On Monday, I was in Philadelphia to see John Edwards speak at both the NEA annual meeting and the ACORN presidential forum. On Tuesday, I posted a diary on his speech about education to the NEA. Today's diary covers his speech at the ACORN presidential forum. I can't think of anything more patriotic I could do for the fourth of July than publish a diary about John Edwards's and ACORN's efforts to help working Americans. (This is cross-posted from Daily Kos, where I posted it yesterday.)
ACORN is a community organization that works to support the needs of low and moderate income families and promote social justice. They are well acquainted with John Edwards, who traveled around the country with ACORN President Maude Hurd, long before he announced his campaign for the presidency, trying to get the minimum wage raised in various states. They were successful in six states. When the New York Times recently smeared John Edwards with nasty innuendo about his poverty work, in an article where they refused to talk to any of the beneficiaries of that work, ACORN president Maude Hurd stood up strongly for John Edwards. This is her statement:
As ACORN's president, I can personally attest that Senator Edwards has been a steadfast ally in this struggle - from raising wages to rebuilding the Gulf Coast.
Press stories that question Senator John Edwards' commitment to ending poverty require a strong response from those of us who spend our lives in that fight. ACORN is the nation's largest grassroots community organization working to eliminate poverty in America.
One of the best ways to end poverty is to pay workers fair wages. In the summer of 2005, I traveled with Senator Edwards to cities and states across the country, launching ballot initiative campaigns to raise the minimum wage above the shamefully low $5.15 an hour.
While Senator Edwards could have chosen to do anything else with his time, he chose to spend it on the road with low-wage workers and their allies who were fighting to lift workers out of poverty. Edwards worked directly with grassroots community-faith-labor coalitions on the ground, leading rallies and press conferences to galvanize public support and working outside the spotlight to help organize support and raise funds to bring wage increase proposals to the ballot.
Last November, voters rewarded the efforts of Edwards, ACORN and our allies by resoundingly approving six state ballot measures to raise the minimum wage. As a result, more than 1.5 million of the country's lowest-paid workers will get a raise. The ballot measures were just the most high-profile victories in a year that saw an unprecedented 17 states raise their minimum wage - many for the first time - including Edwards' home state of North Carolina.
This movement in the states helped create the public pressure for a long-overdue increase in the federal minimum wage, which was passed last month and will help another 12.5 million low-income workers make ends meet. In addition to his work to raise wages, Senator Edwards has made an ongoing commitment to work with ACORN and others in the struggle to rebuild the
Gulf Coast and help Katrina Survivors return home.
In making poverty the defining theme of his campaign, Senator Edwards has shown his true colors. It is a sad statement that someone working not only to raise the issue of poverty, but to offer ambitious solutions and his put his feet on the ground to end it -- is attacked rather than applauded.
Alicia Russell, the chairperson of Arizona ACORN, also lauded Edwards for his work with ACORN when she introduced him. Her state, Arizona, is one of the states where Edwards helped ACORN to get the minimum wage raised. It should be no surprise then that Edwards got an enthusiastic reception from ACORN members, who know his work well.
I want to thank Machka, who recorded the webcast and made the videos available on YouTube. Links are throughout this diary.
Edwards praised the Congress for recently raising the minimum wage nationwide, but said we have a lot more work to do. He announced that when he is president, he will raise the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour, and index it for inflation.
"I have a very simple view about this. I think that anybody working full time in the United States of America should not live in poverty. Period."
Just as ACORN has praised John Edwards, John Edwards praised them during his speech:
I have to be honest with you about something. I met with your board a few weeks ago. I was on the way over here looking for your agenda seeing if there's anything I -- there's nothing I need to study because your agenda is basically my agenda, and the things that I care about are the things that you care about. But I want to say one thing to all of you who are out there active, organizing, working. Sometimes people say to me, they say "ACORN: they get in your face, man!" And I say "GOOD! I hope they keep getting in your face. I hope they keep speaking out. I hope they keep standing up with backbone and courage for people in need someone to speak for them."
Edwards then went quickly through some of his proposals for ending poverty, including College for Everyone, supporting the right to organize and allowing workers to join unions by signing their name to a card, helping families to save, passing a national predatory lending law, true universal health care, and expanding the section 8 housing voucher program to provide more affordable housing. These are just some of his many excellent proposals, which he has laid out in detail on his website.
Edwards explains his College for Everyone program as follows:
"We say to every young person in America, graduate from high school, qualify to go to college, commit to work at least 10 hours a week your first year, we pay for your tuition and books. Very simple."
I find it disgusting that the mainstream media continues to smear John Edwards's dedication to fighting poverty. I have heard him speak on it many times, and I have seen what he has done on it, and I know he walks the walk. You can feel the depth of his passion for this issue when he says:
"This is the cause of my life. It always will be. You know, when we talk about these various policy ideas that all of us care so much about, and that you all have worked so hard on, and in some cases I've been able to work with you on, you know, it's a great thing to have policy ideas -- it is. But we need a President of the United States who wakes up every single morning and in their gut cares deeply about this cause. There are lots of issues facing the president. For example, ending this war in Iraq, which desperately needs to be done. But we need a president who wakes up every morning gnawing inside about ending poverty in America. You are looking at the candidate who has laid out a specific set of ideas and agenda to end poverty in America -- not to reduce it, to end it in the next 30 years, which I completely am convinced is achievable. We need a president who will go out on the White House lawn and say to America, to the entire country, that this is a huge moral cause for our country. It says something about the character of America what we're willing to do about the issue of poverty. It says something about America what we're willing to do about 37 million of our own people who wake up every single day worried about feeding and clothing their children. And I have to say to all of you, and I mean this, you know, Elizabeth and I had to make a decision a few months ago about what we're going to spend our lives doing. And we, like all of you, we've all faced these kind of challenges, we're faced with some serious challenges in our own family, but these causes, the plight of the poor, the disabled, the disenfranchised, all those who desperately need a voice in this country -- this is the cause of my life. It's the cause of Elizabeth's life. And I'm here to tell you, as long as I'm alive and breathing, I will stand up for that cause."
After a relatively brief speech, Edwards was asked a number of specific questions by ACORN leaders. The question-and-answer period was at least as important as the speech itself, and was a part of the program where people already familiar with Edwards's many proposals might gain new information.
The first question asked about the patchwork quality of government services, and the problem of people who are eligible for those services often not knowing about them. Edwards was asked if he would work with community groups like ACORN to reach out to and enroll everyone in the services that they are entitled to.
To paraphrase his answer, it doesn't do any good to have programs that people don't know about them. The responsibility for educating people about these programs should not just be left up to community groups like ACORN, but is the responsibility of the president of the United States.
The second question asked about protecting people's assets and stopping predatory lending practices.
Edwards said he would support federal predatory lending laws and would create a new consumer commission responsible for regulating and monitoring lenders. He said that beyond counseling for families in debt, we need a national home fund for families in danger of losing their homes.
Next, Maria Blanco from New York ACORN asked him about what provisions he would support for immigrants to become citizens.
He said he would consider it his responsibility as president to move the immigration reform issue forward. He considers it a moral issue, because we can't have a first-class group of citizens and a second-class group of laborers. He spoke of America as a nation of immigrants and proposed creating a realistic path to citizenship. He said it's not doable for prospective citizens to have to pay $10,000. He said there should not be a touchback provision, where immigrants have to return to their country of origin in the process of applying for citizenship, because this is not realistic for many. He would support having illegal immigrants pay a fine for having broken the law and require that immigrants who want to become citizens learn to speak English. He also would require better policing of our southern border.
Sonia Mercer Jones from Baltimore city asked him about rebuilding American cities. There were three parts to her question:
1. Would he support a requirement for community impact statements?
2. What would he do to expand affordable housing?
3. What would he do to expand public school programs?
Edwards said he would absolutely support community impact statements and that programs for cities need help everyone in the cities. He pointed out that, just like we have two Americas, most American cities also have two cities, where some residents are neglected.
He repeated his call for a million new section 8 housing vouchers and for rebuilding and restocking our affordable housing supply.
He also talked about making sure that all schools in America provide quality education, no matter where they are located, and about providing incentive pay for inner-city teachers.
Bertha Brown from Pennsylvania ACORN asked about improving income, wages, and working conditions. There were three parts to her question as well, but she noted that Senator Edwards had already answered one of them and thanked him for it.
1. She was going to ask about an increase in the minimum wage, but instead just thanked him for the promise he had already made.
2. Would he support the healthy family act, which would provide sick leave for people to take care of their family members ?
3. Would he support an increase in the earned income credit?
Edwards pointed out that he had also addressed number three already, but expanded his answer, saying that he would expand the earned income credit, get rid of the marriage penalty in it, and also expanded to single people.
He said that a healthy family act, which provides a minimum of seven days for workers to take care of sick family members was only asking for very low amount of time, and is the least that we can do.
Next, Tony from Texas ACORN asked about what he would do to rebuild New Orleans. While asking her question, she acknowledged that Edwards had already talked about this a little bit, and said they know about his commitment to this issue. In fact, several of the people asking questions indicated in one way or another that they already knew that Edwards was committed to their issues.
She asked him whether he would support the Gulf Coast housing act introduced by Senators Dodd and Landrieu, and also what he would do as president to help rebuild New Orleans?
Edwards talked about going to New Orleans with several hundred college kids, an effort in which ACORN was also involved, to work in New Orleans over spring break.
He said that nothing has changed in New Orleans except with the efforts of community groups like ACORN. He said that yes, he would support the Gulf Coast housing legislation, but he would go far beyond that.
As president, he would appoint someone to be responsible for making sure progress was made in New Orleans, and he would ask that person for their progress report every day, making sure that whatever needs to be done gets done.
He spoke of the need to make sure people's lives are restored, and said that he would put the people of New Orleans to work rebuilding it, so that residents could have jobs. He also said he would rebuild the levees.
The final question was about protecting the right to vote. Maxine Nelson from Arkansas asked the question and pointed out that there has been an organized campaign to keep people from voting, especially in minority areas. Her question also had three parts:
1. Will an Edwards Department of Justice to enforce the voter registration act?
2. Does he support the ballot integrity act introduced by Senators Feinstein and Dodd?
3. There have been false claims of voter fraud that were made in the past couple of elections as a way to suppress voting. Will John Edwards work with groups like ACORN to speak out on this?
Edwards gave a very strong answer on these questions, and it was particularly satisfying to me, because this is an issue I have been very concerned about.
He said he will work with ACORN to speak out against false claims of voter fraud. He noted that those false claims are nothing more than an excuse to keep legally registered voters from voting. He spoke of the need to make sure voter registration organizations are able to do their job, and said he would support the ballot integrity act. He spoke of the need to stop voter suppression, and added that we need to get rid of black box voting and vote on paper ballots, so that were sure that votes are getting counted. (Edwards is the first presidential candidate to call for open source voting on paper ballots, although he did not specifically mention open source in this speech.)
Hearing John Edwards speak is always delightful and refreshing, and the ACORN forum was another such experience.


Comments: 25
John Edwards is my choice for 2008 - he is the best choice for me.
Your coverage of this (and other) events is citizen journalism at its finest. Thank you.
burglars, in our history ? A major milestone just passed (defeat of S.1639 - the
Amnesty bill) and I couldn't find a word about it or the entire subject of illegal immigration (America's # 1 most important subject at this time).
Be advised - that with a continuation of the present (worsening) situation, we can forget almost all the issues Edwards describes important in his website.
Education ? Schools are overcrowded, school budgets are bursting. Health Care ?
We won't have any. Already hospitals are closing and reimbursements are raking our tax coffers. Create Jobs ? We're LOSING them. Minimum wage ? Wages are
plumetting with the ample supply of cheap labor constantly flowing in (AKA domestic
outsourcing). Addiction to foreign oil ? We're currently importing 60% of our oil.
What does anyone think adding 2 million more people/year to our already badly overpopulated 300 million+ does for that (and gas prices) ?
No candidate for president should even be mentioning the presidency without
a complete program for rectifying this immense problem. It's worse than Hubert
Humphrey not taking a position on the outrageous Vietnam War, yet they nominated him.
I get emailed petitions to sign from One.org that truly have managed to make a difference globally. One.org and Care, have a great voice.
For our own country I believe the Federal Minimum Wage has to be raised up at least by the 14% it's behind. Once the Federal Minimum wage is raised then the states would have to follow suit accordingly. The League of Women Voters has done studies on this issue I believe.
I am glad to hear about ACORN. And I finally have a candidate to choose.
Thank you.
If any of these people get into office, they will destroy our country!! We will have open borders, bilingual everything, more and more social benefits for illegals, etc.
Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney----are the best answer!!!
and now in 2007, we certainly shouldn't be, with our 300 million+ population.
Only 10% of us here are immigrants.
As for the word "burglar", that isn't a "name", it is an accurate description of what
is occuring in our nation, which by your refernce to it as a "name', indicates that you
are oblivious to what's taking place, today.
No problem. Probably most people are uninformed, too. According to the GAO,
$45 Billion/year is being removed from this country by remittances (foreign nationals
working here and sending their earnings back to their country). Another $62 Billion
is being lost from us through "human services" payouts ($35 billion to Mexico alone)
This is us paying Mexico's poverty bill, instead of Mexico paying Mexico's poverty
bill. This is all cleverly set up by Corporate Mexico to relieve them (billionaires) of
having to pay higher than the obscene 10% annual tax rate they pay. These Greed Freaks refuse to responsibly manage their country, refuse to provide job programs and a social safety net for their people. Instead, they deliberately send
their poor people here so that we, American taxpayers, will foot their bill, as long as
we're dumb enough to tolerate it. End result ? Over $100 Billion/year leaving our
economy and state & local treasuries and being re-inserted into theirs.
This, on an international scale, is like your neighbors enter your home, uninvited
and illegally, and while you inattentively sleep in anothr room, they clean out your
livingroom (TV, VCR, DVD, etc), remove your wealth, bring it over to their house and
re-insert it into their household. This is called burglary.
What Mexico is doing is the same, only internationally. Nothing new about it.
During the middle ages, thousands of wars were fought over this same thing. One
tribe would travel hundreds of miles to anther tribes village, pillage it, and remove
everything they could put in their sacks, that had wealth. Now it's done with poor
"immigrants' (invaders is actually a more proper description), who illegally obtain the
country's (USA) wealth, and wire it (courtesy of Bank of UnAmerica et al) back to Mexico where it is re-inserted into their economy. These remittances are Mexico's
#2 source of income, second only to their oil exports. The copycat countries (China,
Ireland, Poland, Russia, various LatinAmerican countries) have joined in too.
This is nothing less than the biggest international BURGLARY in world history.
$107 Billion/year - the Vikings would be envious. So would WWII era Japanese
imperialists (burglars) who tried to accomplish what Mexico and the copycats are doing now,but unlike today's international burglars, they were unable to occupy
our country with 12-20 million of their citizens and extract over $100 Billion/year of
our wealth for Japan's coffers, and they got nuked just for trying.
This all occured back in the days when we Americans had a backbone and were
willing to fight to defend what is ours, rather than just hand over to whatever foreign invaders come here, and demand our wealth. It's worthwhile to note the
magnitude of that sacrifice that we enjoy the benefit of today.
In Feb. 1945, 6,841 US Marines lost their lives IN 4 DAYS, in the battle of Iwo Jima.
2 months later, another battle, Okinawa, was even worse. This was all to stop from
happening the same thing that is now happening today. Occupation, language/cultural imposition, and economic burglary.
Brenda : you said it right. I've been a Democrat/Green Party all my life but right now, we need to get Bush out of the White House (for 100 reasons) and we don't need another open borders president. My #1 choice would be the reincarnation of
James K. Polk (our 11th president). Well, he died 158 years ago, so I guess I'll
settle for Tom Tancredo, and I don't care what party he's in (I'm a registered Independent now). I just want someone who will defend this country from all these
pillagers, primarily Mexico.
Mary H : I'm amazed that you are thinking that John Edwards will help the minimum wage situation. Yes I saw the video where Edwards called for a $9.50?hr
minimum wage. That's close to what I earn right now, and believe me, it's nowhere
near enough. As an activist in my city for 5 years, trying to enact a living wage
ordinance of $12/hour (1999-2004), I find Edwards' call for $9.50, unsatisfactory.
Incidentally, the thing which killed our living wage movement, was illegal immigration, which is causing wages to drop like a lead ball. Until 12-20 million
illegal aliens leave (by attrition), and new enforcement safeguards are installed,
including jail time for domestic outsourcers (employers of IAs), you can forget about
anything regarding the minimum wage.
I take it you copied and pasted from some right wing site, because your comment is almost unreadable due to poorly placed line breaks.
LEGAL immigrants----a big difference!!
They had to wait in line. They had to fill out mounds and mounds of paperwork. They had to have health/medical screenings. They had to prove that they would not be a burden on other citizens or society.
When they got here, they learned the language and began assimmilating. Their first words were not "where is the welfare office"? They did not demand that citizens accommodate their language/culture/customs.
I agree 9.50 isn't enough to live on (especially if you have daycare age children) , however its a start and sets a higher BASE nationally. For instance even though the federal minimum wage is currently in transition from 5.15 to a slow increase to 7.25 by summer 2009 (at yearly intervals...)Many STATES use that as a base and while federal is still at 5.15, Oregon STATE minimum wage is currently 7.80, California 7.50, NC at 6.15.. the list goes on. Edwards promise to raise it to 9.50 federally is a great start. With him it's not just a promise, he has a proven track record of his commitment and follow thru in this area.
In addition I just have to take a moment and address the ignorant argument I hear repeatedly about illegal immigrants running across our borders directly to the welfare office. This just isn't true. You are not eligible for ANY social service benefits in this country without PROOF of citizenship and documentation. If you do not have the documents you do not get benefits.. its that simple... I had to learn this the hard way right after hurricane Katrina while I was trying desperately to get medical assistance to my asthmatic daughter who had an upper respiratory infection. We were ineligible for benefits of any sort as evacuees because our documents were lost in the flood and during the evacuation. We had plenty of proof we were US citizens... old tax records, bank accounts, credit cards, school records, lease copies, so on... but we did not have birth certificates with us. We were out of luck.
This is a very strict requirement in our country that social services will not bend on. You have to have a social security card, birth certificate and photo id.
And as far as our ancestors ALL being legal immigrants... I just have to laugh at that one.Hysterically.... for a few minutes.... wait, just give me a sec to catch my breath.....United States History 101 should cover that argument. The current immigration system was not even established until 1952.
Whether immigrants in the past were "legal" or not, they built this country. All of us had ancestors who came here for many of the same reasons people are coming now - better jobs, better opportunity, or simply out of desperation or to escape persecution at home. We our turning our backs on our own national tradition if we are cruel to immigrants. Do we need to have some rules about it and keep some limits on immigration? Of course we do. But to spit on immigrants is to spit on our own ancestors.
NOLA ACORN, thank you for your comment and for setting the record straight about who is and is not eligible for social services in this country. That is certainly my understanding as well - you have to be a documented U.S. citizen.
I'm sorry about the trouble you and your daughter had after Hurrican Katrina, and I hope things are better for you now, though I know that progress in NOLA has been way way too slow, and that this is a shameful failure of our federal government and president.
"In addition I just have to take a moment and address the ignorant argument I hear repeatedly about illegal immigrants running across our borders directly to the welfare office. This just isn't true. You are not eligible for ANY social service benefits in this country without PROOF of citizenship and documentation."
You are clueless. Illegals buy any documents that they might need----as well as steal the SS numbers/identities of US citizens and LEGAL immigrants.
Also, once an illegal drops an anchor/jackpot baby on US soil------they then become eligible for welfare, foodstamps, WIC, medicare, low-income housing, etc.
"This is a very strict requirement in our country that social services will not bend on."
Only for US citizens or LEGAL immigrants.
words from one line to another and the fixing it, Whatever. Actually, I kind of like the (here I go - just did it right now) open spacing. Makes it a little easier to read.
As for "right wing site", I don't go there much, but as an Independent now, I
realize that the Right wing has some better things to say (which the left wing should be saying) than the left does, particularly regarding immigration, affirmative
action, gay "rights" and maybe a few other issues.
My views, as I expressed here shouldn't be thought of as "right wing". My positions on immigration are basically independent common sense. If anything they
could be considered left wing since they are in support of the American poor and
working class, who are the too often forgotten victims of illegal immigration (invasion). Likewise, the supporters of open borders are a right wing amalgam of
the Bush administration, sold out politicians like Trent Lott, Lindsey Gramnesty,
Mel Martinez, Corporate Mexico, and the worst elements of Corporate America - the
domestic outsourcers (employers of illegal aliens) who are abandoning our working
class, and boosting their profits with cheap foreign labor.
You seem to be saying that we are supposed to regard ourselves as a nation
of immigrants, and that we have no choice, we are compelled to accept that.
That is utter nonsense. The only thing we are compelled to do is what is right for
all of us, including the working class. What is right, right now is NOT the same as
what was right when we were accepting large #s of immigrants (LEGALLY) ie. from
1890 - 1920. Back then, our country was small and we needed people to help build
up the country. Now we are seriously OVERBUILT, terribly overpopulated, and it is
irresponsible and reckless to be promoting immigration (except for extreme shortage occupations - ex. doctors & nurses). Take a Geography course - my B.A.
If any of you, ACORN or whoever are really interested in the welfare of our country and the lower classes, the best thing you could be doing right now is what-
ever you can to repel the massive wave of illegal immigration (Invasion), which is
rendering all the things that Democrats (and the left) wish to do to help the lower
classes, as useless and noneffective. Stop Mexico from colonizing us.
I would characterize all those who call for open borders and legalization of the
12-20 million invaders plundering our wealth, as the NEW RIGHT, because that policy helps Corporate Mexico (Right wing), Corporate America (right wing) and the
Bush right wing administration. It hurts the American poor and working class who
are losing jobs, having wages and working conditions reduced, having tax budgets
slashed, and many other harms I mentioned in my 1st post in this column.
Lastly, if anyone studies the American settlement of North America, they'd see
that the great majority of land that European settlers (and descendents thereof)
settled, was nobody's land, where NO ONE was living for hundreds of miles.
So you can come up for air from the big race guilt trip, because even if the land
your ancestors occupied wasn't theirs, chances are strong that it wasn't occupied
or owned by anyone else either. Most of the land settled was forest land cut into
homesteads - very few Native Indian tribes lived in forests (almost none). And most
all encounters between Whites and Indians were friendly (including numerous intermarriages), despite all the hype and publicity about the relatively
much fewer unfriendly clashes, which helped to sell a lot of the popular dime store
novels of the 19th century.
What is striking to me NOW is that a very large percentage of the people who currently vehemently argue an extremely strict "jail them, then send them back" policy (which is really financially unviable) are struggling to make it in this economy and perceive jobs and benefits are being witheld from THEM supposedly in favor of a horde of immigrants who are taking them away. (not making any judgments on any particular posters here at all, just the people I've been able to actually TALK to on this issue).
If those arguing this "jail and and send em back" policy couldnt get their much valued job in the restaurant or agricultural industry they should certainly share their story. I haven't heard one yet.
The cost of the Iraq war was (in September 2006) 2 Billion a WEEK
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/09/28/cost_of_iraq_war_nearly_2b_a_week/
As of January07 it was 2.1 billion that was PRE-SURGE dollars folks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/business/17leonhardt.html?ex=1326690000&en=7f221bfce7a6408c&ei=5090
The larger picture is far more important to understanding this issue.
The war in Iraq is not making the US safer and costs more than benefit programs combined that could be funded for at least a decade.
But welcome to wedge issue 08.
If "gay marriage", abortion and stem cell research kept you up at night in 04, do you feel like you're living in a "culture of life" nowadays? Anyone? Bueller?
AG has a point when she says that unless you are a Native American, you have no inherent claim to this land and I'll put an even finer point to it when I say that there is no legal justification for the "Trail of Tears" beyond "Might makes Right" and we'll all just have to deal with that.
I don't have the silver bullet that will solve the whole immigration issue but I can smell a cooked up controversy a mile away. This issue didnt become really big until 06 but no immigration policy has really been dealt with since Reagan in 86. But we're still in Iraq and the repubicans may lose in 08 so let's focus on immigration NOW.
Or we can try to salvage our country....they choice is ours.
"If anything they could be considered left wing since they are in support of the American poor and working class, who are the too often forgotten victims of illegal immigration (invasion). "
As well as innocent US citizens who have had their SS numbers/identities stolen by these illegal invaders----and they are the ones stuck trying to clear it all up.
There was an article in the Arizona paper about a US citizen who received a $15,000 bill from one of the hospitals---because an illegal was using her identity/SS number. The only way that she was able to get this cleared up, is because she called the local news station and they were willing to do a story about it----as well as make phone calls on her behalf!!! If the news station did not come to her assistance----it would have taken her forever to get her name, credit, etc. cleared up!!
I just hope that those who support the illegals and see nothing wrong with their lawlessness and criminal behavior-----that they themselves end up being the victims of the illegals!!!!! I bet they will sing a different tune at that time!!
positions they take. They claim to be fighting for the poor and working class, yet
now, when we poor and working class are in perhaps the biggest fight of our lives,
they side with the right wing (rich employers, Bush, Mexico's rich).
In another website forum (of John Edwards), I actually had them saying that we
should be attacking outsourcing instead of illegal immigration. I had to point out to
them that illegal immigration IS OUTSOURCING. For the benefit of anyone who may
still not be focused on this, I now provide the explanation/definition.
Outsourcing - the policy and practice of hiring cheap, foreign labor so as to reduce costs and thereby boost profits (while abandoning American workers).
The 2 types of outsourcing are:
1. International Outsourcing - involves those jobs that can be done OUTSIDE the USA, and that's where they're done.
2. Domestic Outsourcing - (AKA hiring illegal aliens) - pertains to those jobs
that can only be done INSIDE the USA (ex. grass cutting, hair cutting, truck driving,
construction, etc.).
Now that this is made known, please folks, no more "I'm against outsourcing but I support legalization for immigrants", because that is simply, impossible. It's like saying "I hate all fruit, but I love apples".
Regarding identity theft, a good report was done on that on the Lou Dobbs show,
recently. A woman who worked at a job (was a stellar employee) for 15 years, was
dumped due to international outsourcing. After she lost her job, she applied at another company for a similar position. She was told she couldn't be hired.
Wondering why, she inquired about it. She was told the problem was her Social
Security #. She asked "what about it ?" They said they didn't believe that was her
real SS #. She said "it's the only one I've ever had, and I've had it since I was 14
years old". They said well, we already have someone working here with that SS #,
for 2 years. The employee they had was an illegal alien using her Social Security #
and had hoodwinked the company.
created a scenario where the "poor and working class are in perhaps the
biggest fight of our lives" when the topic hasnt been touched since 1986 is
a testament to the neo-con talking points getting out there
for wedge issue 08.
We are literally a nation of immigrants already and people legally arrive
in the US and get jobs and this falls under Robert F's definition of outsourcing.
Outsourcing is the common vernacular for "offshoring" which is the main
issue of discussion when one addresses the outsourcing issue.
The story of identity theft in the Lou Dobbs report should focus on the
fact that it is IDENTITY THEFT which is rampant and is an important topic
regardless of whether an illegal alien did it or a criminal within the US did it.
Hoping someone else becomes a victim of a crime whether its identity
theft or any other crime does not serve the purpose of furthering an agenda.
The main issue, however, is that the TRILLIONS of dollars being spent on the Iraq
war will have more of an impact on our lives and benefits Americans deserve
and need more than this illegal immigration issue.
The Democratic party consistently attempts to assist the poor and working
families compared to the Republican party which attempts to assist the
wealthy and priviledged but use wedge issues like this one to keep their
rank and files full.
You are clueless. The Iraq war will be over long before the elections!!
"The Democratic party consistently attempts to assist the poor and working
families."
Yep, lets keep these people poor and beholden to us. Democrats will increase taxes so that we can help to support the illegals. You may be willing to do that---and others like you----but not me and the MAJORITY in this country.
I think that citizens should have to vote on this issue---with a way of tracking how each citizen voted. For those who want amnesty for the illegals, there should be a box added to the 1040s when it is time to file taxes. It can say........Being that you support amnesty for the illegals----please check this box indicating that you are willing to provide 5% of your income to financially support them.
"Republican party which attempts to assist the wealthy and priviledged but use wedge issues like this one to keep their rank and files full."
Not all Republicans think this way. Remember, it was Republicans who killed the bill.
Also, the Democrats are willing to sell out US citizens/US workers so that they can get more votes from the illegals if they are given citizenship. We need more poor and beholden.
"Hoping someone else becomes a victim of a crime whether its identity
theft or any other crime does not serve the purpose of furthering an agenda".
Why Joe??? These people do not seem to have a problem when other innocent US citizens----and innocent LEGAL immigrants----are having to deal with this problem. They will definitely sing another tune if it happens to them, or one of their family members.
I am a former Democrat----now an Independent. I will NOT support any Democrat who puts the wants/needs of illegals over US citizens and our country as a whole!!
"I'm really puzzled about how Democrats can reconcile the very contradictory
positions they take. They claim to be fighting for the poor and working class, yet
now, when the poor and working class are in perhaps the biggest fight of our lives,
they side with the right wing (rich employers, Bush, Mexico's rich)."
That is because they want the future voters!! As long as they have a population of poor and beholden, they have power.
They will just raise taxes so that US citizens/workers can pay for the new citizens---if they would have been given amnesty.
That is why more and more Democrats----including myself-----are switching to Independent voter status. You can guarantee that these people will NOT be voting for any candidate that supports amnesty/rewarding the illegals.
was before, is because George Bush has neglected to enforce our laws (some of the most protective of the working class) and consequently, poor migrants and the
Mexican govenment have increased the flow greatly. In the Clinton years, there were 10,000 - 18,000 work site arrests of illegal aliens. About 1000 employers were
fined each year. These numbers dropped drastically to 159 work site arrests in 2004, and a total of 3 notices of intent to fine served on employers.
The topic was touched by me plenty long before 1986. I remember talking about it when I moved to California in 1977.
As for your uninformed "neo-con'' remark, I am one of the original formulators of
the "New Left" back in the early 60's when we diverged from the old school politics
of the US Communist Party. As a member of SDS in 1968, I fought against the
Progressive Labor Party faction of SDS before they finally were expelled and went
on their own preaching the same Marxist revolutionary talk we all did, but with no sense of culture as our counterculture new left had. I was a Semi-neo Marxist then
and still am right now. As I mellowed, I became a far-left Democrat and I still do
support some of those far-left Democrats such as Kuciniceh's position on cutting funds for the Iraq war. I can't spell his name though.
Likewise, I support his, and Edwards', position on Universal Health Care and my
favorite filmaker is Michael Moore. I also support many other left wing positions
regarding environment, business regulation, education and social services FOR
AMERICANS WHO NEED IT.
With respect to outsourcing, you are not correcting me in any way. My definitions
stand as rebuttal to whatever it was you were saying.
You are also mixed up about the Lou Dobbs report. It wasn't about identity theft
per se. It was about illegal aliens stealing American citizens' Social Security #s,
not how you would like to describe to fit your agenda.
Regarding what you said about Iraq and how much money is being lost, I recall
going over that very subject in another web site forum (John Edwards) and the
posters generally agreed that the money lost from illegal immigration (over $107
Billion/year - GAO) is greater (more years involved) than we've lost over Iraq.
Since I am not, and never have been a Republican, am a converted Green party
member, now a registered Independent (since 2001), see no interest in your comment about Democrats and Republicans. That's your problem.
I'll lastly say that you appear to be inexperienced, uninformed and deep in denial
about the immigration issue which is not only a bigger issue than Iraq, it is the biggest issue this country has faced since WWII, yes bigger than Vietnam too.
As with Iraq, the NLF didn't invade us, the Johnson administration invaded them, but now WE ARE INVADED and occupied by 12-20 million foreign
invaders, swiping our jobs, reducing our wages and tax bases, extracting over
$100 billion/year out of our economy and treasuries, imposing their language and culture upon us and enacting the biggest international burglary upon us, in world
history. The Vikings would be envious.
While all this is happening , your illustrious Democratic party is doing a great job of
treasonously aiding the invaders (Mexico, Ireland,China, et al). As for "attempts to
assist the wealthy and privileged", look at who the Democrats' allies are in the
illegal immigration invasion - Carlos Slim Helu (net worth $60 billion, Mexican national, supporter of the US economic invasion, and world's richest person). Also,
George Bush, his foul administration, and the worst elements of Corporate America,
the Domestic Outsourcers (AKA employers of illegal aliens). In supporting them,
and ignoring the plight of America's working class victims of this invasion, you and
you Democrats can no longer claim to be knights of our poor and working class.
You all are working against us. I would describe you guys as the NEW RIGHT.
Among the forty-six, are several hard core and deceitful supporters of AMNESTY who do not ever intend to support American Citizens. These hard core individuals only wish to serve their corporate masters and special interest groups in their hope of garnering their votes in November 2008.
The individuals I am speaking of are: Senator Hillary Clinton, of New York, Senator Barack Obama, of Illinois, former Senator John Edwards, of North Carolina and Senator John McCain, of Arizona . If any of these individuals ever becomes President of the United States, the battle to save America from invading hordes of foreign nationals will swing into full force again and American Citizens will have to continue our fight for our very survival as a sovereign nation. Dirty dealing, contempt for law abiding Citizens and pandering to illegal alien invaders and their criminal un-American, slave master employers will still be the order of the day!
Just two days after the incomprehensible AMNESTY bill died in the Senate, Senators Clinton, Obama, and former Senator Edwards appeared with other poorly funded candidates before the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials at Disney World in Florida. Each of them, in their usual pandering in the hope of garnering Latino votes, vowed that if they were elected to our Presidency, they would push through legislation that would protect workers and give unlawful immigrants (criminal illegal aliens and other absconders) a path to citizenship!
While each candidate claimed to support border security and cracking down on employers who exploit undocumented workers (criminal illegal aliens)Obama was quoted as saying, "As president, I will sign comprehensive immigration reform." Here we go again, that old "comprehensive" AMNESTY sham talk! In spite of previously voting in favor of the 700 mile fence bill last year, Obama was also quoted as saying, "he does not believe that good fences make good neighbors." He elaborated that Congress only voted for the fence to pacify the electorate, to give American people confidence that Congress was committed to immigration reform.
Obama and others knew all along that the fence would never be built under the Bush administration and the one-hundred-tenth Congress. By Obama's own admission, passage of the fence bill was only window dressing, as we all suspected! Former Senator Edwards was quoted, to rousing applause that, "he would never be for building a wall all the way across our Southern border" and "he would offer illegal immigrants (criminal illegal aliens) here an absolute path to citizenship (AMNESTY)." By his statements to this Latino group, Edwards confirmed that he is just another Bush or McCain in a different hairdo.
Senator Clinton said she was disappointed that the Senate did not move forward with it's immigration bill (AMNESTY) and the cornerstone of any future measure must be a "a path to legalization" (AMNESTY). In other words, she will hold secure borders and employer sanctions hostage to AMNESTY!"
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=11712
They don't care--they can just hide inside their gated communities. They will not have to deal with overstressed/collapsed healthcare systems. Their children will not be attending the overstressed/collapsed public education systems. They will always have water and electricity. They will always have a paycheck coming in--and their children will always be receiving the best of everything!!!
Lou Dobbs
July 10, 2007
CNN Transcripts
"Tonight, California faces a population crisis. The state's population growth is going to double over the next 40 years. Massive illegal immigration, the primary reason which could push California's vital services and its budget to the breaking point.
Wian: Los Angeles County faces an even more dramatic projected shift. The white population shrinks to 1.6 million, while Hispanics swell to 8.4 million. Put another way, L.A.'s Hispanic and Asian population is expected to double by 2050, while the number of whites and blacks will be cut in half.
Hispanics will outnumber whites more than five to one in Los Angeles, two to one statewide.
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: (voice-over): Higher Hispanic birth rates, as well as legal and illegal immigration, will add more than 25 million people to California by the middle of this century. The state's Department of Finance projects California's population will grow to nearly 60 million by 2050, an increase of about 75 percent.
The report foreshadows a looming crisis. California already faces water and power shortages, decaying infrastructure, education funding gaps and a $92 billion debt. Urban planners say state officials need to wake up.
DOWELL MYERS, AUTHOR, "IMMIGRANTS AND BOOMERS: They've been asleep at the switch in past decades. We had a lot of growth before, in the '80s. And then they didn't do a whole lot to prepare for it. They were coasting on infrastructure that was put in place in the '60s. And that many requires more roads, it requires more infrastructure, it requires more housing. And it also generates a lot more business opportunities, too.
WIAN: And major demographic and cultural shifts.
Here's how California's population appeared in 2000 -- whites, 47 percent; Hispanics, 32 percent; Asians, 11; and blacks, 7 percent.
Fast forward to 2050 and the state predicts Hispanics will make up more than half its population, whites only about a fourth. The percentage of Asians will increase slightly, while only one in 20 Californians will be black.
MARY HEIM, CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE: For Hispanics, almost 80 percent of the growth is due to natural increase or the excess of births over deaths. And it's just about the opposite for the Asians. Almost 80 percent of their growth is due to people moving to California either from other states or other countries.
WIAN: Los Angeles County faces an even more dramatic projected shift. The white population shrinks to 1.6 million, while Hispanics swell to 8.4 million. Put another way, L.A.'s Hispanic and Asian population is expected to double by 2050, while the number of whites and blacks will be cut in half.
Hispanics will outnumber whites more than five to one in Los Angeles, two to one statewide.
(END VIDEO TAPE)
WIAN: Some urban planners say that's a good thing, arguing aging baby boomers will benefit from higher Hispanic birth rates and immigration. Those young people will presumably help support boomers in retirement, from paying Social Security taxes to buying their homes -- Lou.
DOBBS: Well, if that works out as well as the suggestion illegal immigration is a boon to the state's economy, it, perhaps, should not give us an overwhelming sense of optimism.
The fact is, California's state economy is in crisis, as is Los Angeles County.
Any explanation offered by officials -- and that's now, hardly 40 years from now.
Any explanation from state and county officials?
WIAN: No explanation for how they're going to deal with it yet. The numbers have just come out this week. The Department of Finance says it's up to public policymakers to make the tough decisions as to how they're going to deal with what's an incredibly big population explosion -- Lou.
DOBBS: I can't help but laugh when you talk about tough decisions, because the way State of California has dealt with tough decisions so far, as you reported, Casey, is to mask them and to shunt them to the side, in keeping with what is a -- a national trend, at least one that has caught hold firmly in Washington, D.C.
Thank you very much."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...10/ldt.01.html
I think Edwards's statements on immigration are very clear and I agree with them. But, as this is really NOT on the top of my important issues list, I am not going to go further down this path of allowing this article's discussion thread to be hijacked to talk about some peripheral issue that was only briefly mentioned in my article and in the videos I linked to.
I can't stop you all from commenting, but I'm just telling you this isn't my issue and, beyond ensuring that Americans have jobs, which Edwards will do through better trade agreements and innovation in alternative technology, and beyond my belief that all people are deserving of basic respect, I really don't care that much about the immigration issue. So, I'm just telling you that if you continue to discuss it here, I'm not going to respond to it.
You are clearly clueless.
What jobs do you think are going to be available if they allow millions of illegal invaders to come into the country and take them?? Or let in thousands more workers into the country through the HB-1 visas??
What jobs do you think US citizens will be able to take if the wages have been depressed due to illegals willing to work for half the money and HB-1 visa holders willing to work for less wages??
How many jobs will be available for US citizens if employers are given tax credits for hiring illegals??
Who do you think is going to pay for all of the illegals------it is going to be US citizens/US tax payers, that's who!!
I say we put this on a ballot some how. People like you who do not seem to see/understand what it means to have our country invaded by millions of poor, uneducated illegals------or people coming in through HB-1 visas who are willing to work for less---- should also be the people responsible for supporting them.
Let's see......We have a ballot that says........"do you think that the US should grant amnesty to 20+ million illegals". Whoever answers yes-----should then also be told.........We are going to begin to take out 5% of your wages to pay for your newly adopted illegal citizens. I wonder how many people would sing a different tune at that time??
I just wish that the decisions made by people like you would effect you and your family alone-----not other citizens throughout the country.
You-----and others like you-----will not wake up and figure it out until it is too late.
As long as the Democrats have poor and beholden citizens----they have voters!! That is why they want to give amnesty to the 20+ million illegals in the country----they want more poor, and beholden citizens----in other words, they want more voters to vote Democrat.