For All the Gun Control Advocates (Cheshire, CT murders)

I can see, why the NRA and their zealots fought so hard for assault rifles and paid so much in bribe money in Washington. Those poor deer and ducks sure are a dangerous bunch and only an assault rifle can even up the odds.

I have to agree that Gun control is no the answer to this type of problem. Guns themselves do not kill, it is the person behind the gun that kills... There are tons of gangs in the united states and the guns they own are not your typical guns used for hunting etc... and if guns were banned, there would be a bigger black market selling guns and you will still have almost every household owning one, they just would not be open about owning them.

And maybe if the homeowners had guns, the father of the family would be dead too.

This is fact. It has nothing to do with logic. The most horrendous murders in this state's history were perpetrated last week without the use of guns. In fact, if you do read the horrible way these people died, it would have been preferable if they had been shot!

Your comment reveals you are not familiar with the story, but merely wished to give your knee jerk response to your stand on gun control. Your statement shows no thought process at all, just an accusation of faulty logic on my part and your opinion which you have backed up with ZILCH!

Modern guns can shoot so many people in such a short matter of time.

In the old days a crazy guy might get a knife and only a few people would get stabbed before he was taken down. Now crazy people get guns that do so much damage before anybody has a chance to blink.

And then there's urban gang people who have such easy access to guns it's almost like the system is set up for them.

So many gun deaths are kids in the home of the owner, their parent. Guns in the home can be a very bad idea. Homes can be very volitile environments, depending on the home.

We need to control guns like we control the other things that kill people. A LOT of people in the U.S. are killed and wounded from guns, accidents and on purpose.

We need to close the loop holes of strawman buyers. It easy to buy weapons and gun shows where little if any paper work is required. It is from these loops holes where most of the guns that gangs use in their illegal endevours come from.

I can see, why the NRA and their zealots fought so hard for assault rifles and paid so much in bribe money in Washington. Those poor deer and ducks sure are a dangerous bunch and only an assault rifle can even up the odds.

I guess a conversation with Juan might go something like,

"Gee, Juan, nice day today isn't it?" his wife asks. Juan answers, "Well that monsoon they had in Oshkosh last week scared the hell out of me."

Elizabeth, that is pure speculation backed up by nothing. If I were that man and all my family had been murdered, I'd probably want to be dead anyway. The poor guy is practically comatose from their beating.

Peter, it's not the old days anymore. When we have recipes for making bombs on the Internet as available as your favorite cake recipe, guns should be far less worrisome to you.

When people learn that it's the criminal and not the weapon that is the danger to them, only then will we begin to address the right issues that will reduce incidences of crime.

People get shot in my city a lot.

No bombs yet going off, here, even with internet recipes.

I like the movie Bowling For Columbine. It really didn't have any answers but it just raised lots of interesting questions. Why do we shoot each other so much in the U.S.? Canadians have a lot more guns, their urban areas are denser, and they just don't have the gun problem we do - and there is no answer anybody can figure out.

I grew up with guns (growing up on a farm) and I never once could hit one of those dang clay pigeons!

I bet if I had a snappy light weight little modern gun that let me shoot off five bullets in one second I'd have had a better chance, ha ha.

I agree...guns are not the issue here. I belive every American has the right to bare arms. I will fight to keep this right.

LOL!!

The NRA and their supporters are always trying to skew the issue. As Evie commented, control is the issue not elimination. How is making anyone with an assault rifle fill out some paper work an intrusion on their right to bare arms?

They should have to do A LOT more than that! They should HAVE to learn gun safety and be forced to practice practice practice. So that when they pull that thing out they don't blow away a couple of baby carriages by accident.

Guns are very dangerous. They SHOOT!

The right to bare arms!!!!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

Please share the statistics on "carry" states....The "carry" state that I live near, Virginia, has a lot more crime than Maryland does.

Look if someone wants to get some weapons and do another Columbine or Virginia Tech they're probably going to find a way to do it. And if someone at Virginia Tech would have been armed that day they could have stopped that nut case from shooting so many of the people there.

We're not talking about giving guns to some crazy people to go on a killing spree. We're talking about letting good law abiding citizens have the right to protect themselves and their families in an ever increasingly dangerous society. What do you possibly have against that?

If you libs would do more than listen to NPR you might have heard the stories about people who have saved themselves and their families by using a gun to shoot an intruder or at least scare one away. You'd be surprised at what just firing off a warning shot can do. Crime rates have gone down in right to carry states and more states are passing the law. Those states that have a right to carry law haven't become like the wild west either.

If a worse case scenario happens you libs can go ahead and try to reason with the criminals and I hope that works out for you. But I'd bet that just about every victim who has been kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered begged for their lives and it got them nowhere.

So, go ahead and chit chat with your assailants but stop trying to take my right to own a firearm away from me! Someday your butt might be saved by someone who carries a gun.

I say we should have the right to bear arms! Anyone who is crazy or a criminal can not pass the permits questionnaires here in Texas; and thus can not legally possess one. If someone wants one bad enough they will find the way to get one through the black market.

Just this morning, around 4:00 a.m., an armed homeowner opened fire on FOUR gun-wielding intruders who had broken down the front door to his home.

One intruder was killed, one is in critical condition in a local hospital, one is in custody, and one is at large and believed to be wounded.

The homeowner, and his wife and two small children were unharmed.

Oh, this is in Dallas, by the way - not terribly far from where I live.

I rest my case.

Peter,

"Why do we shoot each other so much in the U.S.? Canadians have a lot more guns..."

I don't know if you realize it, but you answered your own question.

An armed citizenry is the best deterrent against crime.

Good article, Sue! I agree with you.

I too live in CT and was horrified by this senseless murder by two lifetime cheap criminals who for some reason decide to escalate themselves into murders.
We don't know if the Doctor was or wasn't a gun owner. I don't know if he had a gun if it would have made a difference. No one who is going about their normal lives expects to be pearl harbored by a couple of thugs and have their lives destroyed.
I believe in law abiding citizen's right to bear arms.
I would suggest though that if this family had a few ominous looking dogs on the premises, these cowards would have thought twice about invading this home.

"odd how in all carry states crime is lower..."

Even more odd that having been asked you still haven't posted your NRA source for this information.

"Violent crimes are committed by violent people. It doesn't matter if they have guns or not."
Maybe not to you Sue . . . I'd rather not have violent people around me armed with firearms.

You need to license and register a car but to suggest you do it to a deadly weapon makes many claim that you want to allow only criminals to have guns . . . since they will, by definition, violate the law. It's a specious argument at best . . . if you make donuts illegal, only criminals will have donuts too. The 2nd Ammendment gives the right to keep and bear arms due to the need of a well regulated militia. So it can be regulated . . . and if you don't want to jump through the registration or licensing process that might be required or perhaps training on or off a range . . . then too bad. That's not the same as trying to "take your weapons".

By the way . . . should it be legal to keep and bear armor piercing bullets? Isn't that something you'd need to protect yourself from the military? How about surface to air missiles? Should we have the right to have at our disposal any weapon the military has since the 2nd Ammendment to give us the weapons is for our last line of defense in a well regulated militia . . . and that means after the military has failed us. Just curious . . . not smart-alecky . . . but where CAN you draw the line?

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

Evie,

In Australia the total homicide rate, after having remained basically flat from 1995 to 2001, has now begun climbing again. Hmmm....wonder why?

Over the past six years, the overall rate of violent crime in Australia has been on the rise – for example, armed robberies have jumped 166 percent nationwide.

The sweeping legislation, of 1997, that took so many guns off the streets in Australia, and cost the taxpayers some $500 million, sure looks like a good investment to me.

Perhaps you can still book a discount fare on Quantas? Maybe go check things out for yourself?

Me, I'm going to stay here in the U.S. where there has been a steady decrease in the rate of violent crimes.

Messirs Smith and Wesson will be staying with me, too.

If any of you would like information showing that right to carry laws decrease violent crimes look at the research of Dr. Gary Kleck. Dr. Kleck is a criminology professor at Florida State University, and has found the right to carry reduces the number of violent crimes.

Mike:
Nope. Read your Dr. Seuss comments with no trouble so your sarcasm is uncalled for. I see you still haven't posted your sources. My mind is made up of facts as I'm a truth seeker . . . you have provided . . . . ummmmm . . . let's count . . . oh yeah! ZERO facts. You made a statement . . . a source was asked for . . . it's still missing. What a shocker. Luckily Evie posts citations for her assertions. Perhaps you'd care to dispute those facts.

I see my questions are ALL unanswered. Maybe YOU should be reading. What a shocker.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

Evie...

Your stats are outdated. Read the WHOLE article, as I did.

I had actually read this before, but didn't cite it as the information only ran through 2000.

The info I posted was from a study done in 2003 by Gary Mauser of The Fraiser Institute.

If you have information more current than that, please post it.

You're right Mike . . . I'd believe your NRA data as much as you'd believe my www.stopgunviolence.org data. Point made. But WHERE, then, do you get your 'facts'? Honestly, I'd just like to take a look at them.

My questions aren't pontificating so much as they are extrapolating. Where, in fact, DO you draw the line? I'm curious where and why . . .

Agreed the right is to protect us from the government as well . . . but how does a Smith & Wesson protect you from a tank or bunker buster bomb? Aren't we outgunned in that regard?

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

Not quite Jim, violent ex-felons don't have the liberty to own guns and requiring training, licensing or registration also does not restrict your liberty. It's no more restrictive than your right to own and operate a car is it?

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

Throw a person in prison for the rest of thier life if they commit a violent act agaisnt someone, let them do it one time and let them rot in prison. That will solve the problem. Just take the garbage out. Free up the prison system of all the lame marijuana charges and lets make prison for real criminals who commit crimes against people, especially violent crimes.

GUNS SUCK!

The only way you can protect yourself in your home or in public is to have your hand on it at all times. The attacker always has the element of surprise.

Hey, how about we just shoot all the criminals?

Sorry guys. I'm pmsing today. Good thing I don't have a gun!

Thought the following article might provide an interesting perspective.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_169_28/ai_114475580/pg_1

The question that y'all need to ask yourself in the Cheshire incident, is would you want to meet those two sociopaths empty handed, or with a large caliber handgun? If you were the husband, would you want to defend your family with empty hands, or a shotgun?

I am always surprised by the number of people who place their faith in an inanimate object. Whether a gun is used to protect or to assault, many people seem to think a gun will increase their power over others. The gun doesn't know the difference, however. It can't tell who is good, who is bad. It only has one purpose: to harm. We would ALL be better off without them. BFS

John Lott, a lawyer and pro-guns, inspired me to write this poem:

Mr. Lott, What.......


Mr. Lott, what
makes you think
that "guns" need your
protective ink?

Why glorify,
with intellect,
a piece of steel
without affect?

Don't you know that fragile breath
conceives, creates,
while "guns" yield death?

Use your capa-
cious legal mind;
Defend not "guns,"
but humankind.

And then, when all
is said and done,
fear will have lost,
true courage won.

BFS 1999

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