happens...
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:40pm EDT
he is alot more confident in my abilities than I am

really is not that much risk that I couldn't get a job at least teaching english at the college level
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:42pm EDT
So... What is the question again?
Hi Jax... did you sleep yet...
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:42pm EDT
Hi jax :) how did the wedding go?

Fiction and children's are no brainers.... then it's either poetry or creative non-fiction
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:43pm EDT
Creative non fiction is good. poetry is very personal; at times lets people in where we don't want them
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:43pm EDT
You wouldn't believe what happened....only to me...I have to figure out what to do....
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:44pm EDT
What Jax?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:44pm EDT
I'd prefer the creative non fiction...but I can't write poetry to save my life.
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:45pm EDT
First, no one bothered to let me know that I had to do a reading for the wedding, until part way through the rehersal dinner....
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:46pm EDT
I just don't HAVE enough poetry that I COULD submit ...
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:47pm EDT
my poetry is too personal, creative non fiction sounds good to me... now that we've decided this for flit, should we do the apps to?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:47pm EDT
We got to my brother's house about 11:30 last night...had Angela and REbecca with us, along with a bunch of gifts...got unloaded...went out back to find out that Maggie was gone.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:48pm EDT
what happended to maggie?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:48pm EDT
I think we should fill out all of the apps...then she'll definately have a choice...LOL
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:48pm EDT
no prob flit, just submit creative not fiction
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:49pm EDT
one minor detail... don't have 20 pages of creative non fiction just sitting around ready to go
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:49pm EDT
All of the apps to everywhere we think she should go....hmmm
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:50pm EDT
what happened to Maggie?!
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:50pm EDT
so, get busy LOL
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:50pm EDT
Apparently, someone came by the house and didn't like her tied up (30 feet of cable) and unsnapped her collar...Maggie of coarse escaped through a whole in the fence (that's why she was attached to the cable). Angela was hysterical last night...didn't get her to sleep until after 1 a.m....we searched and searched..couldn't find Maggie.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:51pm EDT
no maggie?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:51pm EDT
oh no!

what a MORON! whoever let her go, I mean!
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:52pm EDT
I activated her microchip as a lost pet...finally went to the hotel and bed at 2 am....Mike blames me...
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:53pm EDT
cause some moron let her go?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:54pm EDT
We weren't going to bring her, but our doggy sitter got sick...then we were going to take her to a kennel in Virginia, but Paul said that Maggie would be good for the kids to play with at the rehersal dinner...and she's not a problem....I thought about putting her in the kennel last night, but I didn't know how long the whole wedding thing would last and didn't want her shut up for too long...plus it was a beautiful evening...only 75 degrees or so...this way she could run around the yard.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 9:54pm EDT
it's obviously not your fault!
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:55pm EDT
Sounds like doggy happy time
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 9:57pm EDT
Got up this morning and put up all kinds of posters...(cops filled a report last night)...

We finally had to leave around 10 am....Angela was in tears for the first hour home.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 9:59pm EDT
at least you were able to activate her chip and talk to the cops. Poor angela, how is pher?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:00pm EDT
Got ahold of Animal control around 2 p.m.....they hadn't picked her up...

As my folks and REbecca were driving home from Sam's Club, dad saw someone looking at one of the posters...he stopped and talked to her...she had Maggie...found her wandering around the neighborhood around 10 p.m. and brought her inside...Thank goodness! Unfortunately, we were just past Charlotte at the time...

We're back in Georgia, and Maggie is in Virginia.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:01pm EDT
that is just HORRIBLE! I'm so sorry!

So with the chip, when she's found, they'll know who to contact though, right?
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:01pm EDT
Well, she's found!, can your folks take her until you can get her?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:02pm EDT
Now, I have to figure out how to get Maggie back here....Angela is much happier now...I wasn't sure how school was going to go with Maggie missing.

Mom said Maggie was very happy to see them and was exhaused...she slept for hours on the kitchen floor.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:02pm EDT
by the way.... have you slept?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:02pm EDT
Oh, thank goodness she's safe!

well, as long as whoever the moron was isn't still there
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:04pm EDT
My folks have to go back to Michigan the end of the week...that's just taking her farther away....

That area is the home to PETA and other animal rights groups, so who knows who did it...she was released sometime after 8 p.m, according to Paul's next door neighbors who saw her right before that still in the yard.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:05pm EDT
so, are you going to try and meet them halfway between georgia and virg.?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:06pm EDT
could she be crated and sent by bus?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:07pm EDT
I don't know...the kids have school....Virginia is 10-11 hrs. away...
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:07pm EDT
Could one of your brother's friends keep her until you could arrange to get her?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:08pm EDT
I'm going to check tomorrow about planes...see if she can be flown back...if not, I guess I may have to drive back to Virginia late this week...grr...
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:08pm EDT
still havent answered, have you slept?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:08pm EDT
what a total pain in the behind! I'm so glad she's been found though...think she's the perfect dog for you ....she's as much of a calamity jane as you are.
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:09pm EDT
sounds like the perfect dog for pher....
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:10pm EDT
I got 3 hrs. last night...I'm still not sleeping enough...
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:11pm EDT
well, not that you're home, the dog has been found and ... you might get some sleep? Or should we send a rubber mallet your way?
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:12pm EDT
speaking of,,,, I need to go, working on gettin up early enough to walk beofre it gets hot so.....
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:15pm EDT
Could use the mallet...Mike is going to bed...I'm not the least bit sleepy...

Is it going to be real hot again Sara?
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:16pm EDT
all of that sounds exhausting... hopefully you will manage some sleep one of these days

have a great night Sara :) Thanks for your help re: figuring out what to do
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:21pm EDT
I still say you could come down here Flit...LOL...
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:22pm EDT
not without Ross! and he won't go get a pardon, so........
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:24pm EDT
we'll sneak him across the border...lol....through Minnesota...
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:24pm EDT
the UBC option actually sounds pretty damn good .... can stay here and do it.... work at Georgian and be contributing....

and then go do my PhD wherever
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:25pm EDT
wonder if I could get away with using the poems I wrote for kidLit for my portfolio?
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:28pm EDT
I don't see why not...and add a few more...
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:28pm EDT
don't you have a week or two....
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:30pm EDT
yeah but.....

I don't know which to do .... wish Bruce wasn't on holiday! how dare he take time off!
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:31pm EDT
BWT...I wouldn't let the relatives take the boat....
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:32pm EDT
neither would i ... but hubby is
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:33pm EDT
and not only that, we're not going to be here when she comes to take whatever she wants.
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:33pm EDT
Work on a little of both...see what comes more easily...can't hurt any
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:34pm EDT
Start hiding stuff...LOL...we can decorate the boat to look like...um...a big duck??
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:35pm EDT
just had a thought re: the creative non-fiction stuff.... the Leacock festival blog stuff would count, wouldn't it?
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Grems Aka Sarcastic Warrior Ninja 'gremlin' Aug 12, 2007, 10:36pm EDT
Make the boat a duck quack quakc *grems says as grems heads off to bed*
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:37pm EDT
oh... no it wouldn't

Non-Fiction: Double-spaced. Up to 20 pages (no academic essays, press releases, corporate reports, scientific papers, newspaper reporting, reviews or copy writing). We are looking for non-fiction that is creative in form. This includes work such as essays (non-academic), travel writing, memoir, magazine writing, biography, popular history (rather than academic history). Collections such as 'Best American Essays', are a good guide to this type of writing.
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:38pm EDT
It should Flit...I don't see why it wouldn't.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:40pm EDT
I do have some though..... some of the assignments I did for Bruce would count
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:40pm EDT
What about all your camp memories...those would be considered memoirs...
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:43pm EDT
I'll have to give it some thought.... Ross really liked the fishing thing I did .... re: killing nemo .... would have to edit it to not need the pictures

and I do have a bunch re: back to school for grownups
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:44pm EDT
you're right - the one about Joey would
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Janet "Jax" B. Aug 12, 2007, 10:46pm EDT
Consider writing more like your article on Joey....I think they'd be perfect.
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:47pm EDT
I should probably focus on the creative non-fiction rather than poetry
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flit . Aug 12, 2007, 10:48pm EDT
oh!! the one I wrote when Doris died....while she was still here in the bed beside me
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