This is a paper I have been working on for a couple of weeks for a class project. Any/all suggestions and arguments are welcome. The question is should Socrates attempt escape from Athens, based on his moral theory of living well. Ideas presented are based on the reading, class discussions and personal interpretation. In light of some recent postings here regarding taking responsibiliy for one's actions, I thought this might bring to light an "ancient" idea of an honorable man. My short interpretation is, "If I accept citizenship, I agree to know and understand the laws. If I find an unjust law, through logical reasoning, and break that law, it is my honorable duty accept the consequences of my actions."
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In Plato's "Crito", Socrates is presented with a choice of attempting escape from execution. Socrates and Crito debate the option, based on Socrates' assessment of living well, defined as being honorable and just.
Socrates had used reasoning through logic to dictate his actions during his life, and uses the same in making this decision. After examination, the fundamental reason for not escaping was mandated by his sense of moral consciousness, as escaping would be an injustice to the honor and justice he revered.
The deliberation begins with whom his escape would affect. Although the population of Athens can put him to death, it is the opnion of those (or, as stated in the the text, the "one") who understand the essence of justice he would wish to appeal. It is Socrates' opinion that escaping would not only disgrace him with the "one" who understood justice, but also negate the values by which he had lived.
Socrates lived in Athens for 70 years and accepted Athenian law through accepting his citizenship. He had the opportunity of leaving had he wished. He understood the laws and knew when he went to trial it was his task to persuade the population of his innocence, or accept the consequences. He presented his argument during the trial based upon being honorable. Although it may have seemed unjust by some that he be sentenced to death, by going to trial instead of leaving, he made an agreement to accept the ruling of the state.
He also agreed he could have suggested exile as opposed to death for his sentencing. Of note, in the previous reading of "Apology," Socrates declared, "it is his duty to remain and face the danger without thinking of death or of anything except dishonor." He also stated, "there is no man who could make me consent to do wrong from fear of death." He further states that even if he were aquitted, he would continue his pursuits of philosophy. Based on this premise, to attempt escape simply because of that fear would be breaking an honorable contract with Athens and her laws.
Socrates believes not living within the law would be to abandon all principles. If he should now break the law, there would be doubt cast upon his innocence, i.e, as stated in "Crito," "a man who is a subverter of law may well be supposed to be a corrupter of the young and thoughtless."
To attempt escape would be to proclaim his disrespect for Athens, denouncing his recognition of Athenian law by not honoring his contract of accepting citizenship. And foremost, by leaving he would show contempt for his own ideals.....living well through the means of living as an "honorable and just man."


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It comes to this, when you raise your right hand and swear by all you believe in and hold dear you have created a bond between yourself and the oath you have taken. To break that oath, the law, you must be held up to the same justices system you sworn to obey. You cannot be a Honorable man if when the wrong you placed upon your shoulders you wish not to be held to the same standards as other.
Today there are not very many Honorable men....
Thanks you Debbie C., and I will.
It is a matter of honor as Ronnie said.
Would we do the same as these three men?
Probably not.
The choice between the two is very much a moral and philiosophical decision that is filled with the plague of where do you stop, and what laws do you abide too. If you can view one, even justly as unjust, then you can also view others equally unjust because they are from the same source.
Socrates made his choice not because it was right, but to risk the temtation would be to open a pandora's box he wished not to. Also if you look at some of his teachings that have survived through Plato's writings, then you will see that to risk unnecesary delimmas is far better than to do the conscionable action due to a political or personal motive. If a political action is needed it is best to do so with a community collective than one person taking a stand.
I think you did a good job on this thought, and I agree it is very well stated.
Dan, as you probably know, he was on trial (basically) teaching people to think, accused of corrupting the young and thoughtless. He stayed for the trial because he felt it was unjust to NOT do so, and states if acquitted he would continue his philsophical pursuits. So in essence, I think he was trying to change a law. (or society's thinking and therefore a law)
Hmmm.....thnks - perhaps I need to draw that idea out more - I've implied it, but not specifically stated - "if one feels a law is unjust, do what you can to change it, even if it means you have to BREAK the law - as long as you accept the consequences." Very good, and thank you again for pointing this out.
No your paper is good. Socratesviolated the law in an effort to bring to the attention that the law was unjust, not to break the law. In his mind the two were not the same. So in his view, which is why I stated my response the way I did, was he thought he was not breaking the law, thereby was not guilty of it. He was employed there to teach the young minds, but not to teach them to think for themselves but as subjects of the community (I believe I have that part right. Been many years since I read it).
Thank you for the follow up post. I feel as though I've learned something. Jeanj.
Aristotle's thought process is a logical one, but there is also much to be said about our current democratic ideals, which allow for dissent. Although we all live by rules and laws which have been enacted by a representative legislature, we do and should have recourse when these laws fall contradictory to their ideals.
I have not been exposed to Greek history for at least 15 years, but their structure was not based on a open interpretations such as our Constitution. This allowed little room for interpretation within the community; a law was what it was. Their principles, although democratic in nature, were not broad enough to allow for reason to overcome law. That is the beauty of our democracy over those past. Although Greeks had a more active role in their democracy because it was a direct democracy, they had no philosophy other than the rule by majority. That was Aristotle's downfall and in the end the instrument of his death.
The second one was to open a discussion regarding responsibility and justice. From the comments, people are thinking - and that is the most important of the two goals I set out for.
Thank you for your insight and thoughts, both are most apppreciated. Jean
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~