Many of you have seen this photo, taken several months ago, representing a flagrant case of disrespect for the American flag at Montebello High School in the Los Angeles area. As you can see, the flag of Mexico is flying above the flag of the United States, which is upside down. The picture has been widely used by special interest groups to promote anti-immigration measures.
While the incident itself is inexcusable, very little of the related literature contains all of the facts.
Reportedly, a group of 800 to 1,000 students were organized for a peaceful march protesting the immigration legislation under consideration at that time. The students were primarily, if not completely, from schools other than Montebello High.
What has usually not been said is that the surrounding community of Pico Rivera has stepped forward vigorously to say it was outraged over what was done, as were the students who organized the march. Also, generally left out, was the fact that the student who was primarily responsible for hoisting the flags, which flew only briefly, was disciplined.
On the other hand, other photos taken of the event show that a number of the participants were celebrating this act of defiance, suggesting that if, indeed, it was the work of one person, he had more than a little support.
If nothing else, the incident demonstrates the degree to which the issue of immigration has escalated into a highly charged crisis. And part of the reason is that Washington’s handling of the problem has represented the most bungled collection of misreads, misplays and misjudgments since the days of the Keystone Kops.
For those who don’t know these characters, and they predate me, even, the Keystone Kops were an insanely incompetent police force that were hilariously depicted in Mack Sennett’s slapstick, silent film farces from 1914 to the early 1920’s.
While our immigration folks at the federal level may not be insane, there’s every reason to call their competence into question. And that goes for the administration and Congress as well, who, together, have created a leadership vacuum of epic proportions.
Because of the resulting inaction, states are now increasingly taking matters into their own hands. An LA Times article cites a new report by the National Conference of State Legislatures, indicating that 171 immigration bills were enacted at the state level in the first six months of 2007, compared with 84 for the same period in 2006.
The government report goes on to say, “In the continued absence of a comprehensive federal reform…states have displayed an unprecedented level of activity and have developed a variety of their own approaches and solutions.”
The problem, in the eyes of some experts such as Tamar Jacoby, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is that these laws probably won’t work, and may only serve to make life miserable for a lot of people.
While most of the new laws impose restrictions in the areas of employment, education and healthcare, a few actually address the poor living and working conditions of the immigrants.
A Texas measure is aimed at protecting immigrants against human trafficking and a new California law extends benefits - including housing and income support - to immigrant workers.
For the most part, however, the states are getting involved because of the burden being imposed on them by the added costs of services to the illegals, according to Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, an organization that favors restrictions on immigrants.
The problem is even being addressed, although not always successfully, at the community level as well. Hazleton, Pennsylvania is a good example. In that city, the mayor had repeatedly cited a May, 2006 murder as the impetus for one of the country’s strongest measures against illegal immigrants. As a result, the city council approved an act that would penalize landlords that rent to illegal immigrants and employers who hire them.
Then, lo and behold, the situation became even more emotional when the murder charges against the two illegal immigrants that started the whole thing, were dropped in July. This prompted one ACLU official to say “This dismissal of charges adds to the long list of discredited claims (the mayor) has made in demonizing undocumented immigrants.”
And, as a final note on this matter, seemingly appropriate for such a tangled subject, a federal court, in late July, struck down the city’s new law, entirely.
Meanwhile, aside from the $3 billion it allocated for more fencing and other enforcement measures, the federal government has failed in its efforts to pass comprehensive immigration legislation.
Furthermore, its bureaucratic handling of the situation has been severely flawed.
Recently, there was the fiasco with the new travel requirements, which was so poorly planned, it had to be scrapped after it was put into effect.
And now it looks like another train wreck may be approaching. Last week, federal officials announced a new crackdown that would impose stiff penalties on businesses that did not fire their illegal workers.
The Department of Homeland Security says it will shortly issue a rule describing how businesses will be expected to act when there are discrepancies in a worker’s tax records.
The intended targets of this effort are those who have taken on bogus social security numbers. Under the new rules, when discrepancies arise, employees would have a limited time to contact the Social Security Administration, or face termination of their jobs.
However, while this might seem reasonable on its face, it may well result in an avalanche of unintended problems. According to last week’s press reports, many of the discrepancies that are embedded in the social security information are benign, involving misspellings and incorrect birthdates.
An article in last Friday’s LA Times reported that there are an estimated 12.7 million perfectly legal U.S. citizens, alone, who have errors in their records. The crush of people trying to correct the mistakes could well overwhelm the Social Security offices in much the same way that the new travel regulations swamped the passport offices earlier this year.
Overall, there were 25 million wage reports received last year by the Social Security Administration, where the names did not match the SS numbers, according to a Homeland Security spokesman. A substantial number are thought to involve native born citizens.
Beyond the chaos that could occur as people attempt to correct the records, some experts fear that the new regulations may also have the effect of leaving farmers without workers to pick the crops, restaurants without cooks and dishwashers, and small businesses without a ready source of casual labor.
A similar concern has also been expressed for the construction, janitorial and landscaping industries.
Furthermore, businesses are concerned that they may be caught between the pressure to fire someone over a mistaken record, and the possibility of a wrongful termination suit.
However, despite the potential problems, and the possible lack of planning as to the handling of them, the process is moving forward, and, at this point it seems inevitable that it will at least be implemented.
We can only hope that it doesn’t turn out to be another incompetent chapter in the saga of the Immigration Kops.
As for the overall problem, there appears to be no easy solution. The final law, if it is ever passed, may well end up being a compromise that won’t please many.
The one certainty, however, is that the longer it takes to develop a new comprehensive legislative package, the more chaotic the situation will become.
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Comments: 192
Here in Georgia strict laws have been passed...we have a real problem with illegals here...and the illegals are really hurting the immigrants that are here legally. My daughter's class last year (4th gr) had kids from several different countries (didn't speak English either). It's hurting my daughter's education...and our schools in general.
Janet "Jax" B., Aug 8, 2007, 12:32am EDT
thanks for sharing
Angela W., Aug 8, 2007, 12:38am EDT
Our Congress is so messed up it isn't funny. These guys couldn't get together to pass gas let alone legislation. Each party is so worried about getting the upper hand that they fail to put the big issues of the AMERICAN PEOPLE that need to be resolved ahead of their petty partisan squabbles.
What PO's me is that legislation on immigration reform was raised a few years back, as was global warming and the current administration has put it's head into the sand and focused only on the war of terror. Bush and co. has essentially said to heck with all other issues.
Matt O., Aug 8, 2007, 12:47am EDT
ugh... I hate this topic, I just get too worked up about it!
I think that we need to get the illegal immigration to pretty much stop altogether. And kick the ones who are here out, no exceptions.
Heather P., Aug 8, 2007, 1:06am EDT
I am very confused as to who is supporting which aspect of the contentions around immigration and illegals. There is sure a lot of emotion involved, much I suspect generated by the various media coverages of the 'marches' a while back.
I seems to me to be more of a tempest in the tea pot thing than anything else ... and playing out as fear induced reactions ... I think the whole matter is being engineered from some high level that has things in mind that we are not meant to know about ... such as the coming North American Union ... that being why the neocon administration is not wanting to fence the borders ...
Jerry K., Aug 8, 2007, 1:56am EDT
I think that many of us want something done about the illegal immigrant situation because it taxes the legal American an untold amount of money but most of us know not what to do. If we can't come up with plans how can we expect our legislators to know what to do. Perhaps there should be some forums formed so that we can discuss the issue and really find some workable solutions.
Mischelle T., Aug 8, 2007, 2:09am EDT
Zero on the payroll, Timothy...
Thanks for sharing that info, Janet...
Good observations, Matt...
You have a lot of company, Heather....
Jerry, your "tempest in a teapot" theory is interesting....Personally, I've found it to be the most emotionally charged issue out there...
That would be an interesting approach, Mischelle....Maybe it would finally get our politicians moving on the issue...
Thanks for your comments, Timothy and Clarke....
With regard to that awesome photo you show at the beginning, I remember that there were gatherings around the country for something like immigrant's day and during most of those events, not only did trouble ensue, but the illegals (or legals) were tearing up American flags and only carrying Mexican flags.
I am just done with the whole thing. I wish someone would lock down the borders and just figure out what to do with what is here.
The immigrant family is such a diverse group that the reality of containment of the border crossing for a job vs border crossing to sell drugs is a reality that needs to be brought together by the various families of each. However, that reality isn't in the mind of the main thread of the folks in the US and those families, as they have the history of the 'good of the nation' on their side. The balance of the 'good or the nation' folks vs, the immigrant worker in a family working to make a living here in the US only for the money they can be paid. This is also in counter balance with the drug smuggler that is paid by funds from wealthy lawyers in LA is a difficult thing for the 'good of the nation' population to grasp. But there still is a difference in why the person immigrated into the US.
We are victims of our own greed and short sightedness. At some point our great Federal Lawmakers put into legislation that our Nintendo playing kids couldn't do the Jobs, Most of the ones you Posted in your article because it might scare them for life to learn about the Value of a Dollar before they go to College. The greed stems from our businesses that are profiting from the low cost of the Illegal Labor Force. The only reason people are yelling at this point is because the problem directly effects them, (Losing Jobs to Lower paid Illegals and loss of benefits). What we need to start asking is When Is Enough Money Enough and at What Cost to the workers? People want to make this issue about the poor Illegal Imigrant coming to America to find a better life. What we should be asking is Why cant the Illegals find a better life in there own Country? Has anyone stoped to think about what it has taken to make this Great Nation in less than 300 Years?? Most of the Nations that represent the mass of Illegal Imigrants have been around much longer than the USA. Why cant they get it right? Why should our system pay for there corruption in there governments and police? When are other nations going to start standing up to the injustices of there nations? Do you think allowing them open range to our Country is the answer to any of these questions? We as Americans need to quit looking out for only our backyards and the fences we put around them. Its time to start looking out for the good of the Taxpaying American (Legal Citizens) and that is collectively all of us who are here (Legally). Does anyone know how much in business we as Americans sent to Mexico and China Last year in the amount of Dollars and if yes how much of that money got to the Guys producing the goods we are buying back from them? I know China is paying 30 cents an hour and Malaysia is paying 12 cents an hour for labor. Im not sure what the average Joe is getting in Mexico but im sure its not much. Point is where is all the money going in those countries? America needs to stop being the Handout Nation of the World and start making other countries stand on there own two feet and take care of there people.
The Basic Pilot Program is a good start in weeding out the Companies who hire Illegals and the Illegals themselves. Right now there are 5 states that have adopted and put into law the Basic Pilot Program. What I see happening is if enough of the United States put into law the Basic Pilot Program the Federal Law Makers will have to follow suit if they want any continuety in the program. We as Legal Americans Citizins need to contact our Political Reps and let them know our opinions about there inactions to fix this festering Issue.
Cesar Chaves was the founder of the United Farm Workers Union. He unionized the Undocumented workers who harvested crops in the fields of California And Arizona in the late 1970's. Some people credit him with the amnesty policy of the Regan Era. He is honored in many ways, Schools are named after him, social centers, private, non profit and government supported are named after him. Yet, his life's work was UNIONIZING ILLEGAL ALIENS. My brain is having a tough time wrapping around this.
As far as the flag issue that is just blatent disregard for our Flag and it absolutely kills me to see that. Right here in the little town I live in we have a grocery store that flys the Mexican flag and has Red White and Green banners flying all over it. The labels in the store are in Spanish. Doesn't anyone see the problem with this???? I will leave my Country because Im Oppressed and then come to yours and fly the flag of the Country I left in the middle of the night. Sorry but I dont get it!
What part of ILLEGAL is not understood?
The movement toward a NAU is the most dangerous thing to our National Sovernity sinse NAFTA. If we the people don't do something about it NOW we will no longer have a United States.
Check out my article "The NAFTA Highway and Why We Don't Want it" Then check out my articles on Ron Paul
http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_02_27/article.html
These videos were filmed in California during the marches and subsequent protests. Please watch them......As they will be coming to a neighborhood near you very soon!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM
Notice the Mexican flags. Notice the "Europeans go home" signs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ivs0mz1ok
Hear them screaming...."Whose streets......Our Streets"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uhua9tnZNo
Illegals take down US flag and put up Mexican flag during protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCVUot-hBo
This is one of your favorites," This country is a nation of immigrants." The answer.....No this country is a nation of United States Citizens, immigrants do not make up the base of this country. And another thing, now that we're on the subject, illegal aliens don't belong in this country period. If they want to come to this country...sign-up and line-up.One more thing Elizabeth, it takes a citizen to make a citizen..... unless they sign-up and become a citizen through the legal system. Why don't you bring some YouTube for rebuttle, you know, the ones that tell us why it's so great to have these illegal invaders in our country.
The whole thing about the army of illegal invaders is a red herring. Yup, there are a lot of people who entered this country illegally. Why do you think they did that? I'm guessing that they figured they had a chance of finding a job. The obvious next question is "Why do you think they were so sure they'd find a job?" The answer, it seems to me, is that employers are eager to hire them.
If there's a problem the problem is that there are a lot of employers who want to hire people to work a lower wages than they'd probably have to pay an American citizen.
You have to ask yourself, "Who's worse, the employer who wants to hire illegal immigrants at substandard wages in preference to American citizens or the person who sneaks into this country to get a job at substandard wages?"
It seems to me that there are two groups of people who are getting hurt here, American citizens who are being deprived of jobs because employers want cheaper labor and the people who enter the country illegally in order to earn a substandard wage. The people who are benefiting are the employers. They get cheap labor and the people they hire won't complain about pay or working conditions because they're afraid of being deported. Sounds like a sweet deal for the employers.
Two different breeds of red herrings. Your relatives I would bet came into this country through Legal Means. We are talking about Illegal Imigrants, Not legal.
Lyndon,
Question is how are you talking in a Vacuum?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl5F-bffqk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYyDLLfeP8&NR=1
Now this is invective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Ovem7fdjQ
How mnany of these poor down trodden people do you have in you neighborhood, I've got 9,000 of these gang bangers in my neighborhood.
I take it you also don't like America, as don't your counterparts.
I doubt my mom's family did anything but get on a ship where they started and get off the ship when it landed here. Things were different back before the US was a country. My father's parents went through Ellis Island.
My wife's mother's family came to South Dakota from Norway via Canada in the late 1800s. I'm not sure what they had to do in order to cross the border. Her father's family came around the Horn and settled in California around the time of the gold rush. I'm not sure what they had to do either.
Any of us may have an ancestor who entered the country illegally. Maybe not but you never know.
My ancestors that came here from the Netherlands boarded a ship in France and was in the belly of that ship for close to three months where it docked in New Orleans. They were processed through Imigration and continued up the Mississippi River (Hope I spelled that right) and settled in Missouri as Farmers. One of my Grandfathers was born on that ship durring the crossing. The conditions on that ship was deplorable. The point here is that when they signed there names on the dotted line at the Imigration office after a barage of quarenteens and medical checks they became Legal Citizens of the United States of America. They no longer had the designation Imigrant, Legal or Illegal. Have you noticed there is no designation of Illegal American like Hispanic American, African American, Caucation American, Native American. Notice the common denominator (AMERICAN). An Illegal Imigrant still belongs to his or her Soveriegn Nation as long as they are designated Illegal Or as some would like to say Undocumented.
All that I ask is that when coming to my country, please observe the rules, and if you want to stay, sign-up. Now, whats so hard about that? Superiority doesn't even play into this dilemma. Do you honestly believe that when a foreigner acquires a job in the United States that his employer is looking to feel superior to that person or do you think that he wants to know if that person is here legally?
"Yet, his life's work was UNIONIZING ILLEGAL ALIENS. My brain is having a tough time wrapping around this."
You have been misinformed about Cesar Chavez. He formed a union with "LEGAL" immigrants. In fact, his union boys would beat down the "ILLEGALS" with bats and clubs whenever they found them working on U.S. soil. The very fact that you and others don't know the facts is exactly what the pro-illegal immigrant people are counting on when they use Cesar Chavez' name to further their agenda. I can tell you for certain he was AGAINST illegal immigration of anykind, and especially from Mexico. Right now he's probably turning in his grave!
"What do you think an immigrant is? It has nothing to do with legal status."
I beg to differ. It DOES have everything to do with legal status. There are only two types if "immigrant', "legal" and "illegal". Legal immigrants come here like Bruce's ancestors did, i.e. "PROCESSED through immigration, "QUARANTEENED",
"MEDICALLY CHECKED" etc., NEVER obtaining a status of being illegal. Illegal immigrants come here having gone through NONE of the above thereby creating their own "illegal" status. So, to call an ILLEGAL immigrant simply an immigrant is to try to justify their illegal presence here in the U.S., which is what you are doing. But then, you already know that...don't you?
"The question remains unrebutted -- how does it hurt children to go to school with foreigners? Calling me names and referring me to Youtube videos doesn't rebut that question."
Where have you been? Our schools (in some areas) have had to lower the standard curriculum just to pass non-English speaking kids. Do you think that would hurt your kids in the long run? It's commonly referred to as "the dumming down of America".
They won't give you " pox-infested blankets". Just TB, Leperocy, polio, and other diseases.
Don't ya just LOVE it when these pro-illegal fools try to use the Native Americans, and how this country was stolen by "illegal" immigrants? This guy's a real example of having been "dumbed down", don't you think?
I think I made him cry!
You are 100% correct about Cesar Chavez-----he definitely did NOT support illegals-----and he did resort to physical means of stopping them when nothing else worked!!
Wikopedia gives an excellent history of Cesar Chavez------he was definitely a very decent and admirable man.
These people don't even know the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants.
They do not have facts/stats------and they believe all of the BS that is being put out there by the illegals and their supporters.
They are not even aware that the majority LEGAL immigrants----including LEGAL Latinos do NOT support rewarding the illegals in any way whatsoever. They also demand that our borders be closed/secured and our current immigration laws be enforced.
Maybe they should check out this organization "You Don't Speak for Me"-----which is made up of LEGAL Latinos who are totally against rewarding the illegals in any way whatsoever!!!
www.dontspeakforme.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxcAJZlv90o&mode=related&search=
I'm with you H.G. these pro-illegal people must have an ulterior motive for wanting the invasion of the U.S. I know that it can't be property that they own and want to sell it to the illegals. They tried that here with the giving out of the matricular consular cards hoping that it would give them the chance to buy homes in America. Well it flopped, and now all those mortgage companies that made deals with them are all going belly-up.
Yep...foreclosures are everywhere!
Hi! Brenda!
You are clueless-----I bet you would be singing a different tune if your job is given to an illegal----or your wages are decreased due to illegals.
I bet the sympathy would disappear if your SS number or identity is stolen by an illegal-----they take out thousands of dollars in loans and ruin your credit!! Or, you get a knock on the door by the IRS for thousands of dollars of back taxes that you owe---because an illegal was using your information----and you are the one stuck dishing out the money to pay for attorneys and everything else so that maybe 5 years later everything is straightened out.
Or, maybe one of your family members will be raped, robbed, involved in a car crash with a drunk illegal----or murdered by an illegal-------who has been arrested 5 times previously using a different name-----and then just slid back over the border until everything cooled down.
You are also right about the schools!!
---US citizens are paying taxes to have decent schools. Yet, they are letting illegals---or the children of illegals----attend these schools on the tax payers dime.
Then, instead of this money being used to provide equipment, teachers, programs, etc.------it is being used to provide tutors, translators, ESL classes, etc. for the children of illegals!!!
Then, in order for the schools to continue to receive funding through "No child left behind"----they have to dummy down their programs/grading scales, etc.-----so that the children of the illegals can pass----as the funding they receive is based on the grades and the number of students who pass.
There was someone on another site who was from Mississippi-----which is an area that has been hit real hard by illegals----due to Katrina. She said that her son just started kindergarten last year. She said that because of all of the illegals the schools are now overcrowded-----her son's kindergarten class was actually held in a trailer!!!
Hi HG!!
I have a better idea! Go check out his/her homepage and read all his/her comments. This guy/girl seems to insult everyone that he/she doesn't agree with.
First, they had to have money to begin the process.
They had to fill out mounds and mounds of paperwork and wait in line
They had to have health checks/screenings
They had to prove that they would not be a burden for other citizens or society as a whole
They got here and learned the language, assimmilated, and became part of the melting pot.
They did not demand that the flag of their homeland be flown, they did not demand that everyone else learn their language, they did not expect special treatment/accommodations-------they became AMERICANS.
Yep! Facts are facts! I work for a school district here and I see it all first hand.
Currently, we are losing jobs and having our wages lowered due to illegals-----now the Dems passed bills that we also have to pay for their healthcare, welfare, WIC, foodstamps, etc.
It is just getting unbelievable------like living in a scene from the Twilight Zone!!
When these clueless people finally wake up and get a clue-----it is going to be too late!!
ABSOLUTELY!
Do you guys now see why I hit these people straight between the eyes instead of engaging in reasonable debate with them?
I am definitely a hit them between the eyes person as well. It is now getting too important and urgent to engage in debate and coddling.
What really irritates the s**t out of me is that the pro-illegal side, bleeding hearts etc. don't take the time to research and investigate what's really going on. To them, it's a game of argument for the sake of argument. If they really cared they would spend a little time learning the truth and not tending to their bleeding hearts. I agree if they don't wake up soon, it WILL be too late!
Yep, you are right exactly-----the majority of the pro-illegal people live in small, rural communities----and have met less than 20 illegals------so they have no clue as to the true facts/stats and magnitude of the problem.
Fences: if employers comply with labor laws surrounding illegals...and state and federal laws already in place are withheld...we wouldnt need higher, longer fences.
The fence is a ...a trojan horse. It cant be built without the labor it's supposed to ride off..
"What really irritates the s**t out of me is that the pro-illegal side, bleeding hearts etc. don't take the time to research and investigate what's really going on. To them, it's a game of argument for the sake of argument."
I agree 100%
That is why I continually refer to them as clueless. They do not bother looking at real info/facts/stats-----and use the BS that is being presented by the illegals, La Raza, some of our politicians, and all other illegal supporters-----to base their decisions.
I for one, just as many people, are suspect of these people's motives. Have you ever wondered just how many of these people are being paid to blog here and spread propaganda in support of illegal immigration and the trade imbalance with China in an attempt to sway public opinion?
There is no debating with these people. They are willing to sell us out on the turn of a dime.
Hey bro! where ya been? I'm gonna have to tag off to you now since it's time to hit the rack. This lyndon probably won't be back till tomorrow, since I made him cry. Besides it will probably take him that long just to think of something to say! LOL!
You both are absolutely correct...and thank you!
Yep, you are right......Lift up the red carpet so that they cannot get jobs, welfare, WIC, foodstamps, medical, etc.------and they will leave and quit coming!!
Below is what Republican (Libertarian) Dr Ron Paul has to say
Border Security and Immigration Reform
"The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That's a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods."
I think he has it all under control all we have to do is elect him.
I like Ron Paul as well-----but the powers that be do not want him or Tancredo to get into office.
Our best chance/choice may end up being Mitt Romney.
The Iowa straw polls will be on August 11-----I guess that we will know a little more at that time!!
I agree with you.....These people do no research/investigating----regurgitate everything that is being said by the pro-illegals, politicians, etc.----and then simply form their opinions.
They use the same method for forming their decisions regarding China----the unfair trade balance, currency manipulation, and them sending us defective/poisoned imports.
Did you hear that China is now threatening us---due to the US getting a little tough regarding trade??
I also agree that the site probably uses some paid plants to try to sway opinions.
David is just relaxed and at ease in his gated community in Southern California-----no worries for him.
You need to check out my recent article as well as my recent comments on the subject.
Answer : It does not hurt at all.
As long as they are here legally.
Personally I love immigrants.(as most anti illegal immigrant folks do).
Some of the best and hardest workers I have ever known are legal immigrants.
Elizebeth,
When my ansectors left the imigration screening in New Orleans they were Caucation Americans. (Legal AMERICANS). What dont you get?
Brenda, Tim, Bob, H.G.,
Been doing some thinking about the Illegal Problem. With all the technology we have today our legislators should enact a Law that every Illegal found here in America should have there DNA taken and put on file. Once they are deported all persons applying for Legal Status or a Visa has to go through a DNA check. If they are found to have been here Illegaly in the past they not be given the right to apply for Citizinship. I know this is only part of a solution but we realy need to get the problem of our Southern Border taken care of immediatly. A 50 ft. wall with a mine field on both sides.
Let me guess, Your an Illegal from a Communist block country and your still licking your wounds over the cold war you lost in your infinate wisdom by us ignoramouses??? Right???? Your Pathedic. If you hate this Country so much go spread your Ignorance somewhere it will be appreciated, Like China.
I appreciate the comments from Lisa Bouzan, Karl, et al... and way too many to address individually. And besides, most of you were directing your comments to each other, except Lisa who made some great points, Karl and Bruce, who both also made some good points and Timothy...(LOL Timothy)....If I missed anyone else who directed a comment to me, I'm sorry...
"this is the number one issue in the country, although I wish the war was. I think the thing is that this affects more people more directly than the war."
Yes, it affects more people than the war.
Plus, it is the fact that these people are on US soil------after invading our country, now DEMANDING that we just let them take it over.
Plus, it is all of the injustices against US citizens---------
--US citizens are expected to follow the laws, illegals get to choose which laws they want to follow.
--US citizens have to pay for car registrations, insurance, etc.-----and are fined/jailed if they do not------illegals are given a pass regarding these inconveniences for them.
--US citizens have to pay for health insurance------illegals get to use our hospitals/clinics/ERs, etc. in order to receive FREE healthcare
--US citizens pay school taxes-------yet the money that should be going to programs, teachers, tools, etc for the children of LEGAL citizens----who pay the taxes----is now being spent on tutors, translators, ESL classes, etc. for the children of the illegal invaders.
--If a US citizen is caught committing document fraud, identity theft, etc.-----they are facing jail time. Illegals get a slap on the wrist, or nothing!!
--If a US citizen needs to apply for any type of social benefit-------they have numerous hoops to jump through, must provide document after document as proof----illegals are not convenienced in that way-----in most instances, they are not even allowed to question their citizenship status.
I could go on and on!!
Have you noticed Numbers USA kind of falling off on persueing issues? Can you offer some other sights to go to for that kind of interaction with Political agenda's? Thanks in advance.
Here is another GREAT organization........They are close to the size of numbers and are also very active.
http://www.alipac.us
Did you hear the latest news about the 4 teens who were gunned down in NJ?? CNN just did a news conference----one 15 year old Hispanic teen was arrested (considered a citizen)-----but it sounds like the others might be ILLEGALS!!!
"You doorknobs didn't hit anybody between the eyes. You're all asleep at the wheel of your sissymobile. Your real enemies are the ones you're all bent over for and guiding in. Of course you've been trained to think like your inbred folks but you're all sitting ducks with your cheeks spread trying to top each other in a contest to see is the simplest sucker. Your cowardice will shine through and your ignorant talk will choke in your throats log-jammed up against the phallus of your bosses."
Is THIS the best you can do after all this time? Hell, I was hoping you'd turn out to be a mental GIANT, now I'm disappointed that I've wasted my time talking to a mental PYGMY! Did you ever make it past high school? Or are you on the 20 year plan?! ROFLMAO!!
Are those the ones that were shot "execution style" in the schoolyard?
cecile
Very well said...and true! It is unfortunate that so many people in the U.S. still don't 'get it'! Who will they bame when this country becomes a Socialist Republic, run by the rich elitists who's only concerned with money and power? Will they still blame us "racist xenophobes"? Will they enjoy paying tax money to the U.N.?
Hi HG!! Yes, those were the teenagers who were shot execution style at the elementary school!!
It "sounds" like the 15 year old might be an anchor baby and the 31 year old is an illegal from Equador!! They are still looking for other suspects!!
The elections still provide hope!!
Even if we do not get Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, or Mitt Romney in office as president----as long as we get enough pro-USA politiicans in the House and Senate we can still win this!!
And we will NEVER give up until we do!!
cecile
lemmings! Since you've come up with a new card to play...Nationalism is a mental illness, What happen to all the old phrases that communists like to play? Racist cards,God cards, Guilt cards, (Where's Timothy when you need him?) cards of all the old phrases that Answer people like to play. You are an Answer person, aren't you? WE know who I am, I'm a bigot because I live by a creed. And now I have a new mental illness because I love America and believe in its sovereignity. Lets "see" if you know who you are Lyndon.
I hear that the people in the European Union are not happy with their new status. I am sure they have good reasons. There are good reasons that we will not be happy with being part of such a union as well. Peace be with you.
cecile
Where exactly is Galesburg?
I find it out that you spell Amerika instead of America-----is there a reason for that??