
POETRY CENTRAL Volume 2, Number 3 ~ Publish or Perish? ~
How do I get my work published? Are my poems, short stories, manuscripts for novels, good enough to be published? What are my short-term versus long-term goals in getting published? Is this a one-time proposition, or do I want to try to make a career of my writing? These, and other relevant questions, need to be considered before launching into what is a very time-consuming, frustrating and often irritating process. I can speak from experience. What follows is a slanted, biased view from one writer's experience. Although I have been around the block, and have successfully published several books, I fully understand that everyone's expectations and experiences differ markedly. I hope we can use this article as a forum for an ongoing discussion and critique on the wonders and pitfalls of publishing.
Recently, my experience in publishing has centered on my poetry. But several years ago I worked on two non-fiction books that finally were published by a prominent publisher in Gretna, LA (Pelican Publishers). When my wife and I first settled into a routine in Seattle, before our first child was born, we used to haunt all of the antique shops in the greater Seattle area. She would hunt for antiques, and I’d inquire if they had any “old books.” I started finding older children’s books, published in the early 1900’s, and my wife, who comes from a long line of celebrated artists (her aunt was the illustrator of the Dick and Jane books!) would steer me toward the better ones. Before long I started forming a collection of early children’s books by an American illustrator, Jessie Willcox Smith. I began reading about her in the library, researching the art period in America at the close of the 20th Century. I wrote booksellers to see if they had books illustrated by Smith. After about five years, I had acquired the largest and most complete collection of her first editions in private hands. So I started working on a definitive bibliography of her work, describing all of the books, edition points, priorities, magazine appearances, calendars, prints, etc., and making a photographic record of over 400 individual images. To do this, I had to learn how to write a bibliography. I consulted books, friends in libraries, ran drafts by friends and family, bounced ideas off anyone who would listen. Finally, I had something of a finished product.
The next step was to see if I could find a publisher for my work, which was not a fully completed manuscript, but nearly so. I put together a color packet with representative photographs, included about five pages of text which showed the kind of “nuts and bolts” of the book, and wrote a snappy introductory letter describing the artist and her impact on the American art history scene. I then went to the public library and found a list of publishers and a subset of those who issued art books, art history and bibliographies. I came up with about fifty and sent packets off to every one. I then waited, and after awhile started getting rejections. Rejection after rejection. Until one day I got a phone call (not a letter!) from a publisher who was thoroughly excited about the prospect (Pelican). We went on to publish five books together.
Granted, the above case history is in the non-fiction sector. But I think the basic principles involved in publishing are transferable from non-fiction to poetry as well. As I see it, here are the essentials. 1) There was a developmental phase where I concentrated on my craft (in this case, building a collection, researching the art history of the period and learning how to write a definitive bibliography). In the fiction/poetry genre, that would equate to honing your craft, taking writing classes, participating in workshops, etc. 2) There was an assessment phase. Is my work worthy of publication? How does it compare, objectively, to similar examples in the particular genre I’m writing? To assess this, you need to find qualified people who will give you the straight shake down, no holds barred. Send examples to friends, associates, contacts in literary circles. Post your work on writing forums, social communites like MySpace, Facebook, and of course, Gather. 3) There was a self-examination phase. What are my goals in getting published? Are my goals in line with my product. For example, getting a poem or a short story published in a journal is one thing, getting a novel or memoir published quite another. Do I need to take incremental steps, like publishing in journals, or am that good to get my novel published in book form by a publisher that will actually market and distribute the book? 4) Am I prepared to commit time and energy to help publicize the product either by making public appearances or spending hours on end networking and huckstering. 5) Then, of course, if it’s all-systems-go with 1-4, you arrive to the submitting phase. In order to address this, I’d like to talk a little about my experience in submitting poems to journals.
Publishing poems can be among the most frustrating of all publishing endeavors. You get the unique opportunity to have your individual “creations” come back in the mail, literally daily, with cute little letters explaining that your poems are excellent, just not what the publishers are looking for. In the past year I have submitted about 30 separate poems, in five different mailings, to about 100 poetry journals. To date I have about a dozen published poems. I'm pretty happy with these results. But it hasn't been easy. In fact, it's been very taxing. Lately, I come home and my wife doesn't even alert me to the fact that I've got letters from journals. One, two or even three letters have been neatly opened and stacked on the table. I still read the various rejection letters and mimic in some sacrcastic comic voice a not-so-laudatory summary of the respective journal and editor. I hear my wife snickering upstairs.
Submiting poetry to the prominent poetry journals today, either in print, or in the many superb online poetry journals that now rival printed poetry reviews, is an extremely competitive and time-consuming proposition. Less than one half of one percent of poems submitted to most of the more acclaimed poetry journals are accepted. Further, there is a long-standing fraternal relationship that many journals maintain with already established, well-known poets. After that, editors often are looking for young up-and-coming authors in English departments at universities, who have a sort of visibility and can bring credibility to the magazine. Finally, there is a prominent “speak” that editors are often looking for. If you are a very good poet with your own voice, you may be excluded because your poetry doesn’t fall into the genre that is currently being published.
So with all that under consideration, why even try? One thing is for sure, you have to believe in yourself. You have to have the energy to be persistent, in the face of rejection. And you have to understand the process. I think it’s important to resist the temptation to be insolent and pass off rejection as being a function of the editors. Things are what they are. If you don’t like the process, there’s an easy way out. Don’t submit. Or you can have your work published by a plethora of fee-for-service “publishers,” which is really no different than paying for the printing costs. There is no distribution or visibility in the package. And that may be all that one is looking for, which is all well and good. However, if you want your work read, and you want to be published in venues that have wide readership and distribute their product, and perhaps even provide you with royalties (we should be so lucky!), then you need to work on perfecting your writing. Submit. And submit.
With regard to publishing your poetry, specifically, I think it’s far better to have an established record of publishing in journals before trying to get a collection published in say a chapbook or a book of poems. To this end, you have to know the publishing guidelines of each journal. This is extremely important. Each journal has different specifications. Some require that you submit only three poems at a time, others five or six. Some will say they accept by email, but no attachments, others will accept only in rtf attachments. Most print journals will only accept poems submitted in a typed manuscript, and nearly all insist that you include a self-addressed stamped envelope with your name and address on it. If you don’t have one in the envelope, they won’t even read the poems! Then there is the reading period. Most journals have a specific reading period, like September through May. Try to send some poems in June and back they come, pronto. Finally, include a short biographical sketch (no more than 5-10 lines max) and a nice, terse introductory letter. Don’t be cute or witty, just professional. Trust me, they get so many poems and so many crooked, crazy intro letters, they can smell a bad one in a stack of a hundred letters.
Below, I have provided some links to a number excellent online poetry journals as well as some prominent print journals. Go to their sites and read examples of the kind of poetry they’re publishing. Most journals will provide a few poems as examples, and some will have archives of past numbers, many with multiple examples of poems. If you feel you’re up to it… go ahead and submit some poems. Make sure the poems you submit do not already appear in any online journals. In most cases, a poem appearing on an online community like Gather, a private poetry group, or even a blog will not be a problem. Still, you should withdraw the poem(s) from online venues before you submit it. Some journals are pretty touchy about that and may google the the title or the first few lines. If ten lines pop up from a search, you can be sure your poem will be panned. Finally, don’t forget to go into the “Guidelines” or “Submitting” section and pay close attention to the specifications for submitting poems.
So there you have it, not an exhaustive account on how to get your poems or short stories published, but perhaps a starting place for some and a prod for others to get you to start thinking about publishing your work. It can be an extremely rewarding and gratifying experience to have your work appear in print or on a prestigious online journal. Please use the comment thread below for any questions you may have, not only directed to me, but others here at Gather who have achieved far more than I have in publishing their work. I’m sure they’d be happy to interact here as well. And don’t forget to relate any personal testimonies of publishing successes or failures.
Some Top Online Poetry Journals (starred my favorites)
Some Top Print Poetry Journals (starred my favorites)
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Written by Edward Nudelman, Books Correspondent for POETRY CENTRAL
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Comments: 176
love the papa
This is a fine piece; will be back later to more thoroughly read it.
Good advice for people seeking to publish, too.
Thanks again.......
Manoj, yes, keep at it. You're work is superb!
Long ago I actually was paid for a travel article I submitted to Trailer Life. And I had a contract with International Living to publish some articles on my travels to Peru. But they backed out months later and paid me a "kill fee". A few months after that they featured articles about Peru written by the person whom I had been speaking with during my negociations.
Thanks for your well thoughtout advice.
When I first joined Gather, you were the first author I felt the need to read every day. You are by far still my favorite, and on the days you dont post, I feel the loss of a friend.......t
Lisa, thanks so much. By the way (and I'm not trying to make a buck here!), but if anyone gets one of my two major books, the biography or the bibliography (I recommend the biography) I'd be happy to sign and inscription. You can arrange to send to me... just send me an email. You can find them either at the Pelican link in the text, or Amazon.com sells them, just do a search for Edward Nudelman
I'm currently borderline buried alive in the process of getting Corn Dog ready for a shot at publication. I really appreciate your article. Coming from a "cartoon" angle, most people I've talked to have told me I should try an find a good agent, before I submit my work. Right now that thought is in the back of my mind, since I have a mountain of editing to do before I even send stuff out.
Nonetheless, your article is like a hit off an oxygen tank. Thanks !
Thank you for sharing your personal trials of publication. I had no idea you had such a background. I want to stick my chest out and say I know Ed Nudelman!
I have tried getting published and went through similar results except the end part about geting published. Ha! I think it is due time to give it another shot.
You are terrific, Ed!
BTW, you've read mine and liked it.....any suggestions which publisher, or kind of publisher, would be appropriate to approach? Here is the link again:
Butterfly in Thy Heart
Ucan just send me email with specifics, if you have the time.
Thanks!
:-)
Howard B
I have only had a couple of things published, mainly in very small, upstart journals, etc. I just took rejection too hard, and crawled back into my shell. Now I have a supportive Gather community, and I'm slowly coming out into the light . I'll read this article many times, and I think it will give me the practical advice to deal with the rejection letters, and a shot of courage to try again. Thanks Ed.
If you're submitting, never never NEVER disregard the publisher's guidelines. If they want the manuscript in 10 point, New Times Roman, double spaced with headers that say book title, author's name and page number, you better do it *that* way. I have had a few publishers over the years and they have all said the same thing. The guidelines are for their ease of reading, and if you do not follow the rules, your manuscript will be chucked in the trash. Without being read. Their logic? If you cannot follow the simple rules of submission, then why would they want to sign you?
Never never NEVER "leave the ending" of your book *out* of your synopsis. Most publishers want a synopsis of your book with the query letter to give them a feel of what happens in the book. They want to know EVERYTHING that happens, even the ending. If you feel like you're "spoiling" the book, well, the blurb is what you use to "hook" readers (the info that goes on the back book cover). Leaving the ending off your 2-page synopsis will just make editors mad, because they can't make an informed decision if your book is what they want to buy. What if the ending totally wasn't plausible with the rest of the book? They need to know. Too many authors do this. Always tell the editor the entire plot. Period.
When submitting, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Have a Plan B, C, D, etc. If Publishing House A rejects you, go to B and C and so on. Your book won't "fit" every publisher. You have to do your homework to find out where they would fit. Consider trying to get an agent. You can query some BIG name publishers with an agent. Not every publisher allows Plain Jane Author to submit directly. I believe Del Rey and Random House, names like those *require* an agent. A lot of authors believe "Agent" to be a four-letter word. But let me tell you, they make life easier. THEY do the shopping around. They argue on your behalf regarding the contract. Because lemme tell ya, a LOT of authors have gotten screwed on that contract; they were so excited to be published, they didn't read the "fine print". Sure, agents take a cut, but it's much easier to break into big New York publishers with an agent than without. And pretty much every single big name author has an agent. It's like actors. They have agents too. It's just the middle man that makes life easier.
Don't stop writing. So you've written a book. Write another one! Keep writing while waiting to hear word. It will make the weeks pass quicker than constantly checking the mailbox to hear word. That way, if manuscript A has been rejected, you have manuscript B to shop around. That's what I did. When I finally did get accepted for publication, I had scads of books written, which is why I have scads of books published. LOL Interested publisher says, "Ooo, you have *more* books?"
READ the genre you're writing. See how other authors do it. Read voraciously. Get a feel of how it's done. Pay attention to more than the plot. Pay attention to point of view, pacing, voice... Not everyone can write a good story. Writing a story has mechanics. You need to know HOW to write a story that will capture people's attention. Give yourself some writing exercises. These really hone your skill. Think of a random scenario and write a 1000 word scene for it. Not an entire book, just a scene. I've written a few full books off those writing exercises. :P
Sorry for making this reply so dang long (I should have just written my own article. LOL) But I thought I would add some more perspective on this article, because Ed is totally "write". Nyuk, nyuk. :P
~~Becka
Some of us look for all the help we can get!
"I have works published in about seven journals of poetry and art. The thing for me is that these are not any that the major publishers look at..."
Thanks Dan, and congrats for that achievement. I think, though, it's not really that you're looking for prospective publishers to take note of that, but rather, you're builiding a portfolio and a bio, such that if and when you want to try to come out with your first collected book of poems, you can attract publishers at that point when they see that you have a record of publishing your work.
That's the way things go for most authors, less than 1% make a living wage. I've supported my family as a journalist. Any articles or books sold are an occasional welcome bonuis.
I published two chapbooks and a few instructional pieces/reports through Lulu--it's the marketing aspect that can prove difficult, but I decided to self-publish, because I like the control and my poems don't fit the current popular modes.
Thank you for your timely advice.
It comes just as I'm about to publish two novels and two poetry bundles. One of these novels is being considered for a movie.
Your information will be most helpful. Thank you again.
I appreciate your sharing.
I will have to check out your books on Jessie Willcox Smith. My mother-in-law's name was Jessie (Maria) Smith. I loved the Dick and Jane books when I was in school, many years ago.
The publishing/submitting business is about the goofiest business I've ever seen in my life, but it's a mighty fun one. I think you hit the nail on the head, though, when you said that you have to believe in yourself. Stick to it. You'll make it, and when you do, I guarantee you that it's the best ride you can get on!
A word to the wise. After I had published on Gather, I went to Poetry magazine and found they considered online publishing ( as on Gather) to be published and would not accept it. When I do start writing poetry again, I'll remember that and hold off publishing here right away.
Although I don't write poetry (or novels) I do write cookbooks.......and the way I write my cookbooks is not just plunking down a recipe on the page, I feel anyone can do that....
I love to write the story behind the recipe....or the annecdote that resulted from trying a recipe.........etc........ so in a way, it is like reading a little novel about the foods I cook...... I took many notes of your points that relate to me and cookbook writing............
Thank you!!!!
Very helpful article, though, and a nice mix of journals and magazines, including many of my own favorites. Almost makes me feel like getting out the SASEs again.
"A word to the wise. After I had published on Gather, I went to Poetry magazine and found they considered online publishing ( as on Gather) to be published and would not accept it. When I do start writing poetry again, I'll remember that and hold off publishing here right away. "
All poetry journals will give a disclaimer that they will not accept submissions if they've appeared anywhere on the web. This is to dissuade mass submissions by bloggers, and completely makes sense. However, I don't know an editor in the world who wouldn't accept a quality poem from a promising poet just because it appeared on a community online site like Gather. Rather, they would more likely simply suggest that you delete the article so it can't be found in a search.
Note, this differs from having a poem accepted into a credible online poetry journal, many of which are extremely competitive and every bit as prestigious as the print journals (see above list).
So the distinction may seem subtle, but it's an important one. I'm a member of an online poetry group of about 20 poets that post their work and are very harsh and critical of each other's submissions. This group is led by a very prominent poet/publisher and is by invitation only. We have many poems that we publish for each other's perusal that get picked up for major journals... IN FACT, one was selected recently for the Pushcart Prize, the single most prestigious award for a poet's poem appearing in an online poetry journal.
"I clearly wasn't as motivated as I once was, but I do believe the proliferation of MFA programs makes it that much harder."
I would agree 100%. The playing field has drastically changed in the last 10 years, really exponentially in the last 5 years. Publishing poetry is not a money making venture! Why do publisher's do it? It's mostly for prestige and avenues into other aspects like printing anthologies, networking, etc. Poetry journal staffs are drastically underpaid, and they have the unenviable job of wading through reams and reams of paper every day... So, the submission have increased logarhythmically, and the editors are getting more and more picky and choosing only very promising writers that may deliver for them in the future....
Suicide is painless, right?
I had suspected, along the way, that I was not so much a poet as a poetic prose writer, and abandoned poetry for the time being. That was a long time ago.
Recently, I've come into a voice or a new place and am emboldened by the encouragement from others here and also by my own sense of development.
I will take the plunge into some of this; I will begin to submit. I am over my fear.
i've bookmarked this for the links.