- Here is a link to this portion of the debate to which I make reference in its entirety: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpUZiud98lE&mode=related&search= If you haven't yet watched it, I would suggest that you do.
In the South Carolina debate last night Congressman Paul said, “They [terrorists] attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East. I think Reagan was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective– what would happen if somebody else did it to us” (my own emphasis added). This explanation, to me, seems a concise and cogent argument against trying to micromanage the rest of the world. If we Americans try to consider what we do from more than one angle, we might take up a more humble – and ultimately beneficial – foreign policy. However, after Paul's answer Giuliani cut in, insinuated that Paul had said America “invited” the 9/11 attacks, and demanded that Paul rescind his comment. Giuliani's ad lib drew loud applause from the audience.
I absolutely cannot believe that the audience at the debate was supporting another politician spouting out the simplistic and disingenuous “the terrorists hate us because of our freedom” nonsense that has been the bread and butter of the Bush administration over the past few years. That may be a quick answer that you give in response to a curious five-year-old, but to condense a complex subject like that for voters is nothing less than condescending.
The point is, if I pee in your Cheerios (accidental or otherwise), you're probably going to be angry whether or not I had a good reason. Sweden and Switzerland are both free, prosperous western countries, yet middle easterners don't declare either of them “the great Satan” and burn effigies of their leaders on a daily basis. The difference between those two and the US is that they try to avoid meddling with other countries and maintain neutrality as much as possible. Thus, denying that what we do may have consequences or “blow back” would suggest a fundamental inability to see an issue from anything but one narrow perspective. Paul wasn't blaming the US for 9/11. His actual point was that the obvious truth that our foreign policy was a contributing factor, just as one of the causes of the 1979 Iranian hostage crisis was the US installation of the Shah decades before. This opinion is not some moonbat, tinfoil-hat-wearer's delusion; it is the same view that both the 9/11 Commission and the CIA hold.
Therefore, only two possibilities exist: either Giuliani is completely ignorant of the facts or, the far more likely explanation, is that Rudy wants to be able to say “9/11” at every available opportunity. Either way, Giuliani proved himself to be pandering to rigid, dangerous black-and-white thinkers, and right now all I can hope is that the electorate is savvy enough to see that fact.
As for myself, I'm strongly considering voting for Ron Paul. Not only does he speak the truth, but he speaks much-needed truths.


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29% Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
25% Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas <-------------------------------- won MSNBCs poll with 46%
19% Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani
8% Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
5% Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif. Hunter
4% Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
3% Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
1% Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.
0% Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore
0% Former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson
Deb, the poll was simply 'who did best in the debate' and those folks voted for Ron.
He also WON MSNBC's poll after the first debate, and got 46% this time around last I looked.
While he is often called the hero of 9/11, the truth is that Rudy was a terrible leader during his years as mayor of New York City.
He made bad decisions and took a girlfriend while being married.
In fact, he even wanted his lover to live in the same house with his wife.
Most people would call this perverted.
New Yorkers were so sick of his antics, that they wanted him out of office.
Then came 9/11.
The only reason people call Giuliani a hero today, is because he just happened to be NYC's mayor during that bad time.
Any mayor would be looked at as a hero if they showed their face under those circumstances.
If there was no 9/11, Rudy would have become a joke.
This is not the kind of leader we want in the White House.
In closing, the New York Post reported in their paper on April 23, that Giuliani spent more than $48,000 dollars of campaign money on posh hotels while claiming to have spent the least of all the Republican candidates.
Rudy is a good time leader, and does it with other people's money.
George Vreeland Hill
The MSNBC poll is tied to a windows liveID. So deleting cookies wouldn't help. But of course there are potentially ways around that. That's why Fox switched to a phone poll, but it didn't help reduce the votes. But then there is the fact that after the first debate Ron Paul's web site traffic tripled, and he was the # search term on technorati. His phones were ringing off the hooks, etc. I'm not saying that some of this support is just because of some dedicated activist, but there is a lot of real support from those that have heard his message. And that's the point of the big scientific polls - those are random calls to people, who in all likelihood have never heard of Ron Paul. Hopefully the numbers will turn around as his message spreads.
Good article.