Defend our freedom of choice

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You do have a freedom to choose an abortion. But if it is one minute before the baby is about to be born, it's too late. One day before the baby is to naturally birth.. too late... and so forth. Thus, we can all happily agree that there are LIMITS to your choice. You have to do it in a timely fashion. If the fetus has developed past 8 weeks, game over. Get your shit together.

It's not as simple as it seems. Some defects aren't detected until late in the pregnancies. Some women don't even realize they are pregnant until later in the pregnancy. If a mother's life is endangered, the only way to save her life is to destroy the fetus late in the pregnancy. I had a friend who was told that if she gave birth to her child, he would have 5% of surviving due to a defect, she didn't wnat to face the traumatic emotional dilemmna of losing her baby, so she decided upon a partial-birth abortions. Every rule should have an exception, even if there are regulations. Things aren't as simple, or black and white as some people would make them out to seem.

Legitimate health issues for baby or mother should be considered in all cases. But if it's simply as a means of birth control, there need to be limits. And in most cases, abortion is being used for birth control.

even i don't think abortion should be a method of birth control, that is wrong. but i support it in cases where health of mother is at risk..

i totally agree. i'm not debating that though. my argument is abortion shoudl be allowed period. of course i disagree with those abusing this procedure, but i don't think it should be banned

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I'm really conflicted about this. Abortion really does prevent a possible human being from having a chance to live. Yet many years ago while I was in nurse's training in NYC I saw a teenage girl dying of blood poisoning because she used a knitting needle to abort her fetus. No matter how illegal they make abortion, there are desperate women who will do it anyway for one reason or another. Maybe councelling before abortion should be mandatory. People are doing to easily for their own convenience these days.

Thank you for giving me this choice.

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I would not call fromt he U.K. but where i can go on line to read and support?

thanks. im nto sure if you can support this cause in the UK. But i'm sure there are some natonal pro-choice groups. I'm nto aware of any. But I'm glad you display such interest in helping, even though you are outside the U.S

Thank you for sharing this.

thanks for reading and commenting

I thought about commenting but decided not to. I would probably get flagged or a bunch of hate e-mail.

The U.S Constitution grants us freedom of speech under the 1st ammendment. Feel free to speak without fear. As the great FDR noted: "The only thing to fear, is fear itself." Even if you disagree with my discussion, feel free to bring up your viewpoint as long as you remain respectable and courteous.

I agree. In any case, they should be legal. And I agree women should make smarter choices. But in many cases abortions are emergency resorts. And late in the pregnancy is the time when many defects, ilnesses in the fetus are noted. Again, I repeat as I mentioned earlier. I read this story of a 35 year old woman, married in a committed relationship. She was pregnant and late in her pregnancy the doctors noted her child would have a ten percent chance of living once outside the womb. Why would anyone put themsleves through the psychological ordeal of birthing that child? Even though it was a tough choice, she had an abortion and she lives with no regrets. Not all abortions are done as a result of unprotective, irresponsible sex.

Woman's body , woman's choice.

Sigriet, nice job on tackling a touchy issue, you've had a surprisingly civil discourse here which, especially considering the subject is remarkable. I posted an article along these lines about a month ago. However the premise of my article was not pro-choice vs pro-life as in where do you stand, but rather that the Pro-life position is a much more consistent, therefore definable and defensible one. If one takes the position (I am neither advocating or criticizing here) that life begins at conception, then it is very cut and dry, yes? The pro-choice position is nothing but grey area. Almost every group has different times during a prenancy up until which an abortion can be performed. As it stands now it is a state issue as far as regulation.
I ask you though to ponder this argument. It is the reverse of the slippery slope argument pro-choice uses to fight ANY restrictions on abortion rights. Follow me for minute UP this slope.

If partial birth abortion is legal, that is a procedure where literally the head of the baby is emerging from the cervix and the doctor then terminates that fetus, literally 10 inches and 30 seconds from changing from a fetus to a baby, correct?
Now what if say some of the prenatal tests were incorrect and this baby is born blind, or deaf or both. Now why should that 10 inches and 30 seconds prevent that mother from being able to choose not to be burdened for the rest of her life with such a profoundly handicapped child? After all the OB/GYN missed it on the test, she was cheated of her chance to make an INFORMED choice, was she not? Why not allow a 10 day probationary period where infanticide is legal? I mean what is the difference truly? A 10 year old is no more or less viable on it's own than a full term fetus is it? When it comes down to it that mother is the one who will have to shoulder that burden for the next 18-20 years...
The same holds true for any arbritrarily designated limit. One state has a limit at 5 months. What if the last 3 days of the month fall on a holiday? Does she get hte extra time added? When it comes right down to it, what is the difference between 150 days and 150 and 1/2 days???
If that same woman gets in a car accident ono the way to the clinic to get that abortion and the fetus is killed, that fetus suddenly becomes a baby and the other driver is charged with vehicular homicide. How can that be? If it's not a life it can't be homicide, if it is a life then a doctor has taken an oath to never knowingly do harm to a person...... Do you see the apparent conundrum or paradox?
Just something to think about....

Ummmmmm I obviously meant 10 day old.....

common sense a 10.

Chris, you bring up a very fascinating viewpoint. I, too have wondered about what difference there is. If it isn't yet essentially a human being, then why is it in certain circumstances it is treated as one. Maybe it's a matter of choice and intention. If a woman decides to terminate the pregnancy that is her choice, yet if she is brutally beat up and her fetus is lost, then it is homicide as the end of the pregancy was not intended and not wanted by the mother. It's about convenience and intention.

Ok Sigriet, what about eh on the way to the clinic scenario? She is about to terminate the pregnancy........A drunk driver hits her and she spontaneously miscarries.......In MAss. he's charged with homicide, where if the doctor does it in the clinic he gets paid by Mass Health.....Do you see my point about the "purity" of position?

Chris, I see the dilemma this issue can create. Essentially the same thing will occur will the accident or the clinical procedure, except it is the method. Also, the mother runs a higher risk of dying along with the fetus when she is hit by the drunk driver, as opposed to being in a sanitary clinic with a professional doing the procedure. If she miscarries it is no different from her choosing the abortion, because she intended to terminate the fetus anyway. I think the drunk driver should be responsible for the mother's death solely, not the fetus.

I think you see what I am talking about. These laws vary wildly state by state. There is no consistency. They almost seem arbitrary...

Chris, you brought up very interesting points. I agree that in certain situation the views fail to coincide.