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April 4, 2006 Personal About Politics: What Price Loyalty?
May 22, 2007 10:21 PM EDT
(Updated: May 23, 2007 01:32 AM EDT)
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I have always been intrigued by blind loyalty, both those who follow someone blindly, and those who command such loyalty. Blind loyalty is a common thread throughout the Bush administration. What keeps his “Bushies” so loyal? Is it the promise of money somewhere down the road? Is it power? The promise of power or just being close to someone powerful? For some, it is the only way they can ever hope for any power, by just being in the same arena of the power broker. It may be both, since it appears that many of those most loyal to Bush, who receive high paying jobs, are also the most incompetent. It may also be the reason Bush is so loyal to them. By placing unqualified people in administrative positions, he can play on their inadequacies and therefore wield more control. Why, for example, did Bush continue to push for the nomination of Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court when she was glaringly unqualified and there was no support for her on the Hill? Probably because, as we know now, she was doing his bidding behind the scenes, ticking off attorneys general to fire. Bush supported then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as he continued to deny any failures in Iraq, even after it was obvious there were many failures, right up until the failure of the Republican Party to win a majority in Congress…..then he was fired. And let’s not forget FEMA Director Mike “Bownie’s doing a heck of a job” Brown. He was the poster child for complete ineptitude, and had there not been a real disaster (Katrina) he might have waltzed through his entire tenure, garnering $148,000 a year, without ever having to do anything responsible. The entire world called for the resignation of Paul Wolfowitz after his embarrassing behavior at the World Bank. Not President Bush. Probably because Wolfowitz helped construct and promote the war in Iraq, which is exactly what the White House wanted. General Alberto Gonzales continues to have selective amnesia when testifying, giving all kinds of non-information, and blatantly admitting he doesn’t know what goes on in his own department. Both Democrats and Republicans are calling for his resignation and a revamp of the justice department, and yet Bush gives him support. Why? Because he is a firewall to the White House, keeping the investigation away from Rove and yes, Bush himself. Bush selects people hungry for power. People who will do anything he asks just for the opportunity to be near the center of power. People with no conscience or morals, or sense of their own self-worth. People he can use. He wrings them out, then hangs them out to dry. “George W. Bush has gathered around him….most frighteningly, psychotic personalities, or PPs, the medical term for smart, personable people who have no consciences.” From the memoir of the late Kurt Vonnegut, published in 2006. Cheri Cabot, Politics Correspondent Cheri’s column, “Personal About Politics”, published every Tuesday, will reflect on how the life of a 57 year-old, middle class woman is affected by politics, policy and the current state of the nation - a look at the personal aspects of politics. The articles will be posted to Politics.gather.com as part of Gather Essentials. Cheri is a single teacher and writer, living in Southern California. She has two grown children, one in Iowa and one at Columbia University, and is the proud grandmother of two. Cheri is also a purveyor of fine coffee, warm chatter and dry wit. You can find all of Cheri’s columns on Personal About Politics at www.ccabot.gather.com. Keep up with Cheri’s other postings and Gather activity by joining her Gather network at www.ccabot.gather.com, and select the orange “Connect” button on the left-hand side of the page. You’ll find Cheri and other Politics Correspondents, plus celebrity content and plenty of other Politics experts at Politics.gather.com
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Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Thanks Cheri .
It's sort of a sad commentary if you think about it. The usual pattern is a less than intelligent man surrounds himself with those more able then takes credit for their achievements and they in turn make him look good. This lowest common denominator criterion is puzzling.
"And let's not forget FEMA Director Mike "Bownie's doing a heck of a job" Brown. He was the poster child for complete ineptitude"
Point one; Let's go back and look at what happened to FEMA after 911 and after the creation of the "Department of Homeland Security." FEMA was no longer it's own entity -- it was mixed in with a new department and the merge was a huge, difficult and messy undertaking.
Point two; Brown was in charge of FEMA in 2004 when Florida was hit with four hurricanes in a row. I live here and experienced all four. The state was a mess. But under JEB BUSH as Governer and Mike Brown heading FEMA, the state of Florida did a great job of recovering. It was really a spectacular job done and Jeb was re-elected with a huge margin largely based on his leadership during the difficult times.
Point three; you are judging a man based on an UNPRECEDENTED natural disater in America. Repeat that word: Unprecedented. Couple that with some of the worst LIBERAL DEMOCRAT STATE LEADERSHIP and a population who refused to evacuate... and you want to put it all on Brown? Are you kidding????
Don H. Not surprisingly, you said something insulting to a large group of people with no evidence that it is so. The population of New Orleans did not REFUSE to evacuate. Many did, but most were unable to evacuate. Explain to me how whole prisons were not evacuated. Those guys don't get a choice. Wait, don't explain it to me. Explain it to yourself. I really don't want to debate the obvious this week.
Brown's entire response was: "Thanks for the update. Anything specific I need to do or tweak?"
"In the midst of the overwhelming damage caused by the hurricane and enormous problems faced by FEMA, Mr. Brown found time to exchange e-mails about superfluous topics," including "problems finding a dog-sitter," Melancon said.
Melancon said that on August 26, just days before Katrina made landfall, Brown e-mailed his press secretary, Sharon Worthy, about his attire, asking: "Tie or not for tonight? Button-down blue shirt?"
A few days later, Worthy advised Brown: "Please roll up the sleeves of your shirt, all shirts. Even the president rolled his sleeves to just below the elbow. In this [crisis] and on TV you just need to look more hard-working."
On August 29, the day of the storm, Brown exchanged e-mails about his attire with Taylor, Melancon said. She told him, "You look fabulous," and Brown replied, "I got it at Nordstroms. ... Are you proud of me?"
An hour later, Brown added: "If you'll look at my lovely FEMA attire, you'll really vomit. I am a fashion god," according to the congressman."
this is from a CNN report from 11/05
Does this sound like someone who is competent? I don't think so
That man was hired by the Coalition Provisional Authority -- not by the Bush Adminstration as you stated. Further, the CPA had so many things going on at once becaues they were rebuilding an entire country in a very short time under extreme circumstances. All you can do is sit back and laugh and point fingers. That takes very little to do. And lastly, I don't know the guy's entire resume so I don't care to come to his defense, but it is worth pointing out that he majored on politcal science at Yale and he was at least a "private-sector development officer"... whatever that is. Anyways, you spew out more crap and you guys wonder why many of the "Bushies" have "blind loyalty." It's because the people making the accusations and pointing fingers are so blinded by hate, who in their right mind would actually take them (You) seriously???? Not me.
Janice -- talk to the state of LA for your answers. Mike Brown doesn't run state prisons. Thanks for making my point.
Another liberal drone showing blind loyalty! No questioning of any points.
Cheri - You pull out some 'light' comments he made under duress? Please, that means nothing to me. I am sure every emotion including light moments and very sad, very hurried, intense moments...all happened in those times. For you to characterize it as being one way is ridiculous! And you know it.
You'll also have to show me how miserable a job Brown did in Florida in 2004. Go ahead, take your best shot. You are making the case that he was inept, so that must be across the board.
Also, let's not forget that Brown is only one of many who are/were not qualified for the Administrative positions they are/were holding.
Thanks Amelie for your comment, and I'm very sorry about your family's loss from Katrina.
Regarding your calling every state and federal agency... how about you and millions others. Unprecedented events do not make for smooth government operations. And as you made clear, Amelie, it was the state more so than the fed.
So as sad as the situation was, it doesn't support Cheri's 'blind loyalty' argument. And that is what this is about.
And I will reiterate the point I made about cheap politics and pile on accusations... it's easy to just say this stuff, but to defend it becomes difficult when you have so many people who are already biased. It's nothing more than a liberal echo chamber.
I rest my case.
Flat out lie. Do you understand that?
Wow, it sure has been intellectual around here lately. Don, when you walk into a room, the whole place just lights up, I bet. You are such a ray of sunshine!
Where do you guys get this stuff? This is just pure fantasy stuff you're spewing, Sam. How do you KNOW what is in another persons mind? And worse, you assign it to an entire group! You moonbats are psychics too, eh?
Lastly, you have one opposing voice on this article and you want me to shut up? What is wrong with you people? You militant liberals are pathetic -- you expect everybody to walk in lock step with your misguided ideals.
As to your family's service, congratulations, but obviously you have few facts about the current state of our National Guard. I serve as a Military WIFE raising my three kids alone while he serves his country, so don't pull that one. All I'm saying is when you have not the necessary information to comment rudely to another post, you should probably not comment.
" "state is short National Guard personnel"
Flat out lie. Do you understand that? "
You called her a liar in error. She is actually correct, and you look like a big nut. Illustrating "blind loyalty" at it's finest.
Well, I read the news story that refuted that story about there not being enough National Guard. She's lying, and you are backing up her lie.
From the spokesperson for Governor Sebelius (where the story of the shortage came from):
"Sebelius was doing her own backpedal from across the country.
Her spokeswoman, Nicole Corcoran, said the governor didn't mean to imply that the state was ill-equipped to deal with this storm. Sebelius' comments about National Guard equipment were, instead, meant as a warning about the state's inability to handle additional disasters, such as another tornado or severe flooding, she said."
Sorry to dissappoint you Janice, but my sources are a little better than yours.
Wrong again. Elected twice.
What he did was make mistakes in the handling of Iraq and Katrina. He's not recovered from those two. The mistrust is only a far left issue.... in other words irrelevant.
When exactly is your report-for-duty date again? I seem to have misplaced it.
*snicker*
You just keep your toe to the Bushie line - I'm sure you'll find your next $300 refund in your mailbox momentarily.
Your repetitious spouting of previously-debunked Republic talking points is getting soooooooo last week, Snookiedimples *yawn*
His brother fixed the election, remember? *points and laughs*
I would say the people's own incompetence exposes them, and sometimes it is so glaring that even Bush's stubborn and petulant support can't save them. In other words, they produce enough rope on their own to hang themselves.
Good point Mario. There reaches a point where even Bush can't support them anymore......or sometimes he just gives them another high-paying job they are totally unqualified for....instead of hanging them out to dry, he just shuffles them around.
They should read this article to see the truth about Kansas.
"Fact is, she had 4,500 guard troops on call for this town of 1,600 if she needed them. She also had offers of help from other states for any resources Kansas asked for"
Or the White House Press Release which quoted the Governer:
But as a separate issue, the question is, were resources available? And so Fran had a conversation and I'll just play out a little — just repeat a little bit of it. Fran said that it was her understanding that we'd met every request the Governor had made, and had moved resources proactively into Kansas, into the region, to anticipate requests. We had a conversation this morning, for instance, about notifications and declarations. There were some conversations on Saturday prior to the Governor's officially requesting a declaration, and on the basis of those conversations, the federal government began moving assets into the region before paperwork was done, because it was important — as a matter of fact, FEMA had resources moving in within a couple of hours.
So there was a very — this is a success story in the sense that people were moving very quickly to get assets there. So, in response to Fran's question, the Governor said that she had what she needs. She did repeat her testimony that she's been raising the issue about DOD for a number of years in terms of National Guard deployments. When Fran again said, "Is there anything you need to respond effectively to this disaster," the Governor responded, "No. We could not have asked for a faster response. Dave Paulison was terrific yesterday."
Oh, and don't you know it's we who are on the defensive here that are insulting and deserving of disdain. The fact that Cheri calls us blind loyal Bushies is fine with the liberals -- you know because it's all true (in their heads). We're simply too stupid to take offense, I mean how dare us see them as mean spirted, hateful people.
If you can ever refrain from name-calling such as, "morons", then maybe we'd take you a bit more seriously. Try and develop a higher intellectual level, and you might even, grudgingly, get some respect for your far right opinions.
I'd like to view your profile. You have some interesting articles, but no credentials. How about sharing?
Before I uttered the words 'moron' and 'stupid', I had to tolerate the following:
FROM CHERI:
"What keeps his "Bushies" so loyal?"
"those who follow someone blindly"
"People with no conscience or morals"
"poster child for complete ineptitude"
FROM RON W.:
"I am not sure that he is not just as ruthless, and just as evil. The characteristics that you speak of make for the perfect fascist operatives."
"See you at Gestapo headquarters, Cheri."
FROM SAM C.:
"These people truly believe their divine destiny is to make the world a colorful, wider extension of the USA consumer driven Judeo-Christian culture with a new class of oil oligarghs nestled at the top."
FROM JANICE:
"I know Don will try to "explain" it to us all in his usual charming, misguided way."
FROM JOAN:
" Oh Hugh? I mean.. Don H? When exactly is your report-for-duty date again?"
"Your repetitious spouting of previously-debunked Republic talking points is getting soooooooo last week, Snookiedimples *yawn*"
" Never Elected, Donnie, Dear."
FROM SUZI:
"wish I were friends with the Diebold manufacturers"
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With that said, where is your sense of fairness? Why do you people always point out my harsh statements, but overlook them when the come from your side FIRST???? I don't get that.
Yes, there has been mass incompetence. These people were put in place becasue of their loyalty. They would just march lockstep with whatever Rove told them to do.
What you see more here is not just incompetence but more so an administration which has had absolutely no oversight.
The GOP ran both the house and the Senate. Any investigations were absolutely squelched. The media has been absolutely complicit. Hiring their buddies, or loyal contriburtors. Giving out no bid contracts to Haliburton, that did not even fulfill those contracts to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Now they will just run off to Dubai with cash in hand and no one will do a thing.
There has been so much corruption, cronyism and plain bald-faced looting the coffers that it is mind blowing. The legislative body that was supposed to be doing the oversight was too busy whith their own corrupt paws in the cookie jar to actually do their job. (Not that the GOP memebers ever actually intended to not give Bush every little cent he ever asked for, or for that matter every over-reaching and unconstiutional power he might desire). Then when questionas actually are asked, they claim to not remember or that the information is top secret
The one thing I am grateful for is that this administration has been so blatantly thumbing their nose at the American people and at the rule of law that even most of the die hard conservative have jumped ship.
There were quite a few people who I tangled with over the Admin, Sadam, OBL, WMDs......
Every single one has recently capitulated. Turns out the only ones who havent abamdoned ship now are emotional conservatives like Hugh and Don. They have an emotional investment on believing that their side is "the Good guys' and the facts be damned
I know why Bush's ratings are down, but it's not for the reasons liberals claim.
Bless your heart. For every action, there is a reaction. We are all familiar with your hatred of everyone who disagrees with you. You have a reputation. That said, I didn't say anything mean. Aren't you the one who tells everyone to stop whining? Well....
The National Guard has a system for filling quotas in recruiting, and they like to fix the numbers, any army wife can tell you that. If they don't do that, the units are closed down or moved permanently. But I bet you come from that enlightened school who believes wives don't count for much in the grand scheme. Your enlightenment always astounds.
Oh and Don, do a double take, Babe. Which comment came first mine or yours? Is there a rule that every comment I make is directed at you? I missed that in the terms and conditions. We all know it won't take you long to hunt and peck your ideas at us with vehemence and venom. That reputation of yours is not for being a straight shooter, but a bitter little man who screams then whines when someone talks back. We are not your children. You can go castigate people in real life. Around here, we can just delete your attitude from our minds. Ah, the beauty of the computer.
If they would like to improve their ratings they should impeach the chimp.
Bush hasn't done anything wrong. Everyone here should know that this congress is now known as "The Oversight Congress."
"They are targeting a sweep of people and issues. Some are high-profile, such as the leaking of Valerie Plame's CIA identity or the U.S. attorney firings, subjects that make for compelling cable news dramas.
But many more are mundane: inefficiency at the federal crop insurance program or conflicts of interest in FDA contracting. Some are pragmatic, such as an examination of food safety following outbreaks of illness caused by contaminated peanut butter and spinach. Others are tragic: the death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman and the misleading information the military provided to his family."
What we have noticed all along, despite all the cries of "Impeach Bush" these past six years, is that Bush is an honorable man trying to do the right thing. Nobody has ever tried to bring charges against the President short of maybe one or two far-left congress folk.
Two full terms served honorably.
"Before I uttered the words 'moron' and 'stupid', I had to tolerate the following:"
"What keeps his "Bushies" so loyal?"
"those who follow someone blindly"
"People with no conscience or morals"
"poster child for complete ineptitude"
No where does it say your name....does it? So, if you think I took the time to personally write those things about you....what does that say about you? And did I call you a moron or stupid? Don't think so.
What you have to endure is in your own mind.
No matter your politics, this is a valuable piece of video for you.
Here is a transcript: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18720045/
(If it matters at all, I'm an Independican - I lean right, but don't trust the parties at all any more, though I'm a political consultant)
Dodd would be a huge improvement over Hillary, that's for sure.
Can't wait till 2008.
My personal favorite Impeach bush/cheney NOW!!!!
When you say "you dense morons never get it", and refer to the respondents as "moonbats", that is a direct verbal assault. It is demeaning and certainly not part of a constructive conversation. The remarks made from others are directed at the current administration and some of the policies. If you take that personally, then I have to wonder why. Any light you can shed on your behavior? Why are you attacking people for their beliefs? That will certainly not sway any of the readers to your way of thinking. Being antagonistic just puts the rest of us on the defensive and the discussion goes nowhere. Or is that the point? distraction from the issues?
Awash in a sea of blinded hypocrites who are willing to compromise their integrity by calling down his rehtoric whilst accepting the counter position as perfectly legit. It is the arrogance of the left that gives no credence to opposing ideas and forces a defensive posture so as to move the opposition into useless emotional responses and thereby avoid having to continue the debate with real possible solutions. It is from these types of leftist individules clearly identifying themselves herein as victims unable to fend for themselves and totaly willing to depend themselves on a goverment entity to solve thier problems that has brought this once great nation to the brink of extinction. As exampled by Amelies comment stateing... " who do I talk to about my Aunt's house, the house that was in hers/our family for many generations, the one that is no longer there!". Why would anyone surmise that any goverment should have any offering of anykind for obligation to that disaster save if the house had national historical relevance. The types of individules forfiet there freedoms and responsibilities turning themselves over to third party interest and then whine when thier issues are not handled like they would have been had they handled them themselves.
I salute you Don for standing in the firering line.
Rude -- when I wrote UNPRECEDENTED in caps, it was to get through thick skulls like yours, and still I did not make my point. To be explicit, NO, it was not politics, rather it was a disaster on a scale we've not ever seen in this country.
Suzi -- I could easily be 'clever' with implicit insults, but I choose to be direct. I've already replied to this issue in a comment above. Please re-read if you didn't get it the first time. The attacks, direct or otherwise were not started by me.
re "have such sweeping powers as Bush gave the office?" I assume you are refering to the office of the President. If so please name the new powers that Bush has assigned to that office otherwise please stick with realty and not imagined conspiracies. We still live in a Nation that has a bloodless revolution every 4 years. Its not hard to change the way the wind blows. What will prove to be hard is to heal the division that has been created by bias and intollerance between a people that have way to much in common to be chastising each other and thereby put the common good and future in jepardy. But there is hope. We healed the wounds before in the late 1800s. Lets just hope the anger dies down so we can heal again before it comes another civil armed conflict. Our global enimies must watch with delight knowing that with enough time and no course correction America will soon follow in the footsteps of past historical empires and end up on the trash heap of "could have beens" .
This is an interesting quote out today: LAT: David Iglesias, one of the fired U.S. attorneys, calls Attorney General Alberto Gonzales "just another morally rudderless political operative" and urges him to step down before Congress passes a no-confidence vote against him
....go figure....
how about cheating the American public?
and you are welcome to change the subject anytime!
The only reason I stopped to comment is because I am sick to death of the belittling of the loss of life in New Orleans. I can't imagine the terror of being stuck there in the middle of the flooding, and the majority could not get out. But rightwingers always seem to think that since they have a nice SUV that everyone has one. Right? Or at least some little thing that you use to get out to the country once in a while. These are the REAL working class of this country. The ones who can't get out of the way when simple minded, apathetic rich guys come in and rearrange the world to their purposes.
That hurricane was not as you imply unexpected. Our government cut corners on the lives of the citizens of New Orleans. Any idiot knows fives happen, unless taxpayer dollars are in the balance. That's when threes become most likely. That city was left to itself.
Beyond that it's a major shipping center. If we don't have the good damn sense to protect our own interests by putting up an adequate wall, then maybe the gene pool can do with fewer of us. Sorry. But that wall should have been built correctly. Children are dead thanks to the politicians who determined that wall's capacity and the engineers who did what they were told. How many lives would have been saved, if someone had just put up the right damn wall? It's just senseless. But I forgot, you wouldn't care.
I know it's strongly worded, but it is strongly felt. People in this country like to pretend things away. It's why so much debt and financial ruin happens here. We think that it can be THIS bad, but I really want this thing over here. I'll just plan for THIS bad and see how far I get.
I sent around $400 to Red Cross (for which I regret doing, by the way), so for you to judge me as not caring is false. What you fail to see is that the insults are fired AT conservatives (particularly supporters of Bush) with sentiments exactly like what you just said; we have our SUVs and assume everybody else does and we just don't care. That was the tone of this article and the comments. I don't set the tone. Look within to see why I seem so harsh.
Think of how many lives would have been saved if people had the good damn sense to not live below sea level!
Also I happen to be part of that REAL working class and I resent your arrogance that implies that I can't own a nice SUV.
Did you not see the pictures of the hundreds of busses all parked neatly side by side in water up the the windows. Don't tell me...... Bush hid all the keys and refused to let his oil buddies sell gasoline to the city.
When we think of blind loyalty, we think of a loyalty... which in its very nature is a formula or good foundation of any enterprise in a family, organization, business and leadership.
In the case of President Bush of direct support for Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court position. We could never knew if there is an agenda or that Mrs. Harriet Miers unqualified. It is not always applicaple to make conclusion to that having a qualified achievements means that your are the right for the proposition or that you are that able. So does the idea of Mrs. Harriet Miers of being picked by President George Bush for Supreme court position even having a lacking as inferred by a denying group of public yet within the progresive possibility of being one... In scholastic side she is educated enough and being qualified is supported by the ideals of leadership... from which one cannot be denied or be accountable to the fact... that she, as being to be in the highest position in the US Supreme Court is immediately accountable to be immediately unqualified with only by the benefit of few political doubts... hahaha...
Wouldn't you argue or shout and shout if a policeman dragged and fined you of traffic violation... when in truth--you neve have done any. hehehe...
Bush is supporting the war in IRAQ is an argument of GREATNESS for his achievement and RIGHTEOUSNESS and DEMOCRACY to be promulgated by a country with that capability in that gven time... Well, He fired Rumsfeld I support that. Maybe he find Rumsfeld as threat and a failure for the people of America than to the War in IRAQ.
BUSH terms is all about Leadership and Stability of a Nation under fire...
(ps. disregard typos)