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by Cheri Cabot
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April 4, 2006

Personal About Politics: Republican Diversity? Not So Much, No.

June 20, 2007 08:07 PM EDT (Updated: June 20, 2007 08:09 PM EDT)
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If you take a look at all the Republicans running for president, which includes “announced candidates”, “possible candidates”, and my personal favorite, “exploratory candidate”, there is one very obvious common thread. They are all white males.

This is certainly not a news flash, since every United States President beginning with George Washington has been a white male, but the closest thing the Republican Party can drum up for something even remotely resembling diversity is Announced Candidate Mitt Romney, a Mormon, and Exploratory Candidate Fred Thompson, an actor. You won’t find an African-American, an Asian, Latino, American Indian, and most certainly not a female at this party.  

Most of them are rich, white males. Now, I’m pretty sure the majority of the voters in the United States, aren’t rich white males, and yet, they believe in their heart of hearts, that they are the only ones qualified to run the country and tell us how to run our lives.

I beg to differ.
 
Then of course they all pay homage to Ronald Reagan. Most want to be Reagan re-incarnated.  According to Ron Gunzburger’s “Poltics1.com” site 
Newt Gingrich has “loyalty to Reagan-style conservatism”, Jim Gilmore and Duncan Hunter “tout themselves as true Reagan Republicans”, and Fred Thompson is “Reagan-esque”.

“Reagan-esque”. What is that? Young voters certainly don’t know what it means, and most don’t care.  The Reagan theme is getting old and tired. That era is gone….it’s time to move on.

But, they can’t seem to move past the same worn-out topics. Abortion. Gun control. Gay anything. What about our environment, health care, and the shambles Bush has left our foreign policy in?

I checked on the site “On The Issues: Every Political Leader on Every Issue”. At this point in the campaign, Rudy Guiliani and Mitt Romney appear to be the GOP front-runners. Here is their stance on environment, health care and foreign policy. 

Environment:
Guiliani: “No stance yet recorded.”
Romney: ”Clean environment will be a campaign theme.” (when and what?) 

Health Care:
Guiliani: “96,000 NYC children insured via HealthStat initiative.” (May 2007) That’s admirable, but does he have a plan for the rest of the country?
Romney: “MA health plan insures all without taxes or socialization (May 2007) FactCheck: MA plan not yet in place so analysis premature.”

Foreign Policy:
Guiliani: “No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.”
Romney: “No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.”

Oh, and here’s another issue where they both have a “strong” stance, jobs.
Guiliani: “Work is a good thing.”
Romney: “Tax incentives for employee training”

That’s it? That’s the best they could come up with? How about a new, fresh idea, on say…..anything? Diversity in the GOP? Not so much, no.




Note: Yesterday New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg announced that he was dropping his Republican affiliation. As an Independent, that would make him a “possible exploratory candidate.”

Although he denies an interest in running for president his announcement “set off a storm of interest in political circles across the country.” (NY Times 6/20/2007)

Bloomberg was a Democrat until 2001, when he switched to the GOP party. Apparently he sways with the wind in his party affiliation. I guess he’s decided the political wind is blowing away from the GOP.



Cheri Cabot, Politics Correspondent
Cheri’s column, “Personal About Politics”, published every Tuesday, will reflect on how the life of a 57 year-old, middle class woman is affected by politics, policy and the current state of the nation - a look at the personal aspects of politics. The articles will be posted to Politics.gather.com as part of Gather Essentials.

Cheri is a single teacher and writer, living in Southern California.  She has two grown children, one in Iowa and one at Columbia University, and is the proud grandmother of two. Cheri is also a purveyor of fine coffee, warm chatter and dry wit.

You can find all of Cheri’s columns on Personal About Politics at www.ccabot.gather.com.

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Comments: 175

Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 20, 2007, 8:24pm EDT
Good article Cheri.

I can't believe I am saying this, but the republicans don't get elected on issues like the environment or healthcare. They get elected on abortion and gay rights. It's sad but true, and it will still be true until we are all gasping with asthma and being turned away from ERs. So your article didn't surprise me because these are job candidates basically. They will shoot for the job no matter what. So far, those hot button issues are what wins elections in this country. God help us all.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Jun 20, 2007, 8:38pm EDT
I can't imagine a person sincerely wanting to be like Ronald Reagan. He presided over the most corrupt administration since Harding. He earned, and I mean earned, the title "teflon president." People were being indicted and going to jail all around him and he remained unsullied even though they were his friends and advisors. His record in international relations was appalling. Taking credit for the collapse of the USSR is very similar to taking credit for the sun rising. Reagan's economic policies were laughably naive. Fortunately the economy recovered in spite of them. In all fairness, I don't believe any president, including FDR, had a material effect on the economy.

When labor unions were powerful the standard line about the major parties was that Republican graft involved the rich and Democratic graft involved organized labor. Not much change on the Republican side.
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Jun 20, 2007, 9:00pm EDT
The current administration is made up of "Reaganites", which is just another term for the members of the secret handshake club, also known as the Neo-Cons-- which are now surrounding Bush....or should I say circling. Let's face it, Reagan wasn't even present for the second term (after he took the bullet), Nancy just used her Oiuji board and her favorite psychic to run the government, along with Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and a few others. I wonder if that's what the Republicans are talking about when use the term, Reagan-style conservatism, or maybe they mean a crystal ball that's directed at their favorite multi-national companies. Nothing wrong with a little profiteering at the expense of the taxpayers. The Republicans are the best at fiscal policies that favor the rich and use the poor.
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Jeff H. Jun 20, 2007, 9:05pm EDT
I thought we judge people not by the color of their skin or gender but the quality of their character. The Bush administration has been the most diverse in history but no mention there.

How are the democrats on intellectual diversity? Not very good. they all think and say the same things. They all race to the microphone after everything that is bad news for America to be the first to politicize it.

Republicans have pro life/pro death candidates....pro-victory/pro-defeat candidates on the war in Iraq.....pro-civil union/ant-civil union......pro-tax cuts/anti-tax cuts candidates.....the list goes on. Where have the democrats been on immigration? Where is the leadership of their congress? Where have they been and why aren't they challenged? When are the solution ideas going to start and the finger pointing going to end with them?

The only debate regarding the important issues of America is found in the republican primary while democrats argue who is the most female, black, and queer among them. Or just spending money on Soprano spoofs that have nothing to do with the issues we all care about.
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Jun 20, 2007, 9:18pm EDT
Queer? Did you really say queer? I almost bought into your spiel until the last paragraph. Now you sound like just another homophobic with a lot of dialogue.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Jun 20, 2007, 9:23pm EDT
I do find it amusing that people talk seriously about the relatively superiority of the political parties. C'mon, they're all swilling from the same trough. All you can do is hope that the people you voted for will do some things you're in favor of while they're in office. They're not your friends, none of them.
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Jeff H. Jun 20, 2007, 9:25pm EDT
Nippy very sad but true.....
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 20, 2007, 10:04pm EDT
"they all think and say the same things. "

Perhaps it's because they are all sensitive, caring, socially responsible (okay not Kennedy) groups of men who have a clue about little things like how sick people don't work or QUEERS have rights too. That word pretty much illustrates the big difference in "intellectual diversity" between the parties. For intellect to be diverse in Republicans (see above slur), it must first be present.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 20, 2007, 10:22pm EDT
Well said, Jeff.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 20, 2007, 10:27pm EDT
Why are the two of you (Suzi, Janice) hung up on the 'queer' term? It's openly used by gays and lesbians.

http://queers.gather.com/

Please drop it. Address the other excellent points Jeff made.
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Dave A. Jun 20, 2007, 10:30pm EDT
Restoration of constitutional rights. National defense, not demagoguery. Healthcare and environmental accountability, and not empty platitudes.

We could see some differences. The two candidates reviewed above are not even on the radar screen of issues of paramount importance to the vast majority of Americans.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 20, 2007, 10:37pm EDT
Do you want a candidate with a real background in addressing our health care problems? Encourage Newt to run:
http://www.healthtransformation.net/home/

As for the claims made in this article, it's just Cheri going off on her hate fill rant of all things Republican. Do your own research if you want to find the truth. Mitt Romney on health care? Try this for starters.
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jun 20, 2007, 10:46pm EDT
Same two boys same opinions , different day.
This is getting old donnyjeffboys.
Did either of you EVER have an original thought or are you totally "bushwashed" ????
Do you two use the word "queer" when cruising the gay bars ?
If so you better watch out most gays don't like to be called "queer" .
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Jeff H. Jun 20, 2007, 10:51pm EDT
Yeah Don.... I thought that the shows "queer eye for the straight guy" and 'queer as folk" put that word into the mainstream or is it another "N" word that only certain people are allowed to use? Actually the calling out of my word is a typical liberal tactic that isn't interested in intellectual debate but rather hating and labeling those that disagree with their political philosophy (religion).

Janice....What right do republicans want to take away from queers?

Don thanks for the Romney link. he really has been a leader on healthcare reform but the mainstream media refuses to cover it because it isn't a government agency. I wish for once that these liberals would promote a solution that they can show from start to finish that it will work instead of a litany of complaints.
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Jeff H. Jun 20, 2007, 11:00pm EDT
Don S once again..... Instead of hating conservative principals, try to expand out of that liberal bubble that has you convinced conservatism is evil. Try and articulate what you believe and why instead of just offering personal attacks. Are you that intellectually weak or do you really not know What you are talking about? I want to hear democrat ideas and liberal ideas.....but what are they? Hating Bush and conservatism isn't an idea. Grow up!
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Cheri Cabot Jun 20, 2007, 11:02pm EDT
Newt? Are you joking??? He should be packed away with his jowls and some mothballs. give me a break.

As for using the word "queer" ....it is very telling. Just as African-Americans use the "n" word themselves, they are offended, and rightfully so, if anyone else uses it. Let me guess, you both call women "broads" and think it's compliment. Go back to your trailer park.
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Jeff H. Jun 20, 2007, 11:26pm EDT
Cheri I have to admit that you proved me wrong when I said liberals don't articulate their ideas. You sure changed my mind to vote democrat......

"Broads" is old school. Nags is my word of choice.

But like i said......made for all viewers TV created a show called "Queer Eye For The Straight Guy". Google it. If you are true to your convictions protest it. Never heard of a made for TV "N" word show......

Either way this is typical liberal intellect. The first thing that comes to mind with Cheri in regards to anything Newt says is his appearance (jowls). No wonder they cant win national elections....
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Carol LeHane Jun 20, 2007, 11:29pm EDT
Don,

The group of which you speak had all of 6 members, all of them are female and if I recall correctly all except one of them describes her sexual orientation as bisexual. I would hardly call that representative of the gay/lesbian community on Gather which from what I have been able to discern in much larger that would be indicated by groups having tags associated with being sexuality attracted to members of one's own gender. That probably is because they consider their sexual orientation to be just another trait not a characteristic that dominates their lives or defines them.

Belonging to a group such a queers is not so much a statement of the acceptability of such a derogatory term as it is an in your face rephrasing of the old fashioned taunt "sticks and stones breaking bones, but words will never hurt me"

I for one would like to know the basis for Jeff claim that the only things Democrats debate is who is the most black, the most female or the most queer? As far as I know the only Democratic Presidential candidate claiming to be black is Obama and the only candidate claiming to be female is Hillary and I have yet to here another candidate, Democratic or Republican, dispute those facts. As for queer, there are probably candidates in both parties who a number of people would describe as queer, but that usage of the word has nothing to do with their sexual orientation.
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Kathryn E. Jun 20, 2007, 11:39pm EDT
great article, cheri. yeah, bloomberg is sending out trial balloons. now, the democrats are so well poised to take the election, but the problem is neither party has great candidates. the more the pity for this great country of people, more of whom are either becoming richer or becoming poorer than we were a decade or two ago.

poles apart from LBJ's America.
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Jeff R. Jun 20, 2007, 11:41pm EDT
I disagree...
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Jeff H. Jun 20, 2007, 11:44pm EDT
"""I for one would like to know the basis for Jeff claim that the only things Democrats debate is who is the most black, the most female or the most queer? As far as I know the only Democratic Presidential candidate claiming to be black is Obama and the only candidate claiming to be female is Hillary and I have yet to here another candidate, Democratic or Republican, dispute those facts."""

I have yet to hear the media talk about any other democrat candidate. As far as their ideas.......aside from "1000 and 1 reasons to hate Bush" I really don't know where they stand on immigration, taxes, the war on terrorism, (well Edwards said the war on terrorism doesn't exist and the media has ignored him ever since) health care (other than I should have to pay for the fat smokers, who destroyed their health while I stayed fit, through some sort of socialized health care system all of which no idea has been proposed since the failed "hillarycare" of the 90's) What Are democrats going to do? Fine hate me I don't care but what are democrats going to do?

All you liberals remember.....don't tell me what you want them to do....point to one candidate that has advocated the things you say in this forum other than Denice Kucinich. But since democrats like Cheri rate people by appearance a dude who looks like a ferangey from Star Trek?????? Won't happen with democrats voting.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 20, 2007, 11:47pm EDT
"I would hardly call that representative of the gay/lesbian community "

Carol -- it is a SMALL representative nonetheless. "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy", "Queer as Folk"... other mainstream examples. We could play this game all day, but let's play "all-grown-up" get back to the discussion.

Cheri -- go read Newts website on health care transformation. His ideas are very well thought out and are years in the making. That you dismiss them only proves how ignorant you are.

http://www.healthtransformation.net/home/
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jun 20, 2007, 11:49pm EDT
"Hating Bush and conservatism "


Is a movement gaining momentum.


Can't wait for 2008!!!!!!!!!~
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jun 20, 2007, 11:51pm EDT
Then in your thinking donnyjeffboy it is ok to call you two assholes , because here on Gather it's "mainstream", right.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 12:06am EDT
Newt on the media and the debates
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 12:24am EDT
That's one thing you have to give Bush... he's never cared one bit about polls. Not much of a statesman, but definitely takes a stand. We should skip 2008 and keep Bush till 2012.
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Cheri Cabot Jun 21, 2007, 12:47am EDT
Then it would be called a dictatorship. Is that what you want?
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 12:56am EDT
Only if we can do it Nazi style -- that's what I like best!
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Sean Mac Jun 21, 2007, 12:56am EDT
Cheri, another good article. You know it hits the hard truth if Don H. is in the forum continually trying to defend the indefensible GOP agenda. Honestly, I don't care what race or gender becomes president just as long as they don't adhere to the Bush agenda. However, that being said, how historic and ethically progressive would it be for America and the world to have an American president that is not a white male. It would be a great thing (as long as he/she is not a selfish bumbling idiot like Bush, then it would simply destroy the chances of that race or gender ever getting elected again). I leave you all with a quote:

James Caravel said on CSPAN a few weeks ago that "The good news for democrats is that the democrats are going to have to talk themselves out of the 2008 presidency. The good news for the republicans is that they are perfectly capable of doing that."
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 1:05am EDT
"You know it hits the hard truth"

It's the absurdity and pure ignorance that gets me. It's actually laughable... this is entertaining to me.
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Brian S Jun 21, 2007, 1:09am EDT
Perhaps, someday soon, the old, tired neocon
agenda and Reaganism will fade into dust.

The nation and the world has moved past it.
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Jeff H. Jun 21, 2007, 1:24am EDT
Brian Reagan crated the "Reagan democrat" demo. He won every state except for one and is widely considered by all historians as one of the greatest presidents. Bill Gates (a liberal) credited Reagan Tax cuts as what made all his inventions possible, Go figure.......
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Penny G. Jun 21, 2007, 1:50am EDT
But, they can't seem to move past the same worn-out topics. Abortion. Gun control. Gay anything.

That is very ironic isn't it? Against abortion? Don't have one. Like guns? Have one, but put a lock on it. Against gay marriage? Don't attend. Republicans have always claimed to be against too much government, yet all the issues they cling to revolve around enforcing their morals on every one else. Allow people to make their own personal decisions and keep the government out of it. There are too many other important national and global issues that should be the focus (poverty, environment, Iraq, jobs....), so let everyone's personal lives be just that...personal.
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Jeff H. Jun 21, 2007, 2:33am EDT
Peggy where is your argument? Republicans agree you have a right to your gun. Yes they are opposed to abortion.....der? Letting a mother kill their children if it is convenient? As far as gay marriage.....what democrat running for president supports gay marriage? Yes we are talking about democrats! I know I know it is hard for democrats to know what your party stands for when hating Bush and sadly Reagan, who has been out of office for almost 2 decades is your primary concern, but please tell me who in the democrat field support what YOU believe!. Come on.... ONE of you?????
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wiaka's just ... curious Jun 21, 2007, 2:35am EDT
And then there was "No party lines", awww what a concept.

For the People by the People. What an "Idea"!

Blessings
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Penny G. Jun 21, 2007, 2:35am EDT
Jeff...It's Penny, not Peggy, and "my party" is Independent. I know Reps believe you have a right to your gun, and so do I...though I don't think it needs to be assault caliber. Lock it and move on to another topic, was my point. Abortion and gay marriage are moral, personal choices that should not be decided by the government. The Reps use them merely because they are hot-button, devisive issues. It allows them to keep the focus off more important issues, like how to feed, educate and care for that baby once its born.
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Alkistis Wechsler Jun 21, 2007, 2:35am EDT
Well ... The two parties do not differe a lot regarding their foreign politics and their war-monger-apetites. As for skin colour, look at Condy and her slavish adherence at his master voice. Democracy would be if local goverments were stronger and there again were called comitties and polls to give opinions which should be respected on serious matters. Health and education would be at the first line for every citizen. But it realy matters is what happens. Safe the interrest of the financial monopolies and f.. the people!
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Penny G. Jun 21, 2007, 2:42am EDT
Alkistas...I couldn't agree more. Term limits and public funding of campaigns would do a great service to this country so our Reps in Washington could get back to actually representing their constituents rather than their campaign donors.
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wiaka's just ... curious Jun 21, 2007, 2:45am EDT
May be every one should vote independent and send a message that the majority are really tire of these two parties. nay, not going to happen cause everyone would rather B***h.
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Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Jun 21, 2007, 6:01am EDT
Since a large part of governing this country in the next four years after taking the presidency is going to be cleaning up the mess Bushand the past corrupt repugnican congress has made of our finances, foreign policy, national image, constitution, etc., Being anti Bush is a correct campaign issue.
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Clark Kent Jun 21, 2007, 9:38am EDT
Yes, we definitely need more right wing rule in this country. They haven't QUITE fully destroyed us yet.
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Kathleen ♥ L. Jun 21, 2007, 9:40am EDT
Yay, Penny!
Neither of the major parties has any one worht voting for at this point in time.
Both parties need to stay out of people's homes/bedrooms and focus on running the Country and navigating through the minefield that GWB and Co. are leaving behind.

My though is that the main issues they need to focus on are Healthcare reform, Education, Immigration and Foreign Policy... if they can salvage anything useful out of the quagmire that is being left by the current crew...
Republicans have always claimed to be against too much government, yet all the issues they cling to revolve around enforcing their morals on every one else
... "and the truth shall set you free"
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Kathleen ♥ L. Jun 21, 2007, 9:42am EDT
worth... it's supposed to say 'has anyone worth voting for'
... please gather, an edit button would be welcome by all!
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Christopher B. Jun 21, 2007, 11:10am EDT
What was this article about again; white males running for president? Well that's only because the one person who really should be running isn't. I suppose in star wars fashion we need someone cute to bend over a recording device and make an impassioned plea, "HELP US J.C. WATTS; YOU ARE OUR ONLY HOPE!" Remember eight years ago we had another African American run for president in the Republican party, only he had two strikes against him because he was a Roman Catholic.
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Kris M. Jun 21, 2007, 11:40am EDT
The only diversity Republicans have any interest in is between the billionaires and the multimillionaires. They prefer embryos, oil, business interests, Mars, carbon dioxide, and let's not forget their real Almighty, the buck, to human beings. They're all like Reagan in the sense that they're not interested in poor people or black people or female people or gay people foreign people (unless they're nannying Halliburton execs' babies for less than the minimum wage or cleaning up the country club). I think the most utterly hapless Dem in the field (I'm looking at you, Joe Biden) would be an improvement because, among many, many other reasons, he doesn't want to return us to an era marked by the extraordinary buildup of crime, hate, and debt.

Can't the "two" H. guys just get together and write a homophobic article once and for all? It's not like we don't already know where you stand, you could stop trying to hijack everyone else's posts with your (and Karl Rove's) agenda, and most of all, you're the same person anyway.
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Sean Kennedy Jun 21, 2007, 12:05pm EDT
For the Republicans, it always seems to come down to God, gays, guns, and abortion -- doesn't it?
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 21, 2007, 12:16pm EDT
Penny, YOU ROCK!

Kris,

I think the H guys are dealing with personal issues in public forum. I don't approve of any derogatory demeaning term that makes anyone less than human. The piddly little rights I was talking about "gentlemen" were the right to marry who you want, sleep with whom you want and insure your family whoever they might be. Those are the "intellectual" issues that Reps are ignoring. But, of course, they're just (insert name here), right? Unless you have a block of the vote for Republicans, I seriously doubt they give a rat's ass anyway.
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Jun 21, 2007, 12:29pm EDT
Two names that could make for a great Presidential race: Colin Powell and Al Gore.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Jun 21, 2007, 12:29pm EDT
As has been mentioned . . . those points aren't the ones that will make or break their candidacies . . . they're courting very targeted voting blocks. You'll note they all have a stand on the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in the military. These people have no concern with taliking to YOU . . . and, realistically, why should they bother? If they told you they supported paving our National Parks so more people could see them, you'd still not vote for them. The homophobes could care less. It's a position which allows them to court their own without unnecessarily alienating others whose support they would never get anyway. It's not about the US . . . it's about the job.

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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Jun 21, 2007, 1:22pm EDT
"Bill Gates (a liberal) credited Reagan Tax cuts as what made all his inventions possible"

He may have said that but there's one little factual error. He never invented anything. He and Paul Allen developed a nifty version of BASIC but they modified an existing language.

Gates' real break was that his mother was on the board of the United Fund at the same time the president of IBM was. When IBM was looking for an operating system for its new micro-computer (that's what they called them then) Gates got a shot. Microsoft didn't actually have an operating system but they quickly bought another company that had a working 8086 operating system. The rest is history.
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Christopher B. Jun 21, 2007, 2:16pm EDT
Blah blah blah, I just love to hear Democrats whine. Republicans are this; they only care about X, Y and Z, and so on and so forth. The irony of all that is, if you replace the buzzwords you describe the Democratic Party. They prefer CO2 reductions to human beings. There is a hospital in Africa. They can't have a coal powered generator because that would cause global warming, so they are given a solar panel that either allows their one refrigerator to run or the lights to run, but not both. Democrats will easily sacrifice human beings on their altar of CO2 reduction!

Pot; meet kettle. Kettle; meet pot. Pot and kettle; meet Mr. Industrial Strength Dish Washer! I don't care who is dirtier, you both need to be cleaned!
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Jun 21, 2007, 2:41pm EDT
Let's talk about diversity....and get to the core of the issues at hand.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 3:07pm EDT
Libs have such a narrow view of us conservatives. Bush has had more blacks in high level positions than ANY president in history, regardless of party. Let that sink in before you open your dumb traps about how we are a white boys club.

Kris -- I only post as myself. Jeff does the same. I barely know the guy -- we just happen to have similar views. Why is that so hard to believe?
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jun 21, 2007, 3:21pm EDT
http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/civright/106/

Oh yeah bush just loves minorities .......if they are illegal immigrants.
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Cheri Cabot Jun 21, 2007, 3:28pm EDT
Mitch, thanks for pointing out that Christopher B. is lacking oxygen....and of course, the bowtie speaks volumes.

Thanks for pointing out that this article is about diversity, Suzi, but I guess we at least have a diverse conversation going on.

"Libs have such a narrow view of us conservatives?" Are you joking Don H. (no, probably not...you wouldn't know a joke anyway). We have that narrow view of you because you are so very narrow-minded. Your vision doesn't go past your blinders.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 3:59pm EDT
How am I narrow minded? What do you know about me?
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Devin Barber Jun 21, 2007, 4:27pm EDT
Great article Cheri, a 10 for you.
Nothing amazes me more than hearing a working stiff defend the Republican Party. Lincoln was right, you can fool SOME of the people ALL of the time.

Ever since Ronny Ray-Gun we've been watching the decline of the middle class. The only respit was under Bill Clinton, but GW put a stop to that nonsense. Imagine, 2 million new jobs, a successful campaign in Kosovo, a 2 trillion dollar surplus in the federal budget. What the hell was that un-American commy bastard thinking?

There is no denying the fact that as a rule, under Democratic Presidents, the working class prospers, the number of poor decline, and we move ahead with things like social security, medicare, and afirmative action for minorities.

Under Republican Presidents we get tax cuts, budget cuts, reduced government services, and... oh yeah tax cuts. It seems to this correspondent that the Republicans are only about undoing government. Yet they are adament about controlling it in order to carry out their ideologic agenda, which is always touted as "for the good of our nation," but is usually more about forcing their religeous and social beliefs on the rest of us.

How working people and even the rare poor person can be duped into believing the propaganda spewed by the Right about their way "benefitting" working people, and becoming down right combative in their defense of their leaders is astonishing to me. Don't they understand that they've been flim flammed.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Jun 21, 2007, 4:37pm EDT
Devin . . . they don't . . . idiots and fanatics are specifically targeted . . . and become what is perhaps the best known identifier . . . ditto-heads. People can't even tell the two H's up there apart and believe it to be one . . . Why? Because it's difficult to believe two completely different "intellectuals" could agree on so much. Don asks how he's narrow minded and what do we know about him........ A quick read tells anyone with a pulse and an IQ above 40 all they need to know.

It's not rocket science people.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Jun 21, 2007, 5:53pm EDT
And as I pointed out Don, I would vote for Colin Powell if he were running for President. The point here is diversity in those seeking the highest station, not those who are monkeys for the boys in charge.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 9:29pm EDT
Doyle -- I support the Republican party and I am definitely against higher taxes and socialized healthcare. Aside from that, you guys know next to nothing about me.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 21, 2007, 10:17pm EDT
Don't any of you see the irony here? This article is about diversity, yet when only two people (myself and Jeff) hold a different view we are chastised. I guess it's only considered diversity if we all think like the rest of you ;)
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Jeff H. Jun 21, 2007, 11:40pm EDT
"""Are you joking Don H. (no, probably not...you wouldn't know a joke anyway). We have that narrow view of you because you are so very narrow-minded. Your vision doesn't go past your blinders."""

So Cheri if people don't walk in lockstep with you and all your like minded liberal friends WE have the blinders on? We disagree with politics on a philosophical level.....you really don't have to hate the people you disagree with.

If it makes you people feel so righteous and compassionate to accuse everybody that doesn't believe in your failed solutions to poverty as "not caring" go right ahead. Welfare was torn down by the conservative movement and conservatives are still hated for it even though every study has shown it to be an program that enslaved poor people to government dependency. I am glad people didn't listen to you liberals then and I am sure they won't listen to you now especially in terms of socialised medicine.
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Cheri Cabot Jun 21, 2007, 11:47pm EDT
There is no irony there at all Don. The article is about lack of diversity within the GOP and the candidates, and by all that you have said, you just reinforced all that I have said. NO DIVERSITY. same, old tired topics over and over and over. No reason why, just because that is what you have heard and believed since the Reagan Republicans. You wouldn't know an original idea if it hit you in the face.
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Tyrone J. Jun 22, 2007, 12:39am EDT
What is diversity? Having people with different skin tones and gender? I am an independent but mostly conservative although I am no republican fan. But i get called an oreo and uncle tom simply because i don't like democrats either.

White democrats act like I owe them something becuase they have given my race excuses for failure time and time again. I am sure their hearts are in the right place but if you have seen how much worse the neighborhood I grew up in has become in the past 20 it would make you sick. Opportunity and personal responsibility is the only solution to the crises not excuses and government programs.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 12:49am EDT
"White democrats act like I owe them something"

Liberal hubris.

"The article is about lack of diversity within the GOP"

Then how do you explain so many minorites in high level cabinet positions with Bush? Address that, please.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 4:49am EDT
Don.
Diversity of ideas. Diversity can be found in so many places, not just on skin. Way to ignore the point! You get better at it everyday.

Tyrone brings up a legitimate point here. What about the democrats who seem to lockstep with money? What can be done there? Money and the making of it for select politicians and their friends seems to be a part of the issue here. Until greed isn't a factor, does it matter who we elect?
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Jun 22, 2007, 10:30am EDT
Don---
Let me reiterate - And as I pointed out Don, I would vote for Colin Powell if he were running for President. The point here is diversity in those seeking the highest station, not those who are monkeys for the boys in charge.
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Cheri Cabot Jun 22, 2007, 11:40am EDT
I keep pointing this out over and over and over....as comments and in the article and to personal e-mails....this is about diversity of IDEAS. I stated in the article that there is also no diversity within the ranks for different races or gender to make a point....That being said, there are just no NEW ideas in the GOP. None. Period.
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Jun 22, 2007, 12:22pm EDT
"Doyle -- I support the Republican party and I am definitely against higher taxes and socialized healthcare. Aside from that, you guys know next to nothing about me. "

Aside from that I need know nothing more . . . it speaks volumes that you're content with millions without healthcare coverage and the rest are paying for them anyway. You're content that this country ranks 36th in healthcare . . . you're a fan of Geo. II and his GOP war . . . you support removing women's right to choose . . .

I think I know all I need to formulate my opinion about you through your comments.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Cheri Cabot Jun 22, 2007, 12:26pm EDT
Bravo Doyle...couldn't have said it better myself...so I won't!
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 3:28pm EDT
Janice says "Diversity can be found in so many places"

Thanks for stating the obvious. Too bad that is not what Cheri was referencing in the article. I get it more than you know.

Cheri says "there are just no NEW ideas in the GOP"

You think that only because you don't listen to what they have to say. I'll keep pointing to just one example to make my point: http://www.healthtransformation.net/home/

Healthcare is going to be one of the top issues... and Newt has the best ideas bar none.

All you people who keep crying about healthcare owe it to yourself to go and research Newts website.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 5:48pm EDT
If Gather had an edit feature it would say "Newt's website."
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Jun 22, 2007, 6:17pm EDT
I'm WITH you Don . . . I STILL would love to see that womanizing, divorce-aholic who designed the "Contract ON Amerika" get the GOP nod. You have NO idea how bad I'd like to see that!

Regards,
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 6:58pm EDT
Then we are in TOTAL agreement since I would like to see Hillary get the nod with Billy boy following right behind her. It would be nice to have that post-Monica player and his power hungry wife trying to make a second grab for the Whitehouse china.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 7:17pm EDT
Don,

Grasping as usual. Read my comment. MY WHOLE COMMENT. It's identical almost to Cheri's where she clarified diversity for you. Come on. You should know how this works. I assume you went to school before "no child left behind".
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 7:21pm EDT
To be fair to Donny boy, here a snippet from those new ideas of his.

"
1. Individuals must take an active role in becoming healthier.

Diabetes and obesity kill hundreds of thousands of Americans and cost our system hundreds of billions of dollars every year. But such deaths are, overwhelmingly, a consequence of poor individual choices. Individuals must be incentivized to make better decisions. For example, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan introduced Healthy Blue Living, where individuals can save 10 percent or more on their premiums, co-payments and deductibles if they work with their physician, exercise, eat right, control chronic conditions and don't smoke.

Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it. However, an individual mandate is an acceptable option only when the larger health-care system has been fundamentally changed. It is unjust to require an individual to buy into a broken and dysfunctional system.

2. We must create a culture of health that leads to responsible choices.

We can do this by redesigning how public and private institutions influence individual behavior. For instance, parents and the public-education system have failed to control childhood obesity, a rate that has tripled since 1980, according to the Centers for Disease Control

To reverse this, physical education should be required for every student in grades K through 12 five days a week. Students should be weighed, their body mass index calculated, and the results and relevant educational material sent home to parents. School lunches, breakfasts and vending machines should promote healthful foods, so that unhealthful alternatives are penalized or prohibited.

Grocery stores in poor neighborhoods should receive tax incentives to provide a wide selection of fresh fruits and vegetables. The food-stamp and WIC programs should be redesigned to incentivize purchase of healthful foods. State and local governments should make significant investments in bike paths, sidewalks, public parks and recreation programs to encourage physical activity.

3. We must dramatically improve and modernize the way we deliver care.

We should eliminate any financial incentive to do any test, treatment or therapy that does not directly benefit the patient or add value to the care process. Payments to doctors and hospitals must change from a transaction-based to an outcome-based model. This will encourage the use of new technology, such as electronic health records, and adherence to evidence-based medicine, which will lead to higher-quality, more efficient care.

4. We must radically change the way we finance health insurance and health care.

Between individuals and their doctors are hoards of middlemen and red tape as far as the eye can see. Putting the consumer squarely in control is essential, so that the individual citizen is the primary driver of cost reduction in health care.

Consumers should have the right to purchase a health-insurance policy from anywhere in the country, creating a truly competitive, national market. Health Savings Accounts should be available to everyone, regardless of how or whether they obtain insurance, and HSAs should be opened and funded for low-income individuals and families. Information on provider performance and price, as well as that of insurance companies, should be available to consumers - before they receive care.

We should incentivize the individual to root out waste by pursuing better care at lower cost. And individuals who purchase their own insurance should receive the same tax benefits as employers who provide coverage.

The health-care system as currently designed is incapable of insuring every American. It will always result in rising costs, poor quality and an unhealthy population. Any plan to cover the uninsured that builds upon such a dysfunctional system throws good money after bad. We can do better.

With real change, we will lower costs and make health care affordable for every American, and that will lead to 100 percent coverage. Our country and our citizens deserve nothing less.

Former House Speaker NEWT GINGRICH is founder of the Center for Health Transformation. DAVID MERRITT leads the "Insure All Americans" project at the center."
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Jeff H. Jun 22, 2007, 7:22pm EDT
Somebody said America's health care ranks 36th in the World. That is a complete lie. The quality is the highest in the world. It's the fact that fat smoking pigs can't make me pay for their failing health that has the bleeding hearts in an uproar. Free healthcare doesn't make it the best. Every country in the world depends on the research and development of new drugs and technology that saves lives and 99% of it comes from America.

"""I STILL would love to see that womanizing, divorce-aholic who designed the "Contract ON Amerika" get the GOP nod. You have NO idea how bad I'd like to see that!"""

Way to keep an open mind doyle..... regards...
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 7:28pm EDT
"We should incentivize the individual to root out waste by pursuing better care at lower cost. "

We don't do this now? Is Incentivise a word? let's check. Not according to world book. I like my candidates to be able to spell.

"We should eliminate any financial incentive to do any test, treatment or therapy that does not directly benefit the patient or add value to the care process. "

Insurance does this now, sometimes eliminating everything right up to breathing.

"Consumers should have the right to purchase a health-insurance policy from anywhere in the country, creating a truly competitive, national market. Health Savings Accounts should be available to everyone, regardless of how or whether they obtain insurance, and HSAs should be opened and funded for low-income individuals and families."

Again we have the right to buy from anyone now. They just don't choose to cover everyone. HSAs maybe. But how is this different from medicaid again, except to limit the amount a family is eligible to receive.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 7:34pm EDT
". It's the fact that fat smoking pigs can't make me pay for their failing health that has the bleeding hearts in an uproar. Free healthcare doesn't make it the best. Every country in the world depends on the research and development of new drugs and technology that saves lives and 99% of it comes from America."

Jeff, Oink! You're the one sounding like a pig here. You didn't share your toys as a child, I bet. That 99% of pharmaceuticals is then sold to everyone but the third world, since they can't afford it. How does that benefit anyone but us? Unless...you don't care about anyone else. Hmm. Have I unwittingly figured out your psyche?
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vickey w Jun 22, 2007, 7:44pm EDT
Anyone is free to pursue the presidency as long as they have more money than brains. I am discouraged with the politician's , I think they are so out of touch with the working class people, As far as the Dems or Libs, the very things that you accuse the conservatives or Republicans of doing , you do yourself. Havent you heard how low the approval ratings are for the Democratic Congress. They are two faced, they promise you one thing to get your vote and do the opposite, they place the blame on everyone but themselves. This is only one reason why, I voted for Bush, Conservatives still believe in morals and values, it just eats you up to think that there are some people who dont womanize, who values marriage, who believes in God and who above all dont take any crap and is not in the Presidency to win a popularity vote, You have fine examples, such as the Clintons, whose names have been linked with so many scandals, they could probably be listed in the Guinness Book. Who are you going to blame when Bush is gone from office? You blamed him for Katrina, when the mayor and governor should of taken the blame for this, some wrote on here that most of the people didnt have the money to evacuate when they were told to. I didnt know that Bush was supposed to give them free money to get out of town, why , didnt they have an evacuation policy in place, they know by living in New Orleans it is subject to hurricanes, people need to take responsibility for their own lives, you complain about health care, I for one, dont have any but I dont think it is the governments job to furnish it for me, Hillary tried to get a healthcare reform bill passed, but she failed and her own husband was the president, Kennedy tried to get the minimum wage higher but Clinton didnt pass it, Clinton went in and sliced the welfare rolls,(which I do agree with to a certain degree) but I would of looked at each case, as there are some on welfare who cannot do any better, but by making people work for a check, the taxpayers still paid for most of their childcare, so I dont see where any money was saved here as childcare is not cheap, when you take them to daycare. Bush was blamed for the high prices of gas, but now that the Dems are in, the gas is higher yet, but I dont hear you crying about this and you sure arent blaming the Dems for this one. You whine about the Iraq war, you claim its because of innocent lives being lost, The military is volunteer in case you didnt know this, tell the truth, what you are really whining about is how much this war is costing, You dont show compassion for a people who has lived under a dictatorship for 30 years, who was raped, murdered, tortured, maimed, robbed of rights that we take for granted,Do you think only the Americans should have these rights, no one else, but yet you would be the first ones asking for help, if you or your family had to live under a tyrant. All you think about is yourselves and this is selfish. At least some of us here in the USA, still can show compassion for others. If this makes me a bad guy, well, I will just have to see on judgement day.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 7:54pm EDT
"You whine about the Iraq war, you claim its because of innocent lives being lost,"

Vickey, innocent lives being lost- try needless. NO WMDs

"The military is volunteer in case you didnt know this, tell the truth, what you are really whining about is how much this war is costing,"

My husband is THERE! It's not a justifiable war, unless we go into the other 0 dictatorships too

"You dont show compassion for a people who has lived under a dictatorship for 30 years, who was raped, murdered, tortured, maimed, robbed of rights that we take for granted,Do you think only the Americans should have these rights, no one else, but yet you would be the first ones asking for help, if you or your family had to live under a tyrant."

Again, There are THIRTY other brutal dictators - that I know of- around the world. Why don't we go after them. The article was about new ideas. Your comment actually reiterates the same tired things the GOP spout daily.
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Jeff H. Jun 22, 2007, 7:59pm EDT
Janice why do you rush to call people not compassionate? I view obesity as no different than smokers, drug addicts, and alcoholics. They pick their poison not me. The funny thing here is that your answer is to raise taxes on the rich to pay for your compassion. If you care so much join a mission and give them all your money but don't support having other people pay for your 'compassion" and talk down to me with your phony righteousness..

I shared my toys, I am a go to guy for south eastern Wisconsin to care for kids, who end up in the custody of human services, who have irresponsible drug addict parent who end up in jail. I donate a lot of time because of other people's problems and yes I am frustrated as hell that the people who screw up their lives are the ones I am supposed to feel sorry for when it is them that strain our system and leave a trail of victims, mostly children.

Don I checked the newt link. Despite his personal baggage the man is a genius.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 8:06pm EDT
Jeff , you don't address the McD's workers at all. Don't tell me they a livable wage and can afford little things like insurance.

You harp on reducing welfare. Have you checked out the article on the immigration law firm who coach businesses on how NOT to hire American Citizens. Olga M posted the link. It's a seminar video. How does that track with W's arguments on Immigration? Is there really a shortage of American Workers willing to do the work? If there were, would those lawyers be having that seminar?
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 8:10pm EDT
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977035061
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 8:16pm EDT
Jeff - I agree -- Newt is a brilliant man. I hope he gets in the race.

Janice -- I re-read Newt's ideas you posted and they all make sense. Big picture is that he is looking at it from many angles to lower the cost. Are you a poor person? You seem very angry as though you've been shorted in some way.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 8:27pm EDT
So you read Newt's crap, but did you read mine? They aren't NEW ideas. In fact, a couple are in practice already. So you guys just don't read anyone's comments? How does that work without you sounding like idiots all the time? Oh wait... forget I asked.

What you hear here in my tone ,if you will, is disrespect and contempt? I find you extremely offensive in your complete disregard of others thoughts. Jeff runs a close second. You don't even read them. How do you expect to sound intelligent talking about comments you DON'T read?

If you paid one bit of attention to anyone's ideas, I'd respect you more, in spite of your conservative bent. You don't. I don't even filter what I say to you anymore. You don't care anyway.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 8:31pm EDT
Oh, yeah a poor person. Is that like being a gay person? or a black person? or a ...the list goes on. Do you think before you write, or are you suffering from diarrhea of the mouth with constipation of the brain?

The poor aren't the only ones having trouble with insurance and medical bills. The working class is rapidly losing access. Are you a rich person, Don, that this doesn't affect you at all?
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Cheri Cabot Jun 22, 2007, 8:41pm EDT
It's a damn good thing I didn't have coffee in my mouth when I read Jeff's comment about Newt: "Don I checked the newt link. Despite his personal baggage the man is a genius."

I'm with Doyle....I'd LOVE to see him the GOP candidate....but try to convince the Christian Coalition that still has a tight rein on the GOP that he is lilly white.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 8:45pm EDT
I wouldn't call myself rich, but I do well. I have UnitedHealthcare and I opted for their best plan. It's pretty good insurance. Oh, and I do have a six figure annual income. Maybe I'm not so stupid after all ;) If I missed one of your posts it's because there were many and some were very long (and I did read your very long post that was copied from Newt's website).

I find you very insulting too, so it goes both ways.

And you continue to cry about all these people not having health care, yet you poo-poo someone brilliant like Newt. It makes no sense. He should be your hero.
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Don (are we Marxist yet?) H. Jun 22, 2007, 8:48pm EDT
Cheri - I'd put Newt's credentials up against yours anyday. It's not even a contest.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jun 22, 2007, 8:50pm EDT
Don, read my response, jeez.

Some of his "ideas" are currently not working. They aren't new. That's what currently not working means. Currently being used. And aren't working.
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