A ‘discussion’ I had with someone on Gather got me thinking and thus writing.
A question formed and that is the lead in to this brief essay: Which tribe has truth?
I am defining the word ‘tribe’ in this context to describe each and every religious community. Each one I am calling a ‘tribe’.
Now each of these tribes has a core set of beliefs, a tale that tells who they are. Those tribes of literary inclinations have created a book, a set of sacred scriptures. Thus, I ask: which set of sacred scriptures is true?
I see the problem with a tribal mind is that the words supporting one specific tribal mind supports any other specific tribal mind – hence their worthlessness as an offering to solve the question of what is truth and where can it be found. Tribal minds can yell at each other but they can not hear each other.
I will quote from he who inspired me to make my point. He excellently expressed the tribal mind and the tribal belief in exclusivity.
He wrote this:
“Like I said guys, that Book is not a simple piece of literature. It says that if you come looking to see what God has to say to you, you will hear Him. It says if you come for some petty or selfish reason, you will hear semi-nonsensical gibberish.
You may have seen one side of that claim come true, and so nothing is revealed. You are perfectly free to check out the other half , but that would require a different mindset. Unless and until you do that, you really can't know the offer is malarkey. If you think it through, you'll realize that is a rather sophisticated conundrum you're in. You simply can't approach it's resolution as an ego. Pretty crafty idea, huh?
There it sits. The big bad know-it-alls can't know it all. You can theorize. You can bitch. You can stupidly point at all sorts of irrelevant stuff people might have done. You can say what you saw so far. But there it sits.”
Now watch what happens when I put his words into the context of one specific tribe:
“Like I said guys, New Testament is not a simple piece of literature. It says that if you come looking to see what God has to say to you, you will hear Him. It says if you come for some petty or selfish reason, you will hear semi-nonsensical gibberish.
You may have seen one side of that claim come true, and so nothing is revealed. You are perfectly free to check out the other half, every other Sacred Scripture, but that would require a different mindset. Unless and until you do that, you really can't know the offer is malarkey. If you think it through, you'll realize that is a rather sophisticated conundrum you're in. You simply can't approach it's resolution as an ego. Pretty crafty idea, huh?
There it sits. The big bad know-it-alls can't know it all. You can theorize. You can bitch. You can stupidly point at all sorts of irrelevant stuff people might have done. You can say what you saw so far. But there it sits.”
Now to beat the dead horse watch what happens when I make this alteration:
“Like I said guys, the Koran is not a simple piece of literature. It says that if you come looking to see what God has to say to you, you will hear Him. It says if you come for some petty or selfish reason, you will hear semi-nonsensical gibberish.
You may have seen one side of that claim come true, and so nothing is revealed. You are perfectly free to check out the other half, every other Sacred Scripture, but that would require a different mindset. Unless and until you do that, you really can't know the offer is malarkey. If you think it through, you'll realize that is a rather sophisticated conundrum you're in. You simply can't approach it's resolution as an ego. Pretty crafty idea, huh?
There it sits. The big bad know-it-alls can't know it all. You can theorize. You can bitch. You can stupidly point at all sorts of irrelevant stuff people might have done. You can say what you saw so far. But there it sits.”
Do you get it? The statement from one tribe proclaiming and asserting exclusivity to their tribe as the only source of truth is indistinguishable from a statement made by someone in a different tribe proclaiming and asserting exclusivity to their tribe as the only source of truth.
Exclusivity works for each and every tribe and thus is a concept that is useless and irrelevant.
This planet is made up of many tribes. There is no way to honestly and objectively to ascertain which tribe is exclusively true. The idea that there is only one true faith is an assertion that requires an emotional tie to a specific group. If you have that emotional tie- generally formed from your birth into a family that is a member of a specific tribe, then the proclamations of that birth tribe feels right.
But each tribe proclaims they have the truth. The one you were born into and the one someone else was born into.
My tribe is all of humanity. My idea of the Divine is that the divine inspires all of humanity. The fact is undeniable that ALL tribes make the claim that they were inspired by the divine.
I have no trouble studying any one single book just to see what it specifically has to offer but I can not accept the idea that it is the exclusive source of Divine truth.
I can’t not because I can’t imagine it, but I can’t because the facts don’t add up. I have read the other books and I have heard the others when they claim that they have the truth.
I just can’t find a way to say that any one and only one is exclusively the only truth. There is no way to tell that only one tribe has the truth.
Hence it makes more sense to say they all are inspired which is exactly what they all claim to be.
The hypothetical of only one is a logical possibility but a statement that in the context of the real world can not be demonstrated. There is no way to tell.
Thus, the only conclusion I reach is to accept the most inclusive answer – the Divine has inspired everyone. Each tribe, each scripture offers a piece of the truth.


Comments: 16
10 anyway.
Check out Joseph Campbell. He described it this way (to paraphrase). Your Religion is someone else's Myth, and what is Myth to you is someone else's Religion. There is really no difference between the two. The trick is to see either not as literal truth but as a marvelous allegory or metaphor.
Cheers!
But eventually, though I was getting good service from that choice, I began to wonder about some of the other choices of the major three. I then went shopping around to inquire about the other/s ... eventually I was attracted to the next and made the major switch taking my immediate family along (family should stick together) ... now I had a new experience that did not take all that long to get used to and eventually swore that it was the best yet ... who knows (?) maybe someday I will get the itch before I die and it is too late to look into the 3rd choice also, it does look very attractive and the downsides are about the same it seems ... and I do not expect my family to care all that much because I do the research and study ahead of time and they all trust me along those lines.
I still respect the first and like it very much, chevrolets are great, fords are fine, and someday I will try a chrysler.
They all go down the same paths and they all seem to get there in the end providing they are kept tuned up and driven with respect. But I have heavy duty expectations and like to cover all bases so they are each my 4x4 'trucks', one of each.
Peace, j,.
If we assume Divine input it is infinite and the output is always finitely human.
I do not beleive that the sacred scriptures are the word of god but the inspired by god words of humans.
Indeed, the parables are not untrue; they just offer simple explanations that can be grasped simply, with only a hint to the wise for deeper meaning. The one in the Mark passage is the great parable of the sower. Simply, it matters what ground you sow your seed on. Deeper, as Jesus explains, "the sower sows the word."
Now I know Islam has an esoteric dimension, as do Christianity and Judaism, and I believe the same is true of Hinduism, Buddhism and the ancient Chinese paths. Even natural science has a language and concepts for outsiders and something else for those inside. Physicists have not really tried to get the general public to think through the implications of quantum theory, or dark matter/dark energy. Gee whiz is the parable-language of science.
And as you say, "the inspired by god word of humans," so scientists have "stumbled" on ideas, had dreams, "intuited," and so forth.
In Judaism there are considered four levels/layers of meanings for reading the Bible - aka TaNaK (which includes the Torah) and is known in the greek to english translation in the Christian world as the "Old Testament".
The TaNaK exists as a written text and as a "Oral" text - those levels of meaning and interpretations. The Rabbis teach to understand the text you need consider the commentary - those collections of "Oral" levels of meanings and interpretations.
There exists a similar concept with the teachings of the Chruch fathers - I just don't recall who was the proponent of that idea.
The "simple" level is the literal level, then the final level is the mystical. The other two are allegory/metaphor and analytic ones.
I deal in two basic levels for simplicity (as referenced in Gary's mention of four levels) The base for the normal, that of the masses, I call the objective exoteric.
Transcendent to that is the subjective esoteric. The latter is understood and/or experienced by a very few in relationship to the former. I am very encouraged to read your concept of the scientists that are open to the gee-whiz of the esoteric ... I have never heard it put that way before as an acknowledgment of such (though I am aware that many in the Quantum fields do see it that way, I have read some of their books.)
Simple duality of (+/-) is the exoteric (in my concept) and it transcended by the esoteric recognition of Spirit as the 'bridge' between opposition, as the "=" in the triad of (+=-).
I see what you are saying with this, you can apply anything to any "tribe". The religion you grow up in is most likely the one you will follow when you are an adult just because you were taught it was the right way. It doesn't matter which "tribe" is right or wrong, I don't think it's about that. I think religion is just a way for a group of people to get in touch with God in the best way they see fit.
Interesting article. I happen to come from the Hindu tribe with all the escoteric thinking and now have come to accept Jesus Christ as my Spiritual 'filter' if I can use that metaphor to reconcile my spirit to God the creator(Good and Pure). I have divorced myself currently from any physical church for I have concluded that they manipulate you into believing that they know it all. No one knows it all. All tribes believe by faith and life's experiences. I believe only Christianity and New Testament offers this choice of redemptive hope.
Truth, hope and healing can be found in any religion.
"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true." [paraphrased] Buddha
I couldn't agree more! Truth is...where you find it!
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U wishing you laughter