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by Edward Nudelman
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January 17, 2006

POETRY CENTRAL Vol. 1 No. 2 The Heat of Poetry

February 11, 2007 08:08 PM EST (Updated: February 12, 2007 06:02 PM EST)
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What is a poem?  What makes a poem a good poem?  Mark Flanagan, a contemporary poet and savvy free-lance writer, provides an excellent and concise definition:  “Poetry is an imaginative awareness of experience expressed through meaning, sound, and rhythmic language choices so as to evoke an emotional response. Poetry has been known to employ meter and rhyme, but this is by no means necessary. Poetry is an ancient form that has gone through numerous and drastic reinvention over time. The very nature of poetry as an authentic and individual mode of expression makes it nearly impossible to define.”  I like this because it makes two points that I have long held to be true of poetry.  First, it defies formal description.   A poem may have rhyme, and it may not.  A poem cannot be simply defined by a set of parameters relating to its form.  Thus, it becomes difficult to qualitatively assign value to different kinds of poems.  The second point is even more important.  Flanagan is careful to stress that poetry has a primary intent that reaches into the emotional perceptions of our consciousness.   Robert Frost said, “Poetry is when an emotion has found its thought and the thought has found words.”  This takes into consideration both the fundamental building blocks of poems (words) as well as the “fuel” (emotions) that one might say ignites and allows those words to burn.  In writing a poem, we seek to find in the language a kind of expression that is filled with energy.  We don’t look to language as a tool, necessarily, but rather work to uncover the beauty, awe, wit, paradox, understanding, beauty… (the list goes on), that already resides in the form and structure of our language. 

 

I like to think of poetry as a collection of words, each with their own potential energy.  We seek to group the words in such a way that will increase that energy, like rolling a huge ball up a hill.  The higher it goes, the farther it will roll down.  Poetry finds a language that is hidden in the vernacular of our imagination.  It will have a certain sound (especially when read by the author, with the author’s full intent) that will sound like poetry.  As prosaic as this appears, it becomes clearer if one listens to enough poetry recited out loud (podcasts of poets can be widely found on the web, not only by contemporary poets, but also past recordings of great 20th century poets like Auden, Frost, Plath, Bishop, and Dylan Thomas, to name just a few).  It is in the hearing of poems read aloud that I have come to appreciate in a special way this dynamic force of building energy in great poetry.  

 

In this connection, Robert Bly, one of our leading contemporary poets (as well as an acclaimed translator, essayist and editor), has much to say concerning what he calls the “heat” often found in great poetry.  In his introduction to David Lehman’s, The Best American Poetry, 1999, Bly explains how easy it is to realize when you’re reading a truly wonderful poem full of heat.  “We can tell when a poem has arrived by a certain feeling in the gut, as if a dismaying thought had slipped past our defenses.  We feel that something has been taken seriously enough that it has hurt the poet.”  A poem which he cites as one example, and one that I agree is packed with potential energy that gets unleashed at the end, is a little masterpiece by Ruth Stone  entitled, “A Moment,”

Across the highway a heron stands
in the flooded field. It stands
as if lost in thought, on one leg, careless,
as if the field belongs to herons.
The air is clear and quiet.
Snowmelt on this second fair day.
Mother and daughter,
we sit in the parking lot
with doughnuts and coffee.
We are silent.
For a moment the wall between us
opens to the universe,
then closes.
And you go on saying
you do not want to repeat my life.

Notice the tremendous and almost simultaneous convergence at the end of the poem of both cognitive recognition and emotional energy.  At once you understand that the gulf of separation between the mother and the daughter is paramount, and your emotional pump, if you will, has been well primed in the intense sensations of beauty and simplicity that are found in the scene described before the last leveling couplet.  Before you even understand all there is to understand here, you get a jolt, one that gets locked into your brain and your emotions.  A jolt you likely won’t forget for some time.  That’s a great poem.  Further, and importantly, one is not struck here with the details of form, line breaks, rhyme schemes (even though there are none).   One doesn’t have time to consider if the poem resembled prose or had a classical “poetry skin.”  And this is not say that rhyming or metered poetry cannot have just as much heat.  Let’s be clear on this point!  What makes this poem wonderful is what it has to say and how it was said.  You feel it.

But don’t always go looking for a bolt of lightening or a knock over the head that dumps you off your chair.  Heat can affect different people in different ways.  It can be subtle.  It can be funny.  Take Billy Collins, one of America’s most acclaimed living poet’s (and poet laureate) who is known for his profound levity and an uncanny perception of the foibles of everyday life.  One example of heat in Collins’ poetry from a lighter side, is seen his poem, “Consolation,” in which he goes to great pains to describe how relieved he is to NOT be taking a holiday in Italy, but left to meander around his own neighborhood.   The poem begins,

How agreeable it is not to be touring Italy this summer,
wandering her cities and ascending her torrid hilltowns.
How much better to cruise these local, familiar streets,
fully grasping the meaning of every roadsign and billboard
and all the sudden hand gestures of my compatriots.

 

The heat is building up here, but not nearly boiling yet.  Collins is laying the groundwork for a powerful, if not lighthearted ending, that sticks in the brain and evokes a response.  He uses four more brilliant stanzas to fully hammer home the personal benefits found domestically, as contrasted with the headaches of an overseas junket where he might be found, for example, “slouching in a café ignorant of the word for ice.”  Finally, the poem ends in a magnificent explosion of heat:

 

And after breakfast, I will not have to find someone
willing to photograph me with my arm around the owner.
I will not puzzle over the bill or record in a journal
what I had to eat and how the sun came in the window.
It is enough to climb back into the car

as if it were the great car of English itself
and sounding my loud vernacular horn, speed off
down a road that will never lead to Rome, not even Bologna.

 

I don’t know about you, but I’m nodding my head, grinning and thinking of all the times I’ve felt exactly this way, thanking my lucky stars that my car is taking me home for a hot shower and not to the mall (or anywhere else on the planet).

 

Elizabeth Bishop’s monumental poem, “In the Waiting-room, takes place in the waiting room of a dentist’s office.  What appears to be an orphaned child is leafing through a copy of National Geographic and finding all those graphic pictures of natives in the bush, etc. (who can’t identify with that?) as her “foolish aunt” is being worked on in the next room.  The poem is a complex commentary on the discovery of self and early delineations of language and discovery.  Remarkably, the act of waiting is nimbly converted into a rite-of-passage experience as well as a startling discovery of her identity.  The poem packs this kind of heat like a six shooter:

 

Suddenly, from inside,
came an oh! of pain
--Aunt Consuelo's voice--
not very loud or long.

........................

. . .What took me
completely by surprise
was that it was me:
my voice, in my mouth.
Without thinking at all
I was my foolish aunt,
I – we - were falling, falling,
our eyes glued to the cover
of the National Geographic,
February, 1918.

 

I cannot end this short essay on what makes a poem a good poem, without giving you my own personal choice for one of the hottest poems I’ve ever read.  It is Gerard Manley Hopkins’  sublime poem, “Spring and Fall,” which, in my estimation, starts off hot and continues to build steam all the way through.


            Margaret, are you grieving

            Over Goldengrove unleaving?

Leaves, like the things of man,

You, with your fresh thoughts

Care for, can you?

Ah! as the heart grows older

It will come to such sights colder

By and by, nor spare a sigh

Though worlds of wanwood leafmeal lie

And yet you will weep and know why.

Now no matter, child, the name

Sorrow's springs are the same:

It is the blight man was born for,

It is Margaret you mourn for.

               

That is potential energy mounting in each word, collecting heat with each new line- the heat of a grieving Margaret who mourns for the leaves falling off the trees in her beloved town of Goldengrove- heat building as she is warned that as she grows older, much more “sights colder” will befall… that she “will yet weep and know why.”  All this amidst a beautifully strung series of white-hot words that draw you in to the final climax- reaching its atomic detonation in last fateful line, “It is Margaret you mourn for.”   This is the kind of heat that I aim for in writing poetry, and only rarely achieve.  I believe it is a hallmark of great poetry and a quality that we would all do well in trying to achieve, if only to catch a little of that kind of warmth in our words.

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Written by Edward Nudelman, Books Correspondent for POETRY CENTRAL

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Comments: 125

flit . Feb 11, 2007, 8:24pm EST
Another excellent offering
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lynn a. Feb 11, 2007, 8:29pm EST
Thank you for this article. I am anxiously awaiting the next one.
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Gerry Wass Feb 11, 2007, 8:31pm EST
I never seem to find the time to linger over or reread great things on Gather, but this is one I aspire to. The poetry and confidence in your prose makes it a joy to read and leads to easy inspiration. Not only that but you, my friend, have inspired me to once again try on a form of poetry and see if I can tailor it to myself. I have something ready at last and if I weren't writing to you, I'd already have it published!
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Jennifer F. Feb 11, 2007, 8:49pm EST
This article was so informative and kept my interest until the very last word. I loved the examples of how poetry can go past the body's normal defenses and strike right at the heart and soul.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 11, 2007, 8:58pm EST
Gerry, I'm so glad you're inspired to continue your poetry writing. From what I've read of your work, you have a great innate ability.
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Member Photog Feb 11, 2007, 9:01pm EST
hi,enjoyed your very well articulated article sprinkled with fine examples of the "heat"....i do not consider myself a poet by any means (exception being what i consider to be poetic photos),but like many,have expressed thoughts/impressions/feelings about a variety of places/people/experiences on whatever piece of paper was handy at the moment..
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Faith H. Feb 11, 2007, 9:03pm EST
Ed, there's so much to say as to what is a good poem or even what is a poem. We all try to push one envelope or another.
And thanks for highlighting one of my personal favorites, Elizabeth Bishop. I am astounded at her diligence and persistance in working and reworking a single poem over the course of years. She was working towards her personal ideal.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 11, 2007, 9:08pm EST
Yes Faith and Cindy, Bishop is an amazing poet.
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julian 'blighted karma' three Feb 11, 2007, 9:15pm EST
In my truly humble opinion, this is one of your best, and your own style, bridging that narrow divide between purely informative and conversational tones, is perfect in this article. Including Stone's totally unexpected, chill inducing emotional punch to the gut is masterful; but saving Hopkins for the final example is sheer genius!
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Lynn G. Feb 11, 2007, 9:16pm EST
"What makes a poem a good poem? " To me, it's personal reaction. When a poem stays with me, when I refer back to it as a touchstone.. that's a good poem.

I have 2 favorites: "Anyone Lived in a Pretty How Town" by e.e. cummings, and "L'invitation au Voyage" by Baudelaire. I don't know why those two are important to me, but I know I have to have them available. I keep them in my desk.

Thanks for an article that makes me think, Ed... this is just what a winter night needed!
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John F Walter Feb 11, 2007, 9:17pm EST
Great essay, Ed. I'm going to stop by tomorrow and say something much more extensive, with a little duende worthy of Lorca, but right now I just want to congratulate you on picking so many great poets and poems to elucidate key insights into poetry, and what what makes some poetry truly great. I love the way you ended this piece with the Hopkins. Simply sublime.
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Lynn Doiron Feb 11, 2007, 9:17pm EST
Great information clearly presented and excellent links. Thankyou.
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Barbara B. Feb 11, 2007, 9:21pm EST
Well Edward you certainly have my attention now! I have written several poems and I must start sorting things out in different boxes until I find them. I think you may find some of them readable, and to your liking, at least I hope you will.
Thanks for sharing this with Gather. Kudos
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Edward Nudelman Feb 11, 2007, 9:24pm EST
Lynn G. Thanks for leaving two of your favorite poems. I love the ee cummings you cite.
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Shawnee G. Feb 11, 2007, 9:25pm EST
I am by no means a writer or a poet. I have come to the conclusion that above all the things mentioned in this article, is personal taste. One persons experiences may lend them a reason to "connect" to certain poems that are not popular or well liked with most people.
Very well written Edward. You chose your examples well, they illustrated your points well enough even the non poetic reader can understand them.
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Wendy F. Feb 11, 2007, 9:35pm EST
Edward, I really enjoyed reading your article.I am learning more about poetry from reading your work. I find that I have to read most poetry out loud to really make sense out of what I am reading . Oh I love that poem by Billy Collins - "Consolation" I live on a somewhat famous island, it can seem not so special until you view it through tourist eyes !
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Edward Nudelman Feb 11, 2007, 9:44pm EST
Thanks Shawnee, and I agree, personal taste is key.

Billy Collins poetry just flows like honey. You can read it for hours on end and never get tired
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Mark Scheel Feb 11, 2007, 9:50pm EST
Well done, Ed. Excellent examples, all, of "heat."
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Matthew Emmett Townsend Feb 11, 2007, 9:55pm EST
MY favorite reading poets are Robert Frost and Emily Dickens. ... to very different types of poets...

When I read new poets I usually try to reward them twice, at different times of the day, because the day and moods can change how I view a poem...

But to me the best poetry is not necessarily rhythmic nor a follower of rules...
ut one that strikes the soul resonating my whole being...
imagery that brings out real emotion...
that is the cusp of true poetry (to me)...

but alas, poetry is different with each poet and each moment and each is as uneque as each snowflake that fall's...

Thank you Edward
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Mandi -Watch where the chalk-white arrows go. To the place where the sidewalk ends. S.S. Feb 11, 2007, 10:01pm EST
as usual you delight and awe me. Oh when oh when will you publish??
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Edward Nudelman Feb 11, 2007, 10:11pm EST
Hi Mandi. I'm working on that.

Emmett, great comments, and I love Emily Dickinson also. Her poems are complex, but worth wading into the rougher waters
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Donna M. Feb 11, 2007, 10:12pm EST
Poetry is music of the soul and being - many different words, said many different ways but all accomplish the same thing...they touch the heart of the matter no matter what the thought may be...they are written by one and heard by many.
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Carolion Grailbear Feb 11, 2007, 10:13pm EST
And then there's the ancient way: the Poet was/is the Praise-Singer, the Playwright...and the words are set to music....and Poet = Ceremonialist.

The Druids called that Heat of MOON + TREES the "greenfire."
And when Emily Dickinson spoke of being able to recognize a poem because of that feeling of the top of her head coming off or opening up.......Ahhhhhhhhh - --- The True Poetry, the language in which we commune with the Sacred, the feeling in the belly that rises and rises to become the Fire in the Head.........Poetry. Yahhhhhhhhh.
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Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Feb 11, 2007, 10:13pm EST
Excellent effort, Ed, very informative and nice clear, concise, presentation.
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Laura Cushing Feb 11, 2007, 10:15pm EST
As a poet, I can really appreciate this. Thank you.
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Elsie Duggan Feb 11, 2007, 10:22pm EST
wonderful article Edward, I feel humbled by reading such great poetry. A novice here but will continue writing. Never expect to be great, just enjoying myself. Thank you for all this wonderful information and poetry.
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Kev B. Feb 11, 2007, 10:42pm EST
Nice article. Presents poetry in a way so that anyone can begin to appreciate it. Even heathens like me that have hard time understanding poetry.
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Dawne Joy Feb 11, 2007, 10:55pm EST
I believe a good poem, simply, is a poem that moves you in one way or another. It makes you feel something.
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deZengo m Feb 11, 2007, 11:04pm EST
I am not well versed in poetry, so I hesitate to say much and embarrass myself, but I agree with Dawne J. The styles are as different as the writers themself, but the point, as with any writing is to move its audience. Thank you for taking the time to explain some of the nuances for us.
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Ian M. Feb 11, 2007, 11:07pm EST
The first poem reminded me that we ought to clone famous people and particular people who we love, who would want to come back in the body they have known. Our chemistry is something for us to advance further, and yes I believe in reincarnation if that is something we are able to discuss. I think a poem is largely a mirror to us and our perception of people. We individually know the world in our capacity to learn more or desire to understand, where perhaps a lack of understanding allows a different perception. Right now, I don't feel this is me talking, I'm not used to talking this way. I think it's energy or a higher power because for a moment there I had the focus to say something toward a sense that I sometimes have, which I find present in a novel I wrote. I think poems do have energy in that we have energy being drawn out from the lines being said. And how do we feel when we watch a rap video? Don't you find it insulting sometimes? Are people that degenerative? Poetry is meant to be loving and nurturing to our perception. I don't think I'm alone in wanting my writing to reach people, and I admire people who are in the effort to care for themselves and others. And I don't like feeling people don't want that from me, but it's much to learn from as there are people who may feel the same way I do. Poetry is what I have shared with you here, it is my energy, sometimes desperate to get the right words out, other times clear and focused, relaxed, with understanding of just what should be said. And we belong to a world which we are destroying.
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Linda R. Feb 11, 2007, 11:38pm EST
Wonderful essay, Ed. A precise exclusive definition of poetry is almost impossible because it is or can be so many different things to different people. For me the feelings, messages and memories are the most important aspects.
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Granny Janny H. Feb 11, 2007, 11:42pm EST
Your excellent article leaves me wanting for more. More morsels of the delicious excitement derived from the dance of words...Poetry is indeed HOT!
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Marsha F. Feb 11, 2007, 11:54pm EST
I've never read anything ABOUT poetry that I actually enjoyed...until now! This is a great article.
My first thought when you asked what makes a poem good, was that I should be able to relate to it, in some way, on some level. I see this answer already given here in the comments, worded in different ways.
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David D. Gilbaugh Feb 12, 2007, 12:03am EST
Edward,
So often I have asked the question you adress as I read poetry. I am often at a loss for what it is that causes me to say to myself: "That is a great poem." I am a little closer now to an answer with your insightful assistance. I appreciate the links and the the love you put into this thoughtful piece, and I will be looking for the "heat".
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Kathryn E. Feb 12, 2007, 12:11am EST
Ed, an excellent article about a complex subject. I feel the best poetry transcends all other types of verbal artistic expression: the best poems blend metaphor and meaning so that the sum is greater than the parts. Such a pedestrian way of saying what I want to say, but you know what I mean.

The poets you list are excellent and I will return in the next couple of days to read more of their work.

Years ago, as an undergraduate poetry was my flame, fueled by Roethke and Yeats, in particular.

The subtlety and richness we feel in physical communication is matched only by the best poetry.
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Twyla C. Feb 12, 2007, 12:17am EST
great article!
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John Knight Feb 12, 2007, 12:40am EST
Beautifully written piece.

I'm a bit odd, I know, in my view of this "heat" thing, but to me there needs to be something else going on to make poetry really good. Evoking strong emotions is important, to make the experience real and impressive, yet I feel the things "burned in" by the heat must be things I am better for having become a part of me. Without that "value" of wisdom through meaningful insight there is a sense of betrayal, like empty calories.

Heat is cool, but light is right.
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Kathryn E. Feb 12, 2007, 1:04am EST
Ed, an excellent article about a complex subject. I feel the best poetry transcends all other types of verbal artistic expression: the best poems blend metaphor and meaning so that the sum is greater than the parts. Such a pedestrian way of saying what I want to say, but you know what I mean.

The poets you list are excellent and I will return in the next couple of days to read more of their work.

Years ago, as an undergraduate poetry was my flame, fueled by Roethke and Yeats, in particular.

The subtlety and richness we feel in physical communication is matched only by the best poetry.
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Lalitha B. Feb 12, 2007, 1:10am EST
Poetry is sublime. It is an expression of feelings and emotion. I liked the way you put the explanation to poetry being energy. The poets you list are also some of the best I have read. Thanks a lot for posting this beautiful artistic essay on a complex subject.
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J. C. Feb 12, 2007, 1:37am EST
Ed, thank you. Because you take the time to write articles like this and share your own work with us, those of us who have some small talent with words are able to grow and mature that talent.
I hope at some point to be able to take my own poetry to an new level, so it's not simply an extension of the heart on my sleeve.
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Jerry Stubbs Feb 12, 2007, 1:57am EST
Ed, your writing is very informative, as usual. I never thought to describe what a poem is. But I agree with the other comments that it must evoke something in our inner self that we can relate to, tell a good story or could even be funny. Most of my shorter poems were written for a particular person, not the general public. And my long ones are usually travel epics. A few are possibly interesting to others.
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Debra H. Feb 12, 2007, 2:56am EST
Ed theres nothing I can say that hasn't already been said. I enjoy and admire your talents greatly.
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Stephanie S. Feb 12, 2007, 3:21am EST
That was a very enjoyable and immensely informative article. I haven’t not written in while. I don’t think of myself as a poet/writer at all. When I did write I couldn’t write when I sat down to do so. It was something that I had to do when one "came to me." Of the few things I haven’t written, I have noted that the more my body seemed to require sleep was the time when my mind was full of words that begged to be put down. As of late I haven’t honed into that; haven't felt the need to write things down. So I guess I feel like I've lost the knack so to speak.. but perhaps its still there. It just lay dormant for a while. I don't know. In reading your wonderful prose, Ed it seems to spark something in me. Perhaps I will try my hand at something in the near future.
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Sucheta D. Feb 12, 2007, 3:42am EST
Thank you, Ed, for the excellent and informative article
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Dolphi D. Feb 12, 2007, 4:29am EST
It is a very elucidating essay on the magic of poetry, which defies a single all-encompassing definition. For a beginner just initiating into poetry it is a good advice to read the poems aloud in order to tune in to the beauty and the form of words and their mechanics, which are essentially a physical carriage for transcendental feelings. Your essay somehow nudges us closer to grasp the sublime manner in which poetry packs its power and punch out of the raw marrow of human experiences through a sleight of juxtaposition of similarities in amazingly contrasting scenarios.

It is a profound essay, Edward.
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Ernie (Author of DESTINY OF THE DIVAS) Johnson Feb 12, 2007, 5:14am EST
This is an awesome article, to say the least. Even though I'm not generally poetically inclined, I've used poetry in the past to get a message across. Your examples lend credence to the art of poetry itself. Well done...!
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Mary C Legg Feb 12, 2007, 5:26am EST
"I like to think of poetry as a collection of words, each with their own potential energy. We seek to group the words in such a way that will increase that energy, like rolling a huge ball up a hill. The higher it goes, the farther it will roll down. "

very nicely written-- adn excellent choices of examples. thoroughly good writing and definitely not boring.
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PEACEOWORK :) Feb 12, 2007, 6:09am EST
Great article, informative, engaging, and interesting!

What else is there?
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PEACEOWORK :) Feb 12, 2007, 6:14am EST
One more time, Edward...

The poems you chose were delightful.

I felt it.

I especially enjoyed the last...
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Howard M. Feb 12, 2007, 6:43am EST
Yes.
Howard

P. S. When I get around to it, I have a long answer that is no improvement over your opening line by the excellent Flanagan.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 6:57am EST
Elizabeth, you can buy most of the "Best in American Poetry," series at Amazon.com.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 7:02am EST
Ian M. That was a great comment, and I thank you for it. But your statement, "Poetry is meant to be loving and nurturing to our perception," while I'd like to agree and I know what you're getting at... still, there are many examples of fine poetry with pretty amazing "shock value," that have different motives than perhaps this one you cite. I guess Ginsberg's HOWL would be the best example I could think of.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 7:04am EST
John Knight, true enough, many other components may be necessary to make a poem truly great than just its heat. I wouldn't take issue with that.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 7:06am EST
Stephanie, it's really great that this inspires you to write. I can't think of a better effect.
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Bart H. Feb 12, 2007, 7:28am EST
a transplanted west coast poet named nudelman
had this thought while watching his poodle run:
what could be worse
than new england's best verse,
that godawful yankee doodle man?
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 7:34am EST
that was a hot limerick, Bart!
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Charity M. Feb 12, 2007, 7:44am EST
(((POETRY: IS WHO WE ARE)))
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Ian M. Feb 12, 2007, 8:09am EST
Yeah, I agree, there is meaning in it all. But with those people love will still rule. Everything else seems to be ego.
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Malcolm Brookes Feb 12, 2007, 8:37am EST
Thank you Edward.

Reminds me of what William Wordsworth wrote about the nature of poetry:

"Poetry is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings: it takes its origin from emotion recollected in tranquility: the emotion is contemplated till, by a species of reaction, the tranquility gradually disappears, and an emotion, kindred to that which was the subject of contemplation, is gradually produced, and does itself actually exist in the mind. " Preface to the Second Edition of Lyrical Ballads, 1800.

In the light of what you say in the article one could add "evoking a powerful emotional response." But, then again, perhaps Wordsworth is saying that in the first, and last, part of his quotation?

Thanks for the mention and quote from Gerard Manley Hopkins, a great poet, wordsmith, inventor of words and innovative poetic meter. I recall, years ago, seeing a TV drama of Manley Hopkins' life. One of the near closing sequences was of a bonfire where Gerard's poems were being burnt. I wept.

Go well,
Malcolm/Offa
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Anne B. Grote Feb 12, 2007, 8:45am EST
I particularly like your choice of poems here. You chose great poems to support your thesis, and I do believe content over form is paramount in good poetry. Joseph Campbell says. "Poetry is the music of the spheres."
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♯ ♪ Feb 12, 2007, 8:46am EST
Excellent article.
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Bluey B. Feb 12, 2007, 8:48am EST
Hi Ed.I am most impressed with your skill as a writer.I have only read half but will return to finish when I have more time.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 8:58am EST
Malcolm, thanks for the great comment and quote by Wordsworth. Wordworth is one of about three/five poets that have been my personal "mentor"... and I was going to include this very quote, but opted for the more terse Frost quote, a poet that probably had the greatest influence on me in terms of expressing emotions and feelings in poetry.
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Pamela G. Feb 12, 2007, 9:34am EST
Ed-
Of course I can't add anything--it's all been said and all translates to: Very Well Done. Appreciate this article for many reasons-especially in order to enhance my own poetic ambitions and also to recognize the heart and meaning in the poetry of others. Thank you.
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Cheryl W. Feb 12, 2007, 9:49am EST
Great article, Edward.
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Bert Van Essen Feb 12, 2007, 9:51am EST
My definition of poetry fits in with what you wrote, "Poetry is words that go straight to the heart." I liked "Dead Poets Society", especially when the instructor Robin Williams has the students rip out the section on how to read and interpret poetry. You put much wotk in your article and it was worth it.
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Ruth MacGill Feb 12, 2007, 10:09am EST
The article is enjoyably informative and explains much to me. The comments are helpful, too. As in all things, however, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. I prefer poems that are readily understood, not coded in obscure phrases. My favorite poems all seem to be written by dead poets. I love Joyce Kilmer's 'Trees' - I think that I shall never see - a poem lovely as a tree------" And how about 'The Ryme of the Ancient Mariner', and 'The Highwayman'. My favorite poem is 'Forty Singing Seamen'. The first two books of poems I ever bought were Oxford Book of English Poetry, and a book of the terse verse of Ogden Nash. Currently, I most enjoy the works of Wilhelmina Estabrook, whose creations inevitably raise my spirits.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 10:20am EST
Ruth, really great examples of some wonderful poems. And while I agree that personal preference and "beauty in the beholder," has its validity, still there aspects of nearly everything we do, whether it's building house, painting paintings or writing grants for scientific research, where we can take a couple steps back and ask, what is it about what we're doing that really makes it excellent. So, I'm not disagreeing, but perhaps I am nudging a bit to try to get you to perhaps think a little differently.
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Connie C. Feb 12, 2007, 11:07am EST
Oh Ed,
I love your work. It is amazing. Dont you just hate it when The Gather Demon rears its ugly head and dont accept your article. LOL
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Sharon A. Feb 12, 2007, 11:20am EST
Wow!!! You really got us thinking Ed!!! I have been writing poetry since I could write. I lost friends over my addiction to writing when I was a young girl. That being said, you did a beautiful job as always from what I have seen.

I like poetry to reach out a grab my soul!!! Just grab me by the waistband and dance with me a little while.
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Mary McCartt Feb 12, 2007, 11:33am EST
Great article, Ed. I agree with Frost's description but how hard it is at times to find those words. Thanks for including the poem "Spring and Fall." I first read this in college and its one of my favorites.
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Vinay Benjamin Feb 12, 2007, 11:34am EST
Edward - thank you, agin for such awonderfully informative article. I'm really impressed in that you focus away from yourself and provide information that can genuinely help other aspiring writers "poilsh" their style. You'd make a great mentor!!
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Cynthia J. Feb 12, 2007, 11:49am EST
Edward, I was about to write a little article for Gather about the poetry reading I attended last night...but after reading your exquisite piece, I'm not so sure. On the other hand, you have given me excellent ideas to explore, if that's all right with you.
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patrick m. Feb 12, 2007, 12:05pm EST
:-)
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Larry H. Feb 12, 2007, 12:11pm EST
thanks for sharing
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vijay kumar Feb 12, 2007, 12:14pm EST
You cannot define man. You cannot define poetry too, perfectly.
Poetry is a connection between soul and soul through words. Melting distances. Words sing, dance, weep, laugh or scream. Words become a wind that soothes you in a summer of your inner being. Words form a string that saves you from suicide. They turn a page and open up an option for you to contemplate and continue to struggle,fight. Words become a fire that burn your senses. Words at times, take you on their wings on a journey to a wonderland which you have never visited. Poetry purifies. Poetry rejuvenates. Poetry gives you rebirth. It is the life of life. Light of light. You live for poetry. Poetry lives for you.

Ed, I want to write. You have inspired me, stirred my covert creative thirsts furiously, that I am on some unseen wings....

So beautiful and profound an article that I bow to you, my friend.
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David D. C. Feb 12, 2007, 12:30pm EST
What do I want with dense description. It makes my soup too thick, and if I burn my tongue, my emotions will be hot enough without the corn I now find indigestible in my old age. Can I just have my Parmesan cheese, butty and fine, without having to look at the pattern in the wallpaper though it may have equations for space travel, for I can look at the stars another time, after I've had my soup with a spoon thqat need not be silver like the moon, not large. I detest what the English college professors have done to my poetry. Analysis be gone. I am sick of forests and trees and the sunrise and sky and the details of ornaments, be they spoons or stars. I have an inner passion that's not in fashion, and I will not put up drapes just for the effete. It's my party and I'll rhyme if I want to....I'll examine my hexameter when hexes seem necessary. Pentameter is not my quintessential being. Give me five if it's a hand up, but otherwise wave goodbye without the tsunami. I have a turf to surf. Let me do my own splash in the soup.
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Rocko Beatz Feb 12, 2007, 12:38pm EST
Ed this is very well put together. I started to do some shameless self-promoting, but I guess I will just email just you. But once again great work.
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Katrina Hall Feb 12, 2007, 1:05pm EST
Edward, you are so amazingly articulate you make me swoon. Also, I suspect, a patient person. I tend to flip through poetry books and become seized with rollicking emotions, hooting and laughing, musing and thinking. Oh the wonderful Billy Collins with "as if, one by one, the memories you used to harbor/decided to retire to the southern hemisphere of the brain/to a little fishing village where there are no phones (forgetfuness). He has a wonderful sense of humor. And T.S. Eliot(I grow old....I grow old) and Lucille Clifton ( these hips are mighty hips) and Stanley Kunitz and Dylan Thomas and Maya Angelou( A rock, a river, a tree) - I dive in and come up gasping. And it all started in grade school when I first heard Walter De la Mare talking about silver fishes.
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Larry H. Feb 12, 2007, 1:19pm EST
very good artical thanks for sharing.
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 1:33pm EST
Cynthia... you must write it!
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 1:35pm EST
Katrina, what a great list you provide in your comment, thanks.
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Rushmore J. Feb 12, 2007, 2:23pm EST
Eddie baby, your stuff is always thoughtful and thought provoking. Another well crafted, logical, and emotionally engaging piece.
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Sonia M. Feb 12, 2007, 3:01pm EST
Edward, your down to earth approach at explaining poetry goes a long ways toward making me understand just a little bit better. There are many forms of poetry I enjoy reading, but have never tried my hand at writing it. I admire anyone who can!
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Sue * Feb 12, 2007, 3:05pm EST
Ed...thank you for the article. It answers questions that I really wanted answered. What I take away from this, is that poetry cannot simply be defined...it just is. You know it when you read it, write it, hear it...
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Suzi :Two sides to every story Feb 12, 2007, 3:26pm EST
Ed,
Your choice was excellent. I learned a bit more about poetry and the process, and the impact of collective words. Many thanks.
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Lars N. Feb 12, 2007, 3:43pm EST
Many in false light
shine hot
in fire

too many words
to be cool,
engulfed in
love

we are spectrum
together love
running from
arrogance

brushing
touching
a word humming
tingles of me
of us, thus
God

we protest the definition
this travesty of the dot
on the canvas

we are poetry

we will not succumb to
a quantum of soul-less
atomization

we are beyond the pompous
though usually silent

you may keep your medals
if it comforts you

congratulations
on your privilaged life

with all due respect

a wonderful essay
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 3:49pm EST
Sonia, you'll have to give us a poem!
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Richard W. Feb 12, 2007, 3:52pm EST
Thanx Ed. Imagery, message and meter, I think. +/- rhyme
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Adele G. Feb 12, 2007, 4:22pm EST
Beautiful, very well written.
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Hunter A. Feb 12, 2007, 5:15pm EST
Thanks man, I'm gonna print this out to bring to my writer's group tonight. Great stuff!!
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Sonia M. Feb 12, 2007, 5:43pm EST
Ed, I didn't say I could..............;-))
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Edward Nudelman Feb 12, 2007, 5:59pm EST
Now Sonia.... you... can! Stay tuned. Here's a sneak preview. My next Correspondent article is going to be a Poetry Workshop. Sonia, you WILL write a poem then, I command it.
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Debbie H. Feb 12, 2007, 7:47pm EST
This was a great article!!! A truly inspiring poem can leave a lasting impression on someone, and that's what you have done many times over:)
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