Severus Snape: Friend or Foe? (Comments 901+)

I think the Snape is secretly helping Dumbledore. Remember at tne end of the last book the Phoniex was the funeral for Dumbledore. I think that Dumblebore will be back in this book.

I totally agree

The only way he could come back is if he made a herocucurs and he is able to but it never really seem like D. would stoop that low or that he would want to become that evil.

yeah, their is going to be a major plot twist

yeah...

i think dumbledore is dead. Even if the possibilities of him coming back is high too, i don't think he will. I agree with you guys.

There are a lot of clues in throughout book 6 that tells us that Dumbledore isn't dead

1st is the sixth years learning how to cast spells without saying words--Snape took it one step further--when he suposedly killed dumbledore he said avada kadevra but was thinking something else (obviously a paralyzing spell)

think about it: Rowlings never wrote about casting silent spells in any of the previous h p books--there is a reason for that: its a conveniant way to make us think that Dumbledore is dead.

2nd is the way Dumbledore suposedly died: read page 596 in the hard cover book 6--it states that Dumdledore was blasted into the air where he hung there for a second or so, then he fell slowly backward over the battlements and out of sight. (probably the same dangling spell that harry learn from the Half blooded prince's potions book, earlier.)

THAT IS NOT how a victom dies when hit with the avada kedavra curse: in book 4 Rowlings had Mad Eye Moody explain to the fourth years that the victom simply falls dead, right then and there. And dont go by what happened to the victoms in the fourth movie (merley added special effects to add more excitement to the deaths in order to make more money)

This conclusion leads us to a new answer as to why Snape would fake killing Dumbledore.

Think about it: Dumbledore was sitting there all injured and helpless in front of several death eaters whom wanted him dead--Snape had to act first before the the death eaters took it upon them selves to do what draco melfoy could not do-- kill Dumledore. Then snape got rid of Dumbledores body by casting that dangling spell and guided Dumbledore over the castles battlement and out of sight, because if the death eaters gat the chance to check out the body they might have dicovered that he was not really dead.

take my word for it: Dumble dore isnt dead--I have the uncanny talent for predicting the outcome of movies at about twenty minutes into them, and I have used that talent to successfully predict what will happen next in every harry potter book

Rowlings is more than generous with providing us clues for every event in every H P book--she writes them all up on the wall (so to speak) for us all to see and I cant believe how off the wall the comments are on these chat sites.

Please, I dont mean to sound rude but read book 6 again and think about what Rowlings is telling us. Then on july 21st you are either gonna say jimmy b is full of ---- or I'm glad that I listened to him and read the book again (I know it will be the latter)

I believe jimmy b and have thought this as the answer for a long time, also this would fit into the unbreakable vow snape made, it didn't say he had to kill dumbledore like some comments assume he has to, just that he has to help draco, which he did by making it look like he killed Dumbledore, the clues are everywhere, and this also means that snape can not be evil. No way

Well, Jimmy B....
You certainly show some good points, a few of which you beat me to. I agree with you 100% and my main argument was the way that Dumbledore "died"...It just didn't fit. So I hope you (we) are right because i'd really like to see him back for book 7!

I think snape had to do what he did to keep from blowing his cover with the death eaters (being a spy for the order) I also think it was a way of snape keeping his vow to malfoys mom to protect draco ...plus there was the argument dumbledore and snape were having when snape said he wouldnt do it (i think the it being killing dumbledore)

Yea but, remember Harry found out that Snape had told Voldemort to kill James and Lily. What about that?

Here's proof that Snape is a good-guy: In book six after he faked Dumbledores death, Harry tried to chace him down as he wisked away Draco. (by the way draco is in deep du du for not kiling Dumbledore, because he didnt carry out Voldemorts command. Snape was probably wisking him away to hide him. And think about it Snape is probably in touble too for killing Dumbledore instead of draco--thats why the other death eaters hesitated to kill Dumbledore.)
Anyway, during this chace, harry tried curse after curse after curse on Snape and Snape easily blocked each one. Then on page 603, in the hard cover, Snape said
"Blocked again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!" Supose just for I, (we) Corey and Tim, are wrong about Snape faking Dumbledores death--Why would he bother giving Harry one last lecture on casting silent spells.

I'll tell you why--(Tim and Corey, you probably already know.)

Because Snape did NOT kill Dumbeldore and he was still being a teacher for Harry, hinting to Harry to practice casting silent spells because, I'm sure, Voldemort can block spells just as easy.

to Grant P: Snape didnt tell Voldemort to kill Lily and James--Snape only told Voldemort that he over heard Treelwany tell Dumbledore about the prophecy. Voldemort elected on his own to kill the potters and Snape has regretted it eversince.

WOW! Ok I am definately going back and re-reading book 6. I admit I thought there was a possibility that Dumbledore was not dead and that Snape only pretended to kill him, but I was never really sure about Snape. But after reading everything that Jimmy B. has said I have to agree. It does make alot of sense and you are correct Dumbledore would not keep telling Harry to trust Snape if he were not sure of him! But I am still wondering about book 7 and who she is going to kill off and how she is going to end the books. Will she kill off Harry so that no other writer can come back and try to continue the story. Hopefully she will change her mind down the road and pick up Harry again as an adult but I think I would like to see him as the "Defense against the Dark Arts" teacher at Hogwarts

Sue T: I too, think that Snape might die. I think you might be right on how. But I also think if he dies it might be because Voldemort will be angry with him for not really killing Dumbledore.

I also think that he might live and he and Harry Will make amends. However that theory is kinda weak--after all Snape is INDIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of Harry's Parents.

Debbie S: Rowling just might kill off Harry like she's been teasing in her interviews.
the title of book 7 and Dumbledores injury to his Hand in book 6 are the clues. I have to go now but I will elaborate later today on it.

I fear that Harry's death is something we will all have to live through. I hope noone takes it too personally.

Jimmy B: I know she has been teasing us with it, but I am hoping she does not kill him off! I would like her to let him survive all that life has thrown at him. Think about the conversation that he and D had at the end of book 5, about how he has lost everyone in his life that he loves. He lost his parents, he finally finds Sirius and he loses him too and then in book 6 he loses D. I would like to think that good will triumph again (cheesy I know LOL). I don't think he could ever really forgive Snape for the role he played in getting his parents killed, but if D was still alive it would go a long way to making it easier for him to deal with having him around and developing some kind of relationship with him. But we do know that eight V or Harry must die it is in the prophecy so we will just have to wait and see which way Rowling twist this last book.

First of all this is Dumbledore not Gandalf. He never died, and even if he did, he can't come back stronger. I need more than a sleeping painting of him!!!

And as for the films and the "Dumbledore / dead actor theory": Rowlings wrote these books as an author, I seriously doubt she has even considered this fact as part of her saga. There is no guarantee that any of the actors would live all the way through or even commit to the all 7 films, so an author does not care about this when they set out to write a series. Unlike JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis, JK Rowling has lived to see her books being translated into film, even as she is still writing them, but I seriously doubt she is guided by the film aspect, as she creates her lush story.

The films will never come close to her books; that being said, the books are all that should be discussed. This is not a "Literature into Film" discussion. This is a story-line and plot discussion regarding Snape as Friend or Foe in book 7. The films have not realized the importance of certain characters that have now come into bigger play here (e.g. house elves, thestrals to name only 2). So leave the films out of it. The last film did not do Fleur Delacour justice either. The directors could not predict what needed to be emphasized in all the films they created, as they had no idea where the story was going. They only had access to the most recent book, which is still book 6, to date. You also have more than one director making these movies.

Read Sunzi: Art of War. Dumbledore and Snape have created an environment to give a false sense of security to Voldemort, which also leaves room for Dumbledore to work from "behind the scenes" or a Cloaked Mole, this also creates Snape as a double agent. I also feel Harry Potter has been the scape goat for Neville Longbottom. I feel Longbottom is the true force that Voldemort has to reckon with, the underdog. Harry Potter has been a Lightening Rod (pun unavoidable: Lightening Bolt Scar) to take the heat off the true wizard to be feared by Voldemort: Longbottom. A true enemy, whose is wise, should never reveal themselves. And those who know the truth are doing their best to keep it under wraps. (Longbottom is their not-so-secret-weapon). Harry Potter is a distraction, a celebrity in the wizarding world. He may have to die, to stay a hero. Our hearts are all wrapped up in him. He may become a sacrifice for the greater good. He may become a ghost to stay at Hogwarts to keep his essence "alive". Who knows? But do know this...

Trust Snape!

All this being said, I do hope I am wrong, as I really wish to be surprised. I am looking forward to the next book (more than the next film).

Sorry to disappoint all those who believe that Dumbledore is still alive... but Jo finalized that he is dead.

http://mugglenet.com/app/news/show/248

"- Don't expect Dumbledore to pull a Gandalf.
- Dumbledore IS really dead. "Everyone needs to move through the five stages of grief" and get past his death. She also apologizes to DumbledoreIsNotDead.com for ruining the purpose of their site."

Can't wait for the last book though! If anyone really doesn't know of it already, Mugglenet.com has some really well written editorials of different thoughts and theories for Deathly Hallows, including ones of if Snape is a Friend or Foe. =) Really quite interesting, and a very reliable site.

Shana M: You could be right and maybe Longbottom is the true force that V has to worry about, but I do not think so (again because of the prophecy stating that he person would be marked) But I do think that Neville is going to play a bigger part that we think in the long run.

I do look forward to the movies (no they are not as good as the books, but I have truly enjoyed each one and thought they were well made and tried to stay as true as they could to the books), I think they help bring the characters to life with all of their quirks and foibles. No movie has ever been able to completely put a book on film so hopefully people are not expecting that when they go to see it.

But with all that said I still feel that Harry is the one that is going to be the most threat to V.

tiffany w: I am an avid reader and follow many writers and I know enough to know that an auther will say anything in an interview in order to keep their readers from second guessing them. dont pay any attention to what she says in her interviews--her job right now is to make us want to buy book 7. If she were to admit right now that Dumbledore is not dead than she risks loosing book sales from her less loyal fans.
Besides I heard a slip in one of her interviews that lead me even more to conlude that Dumbledore was not dead, well not completely dead, anyway. That may have been a stratigic slip in order to keep us guessing.
So, better to pay attention to what is written in the books and not at what Rowling says in interviews.

Debbie S: I'm sorry I skipped over the Killing off Harry theory, but I'v gotta go again, I'v got so many things to do today. Be back in a few hours

Boys and girls "order of the Phoneix" remeber? Phoneix are reborn from the ashes. What happenned to Dumbldore's body? What did Harry think he saw coming from the flames. What was Dumbledore forcing Snape to do. Enough said.

It seems to me that in every book so far Rowling has done 2 things. First, through tainting the reader with Harry's viewpoint she has attempted to carefully manipulate the reader into thinking that Snape is up to no good. In every book prior to "Prince", Harry is always amazed to find out that Snape, while not a very nice or likable person, hasn't been collaborating with V.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. 5 times? What should I be thinking about this 6th time?

The other think she likes to do in her stories is take a piece of magic introduces elsewhere in the story and put a twist on it and use it somewhere else. The Imperius Curse ... (maybe now a staple, but a definite plot twist when we found out Ginny was under it). The Tri-wizard cup being a port key. The false Mad-Eye and the polyjuice potion. The reporter being an animagus, and being an insect sneaking into Hogwarts. There are other examples...Bits of magic dredged up from other places to help facilitate a plot twist or solve a riddle.

So what is it this time...The Horscrux is the obvious thing. Maybe it's a little too obvious.

One person up the chain a little said that Dumbledore wouldn't stoop to something that evil...Magic that dark, something along those lines.

I think you have to read what it is said about the Horscrux very carefully. I think what is said is that V was dehumanized/made more evil as he used Horscrux to rip his soul into several pieces. For one thing it probably took a murder to be able to do it.

Well if you think about it, if Dumbledore isn't really ripping his soul apart. There's just the one piece, transferred to the Horscrux. No tearing asunder, no dehumanization, a "consentual" killing, that's not really resulting in a death, however providing sufficient catalyst to perform the Horscrux spell. Maybe not pleasant, but not evil.

Another clue I haven't seen mentioned yet...Snape is really offended when Harry calls him a coward...As if he feels he's the one with the more dangerous mission...

Lastly, I'm not buying Snape's telling to V of the prophecy of somehow being that "thing" that positively convinced D that Snape was worth trusting. Seems weak to me. Look for something new to be revealed in that area that is much more personal to Snape, I would think.

Trust Snape, and don't let JK pull the wool over your eyes for 6.9 books in a row!!

j c: Great insights. We seem to have the same opinions on Rowling's writing style.
but I dont think that a Horcrux plays a role in Dumbledore and Snapes scheme, though it might be a possibility. I'm gonna commit to my theory about the sixth years learning how to cast silent spells and Snape taking it to a higher level by saying avada kedavra and thinking something else like a paralyzing spell. This might very well be what Snape was fretting about--he wasnt sure if he could pull it off. when it seemed that Dumbledore was pleading with Snape, remeber, he never said DONT KILL ME, he only said exactly "Severus...please..." Dumbledore might have been pleading for Snape to go for it.

I do agree with you about Snape and the Prophecy. There's something more there. I have several theories. Each is more unlikely than the next. oops! I wasn't trying to sound like Dumbledore there.
Anyway--We might come to learn that Snape was not trying to warn Voldemort about the prophecy but was, for some reason, informing Voldemort that he was inevitably doomed, and not necessarilyry trying to help him with the information.
What are your thoughts on that j c ?

It seems to me that if snape was truely evil, j.k Rolling would make it realy obvious in some spectacular, undesputable atrosity, like killing sevral students or something. You are thinking Dumbledor now- right? Think about it, it was such an odd scene, why the oddities? Rowling is very descriptive anything obsqure, is that way for a reason. There is somehting else there.

Would Dumbledor realy beg for himself- he said in the lake by the horcrux that he was unafraid of death. Maybe he was trying to save Snape (unforgivable curse) maybe not- I realy havn't the faintest idea- but thats exactly my point. If it was meant to proove snape was evil, we wouldn't be descusing this right now, we would know.

When Snape and the others where leaving, he protected order members and harry, by saying there job was done, (or something much like that)- why paralyze when you can kill? so why didn't snape?

Not a coward? It would take a lot of courage to kill Dumbledore, if indeed Snape is still good- I mean could you if Dumbly asked you, for the good of all (and because he was dieing anyway)? Plus hes the person whos been keeping Snape safe- saved him when Voldy 1st fell from power you know.

As for time turners and horcruxes- Dumbledore warned against both. Horcruxes especialy which are evil!!! Sluggworth even recognized thier evil (and when only talking about one split j c) he seemed to think that when you are done you are done (think of the philosophers stone/sorcerers stone- Dumble. didn't use it either). I think all that is far to complicated- though he may appear for some guidence in some form (maybe like Yogesh U.'s coment)

Dumbledor is dead ! sorry jimmy but you are partially right Snape didn't kill him he was already dying from the elixir he drank in the c avern when he was searching for the Horcrux, he knew this thats why he said please when he was on top of the tower. There are many reasons why Dumbledor died the first was he was the only person who heard the complete propercy (whoops) and he knew that he had to die for Harry to win, second if you remember in book for Harry dueled with Beatrix and he used a forbidden curse she was barely effected and told him that those curses only worked if you really mean them so thats why Dumbledor died the way he did he did it to save Malfoy from fully crossing over to Evil, and the third reason is that Dumbledor knew that in dying he could be of more use to Harry as a ghost in dealing with Voldemorts undead contigent. Remember what Dumbledor said to Harry over and over Love was the one power that could defeat true evil and Voldemort who has no soul is true evil, so in the end I predict that Snape will be the one to in fact destroy Voldemort saving Harry and proving himself a friend.

Dumbledore isn't going to come back. J.K Rowling said so herself. So sorry to brust your bubble there but he isn't coming back!!!! I am sad too that he is gone but like Tiffany W. said , ''http://mugglenet.com/app/news/show/248

"- Don't expect Dumbledore to pull a Gandalf.
- Dumbledore IS really dead. "Everyone needs to move through the five stages of grief" and get past his death. She also apologizes to DumbledoreIsNotDead.com for ruining the purpose of their site."' He isn't coming back face it!!!!!!

Anyways I think Snape is in fact friend. There is the theory I agree with:
Harry Has it Wrong!
by The Dungeon Queen
August 21, 2005


Spoiler Warning: This editorial is laden with major plot details from book six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - read at your own risk!

As I finished my second reading of "Half Blood Prince," I badly needed a tangible, logical explanation for Severus Snape's actions. Some fellow Harry Potter fans are convinced Snape is still loyal to Voldemort and others write convincing cases that Snape is acting according to Dumbledore's instructions. In spite of its magical setting, it appears to me that all of the characters in the Harry Potter universe act reasonably and rationally based on their life experiences. What, then, can possibly motivate Severus Snape to act as he does in books one through six and what importance will this have in the final book of the series?

Harry believes he knows why Snape betrayed his parents to Voldemort and joined Dumbledore in his fight against the Dark Lord. In understanding Snape, however, Harry has it wrong - at least partially wrong. After Dumbledore's death, Remus Lupin, Professor McGonnagall, Harry, Ron, Hermione, and others are in the hospital wing discussing why Dumbledore was so certain of Snape's loyalty. Harry is convinced he knows the reason and shares the following with his friends:
"'I know," said Harry, and they all turned to look at him. 'Snape passed Voldemort the information that made Voldemort hunt down my mum and dad. Then Snape told Dumbledore that he hadn't realized what he was doing, he was really sorry he' done it, sorry that they were all dead.'...'And he didn't think my mother was worth a damn either.' said Harry, 'because she was Muggle-born...'Mudblood,' he called her...'" p. 616 (American edition)

I am convinced Harry has Snape's story only partially correct. Snape did tell Voldemort about the prophecy, but Harry is wrong about Snape's feelings for Lily. I think Snape cared a lot more about Lily than Harry realizes. Dumbledore acknowledges how much Snape regretted his decision to tell Voldemort about the prophecy. "I believe it to be the greatest regret of his life and the reason he returned-" p. 549. However, Harry interrupts Dumbledore before he had finished his sentence. Harry again questions Dumbledore:
"How can you be sure Snape is on our side?"

Dumbledore did not speak for a moment; he looked as though he was trying to make up his mind about something. At last he said, "I am sure. I trust Severus Snape completely." p. 549.

It appears Dumbledore was thinking about telling Harry something more about Severus and his reasons for leaving Voldemort, but chose not to. Perhaps, Dumbledore had given Severus his word that he would never reveal Snape's reasons for leaving Voldemort.

I think Severus loved Lily. He clearly hated James. Although he knew them both, it would not explain his distress and anguish in learning Voldemort's plan to hunt them down and kill them. Loving Lily, however, would certainly provide more a credible explanation for his decision to leave the Dark Lord. Everyone listening to Harry's explanation "seemed to be lost in horrified shock, trying to digest the monstrous truth of what happened." p, 617. They are so shocked by Dumbledore's death that nobody questions Harry's assertions about Snape's feelings for Lily. As readers, JKR is manipulating her readers to accept Harry's explanation as valid and accurate.

In the chapter "Flight of the Prince", as Harry battles Snape, Snape makes a very interesting comment to Harry. Harry attempts to use the Sectumsempra spell against Snape, and Snape responds angrily, "You dare use my own spells against me, Potter? It was I who invented them - I, the Half-Blood Prince! And you'd turn my inventions on me, like your filthy father, would you? I don't think so...no!" p. 604. From Harry's potion book, we know Snape invented the Levicorpus spell, the Sectumsempra spell and many others. We also know James Potter used the Levicorpus spell to publicly humiliate Snape in front of Sirus, Lupin, Lily and a number of other Hogwart's students. When Lily attempted to help Snape, he called her a filthy little mudblood. Perhaps this is the event that turned Lily away from Snape permanently. It was some time after this that she started dating James. Snape who was only a half-blood, hated James Potter the pure blood - who ultimately married Lily, had the popularity and respect from the other students, and who took recognition for the spells Snape invented. In spite of it all, Snape continued to love Lily. It is his love that that caused his remorse and agony when he learned of Voldemort's intent to kill the Potters. Snape retained enough compassion and humanity that he had no stomach for killing and torturing people, especially people who were half-bloods such as himself or muggle-borns like Lily. Dumbledore continually reminds us of the power of love and its ability to overcome adversity and evil. Love for Lily is what kept Snape from surrendering himself to Voldemort.

I find it incredibly interesting in crafting and writing the consecutive chapters, "The Cave" and "The Lightning-Struck Tower," that JKR cleverly structures the earlier chapter to foreshadow the later chapter. Both Harry and Snape act in ways that can be interpreted as following Dumbledore's orders, and identical verbiage is used to describe both Harry and Snape's emotions as they are commanded to do the unthinkable. The following describes Harry when he forces Dumbledore to drink the potion: "Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing, Harry forced the goblet back toward Dumbledore's mouth and tipped it." p. 571. Snape is described as follows right before he kills Dumbledore: "Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face." p. 595. I must admit I believe Snape was acting according to Dumbledore's instructions and is no longer loyal to Voldemort. Snape hates Harry, he hates James, but he always loved Lily and continues to be loyal to Dumbledore in spite of killing him.

In the final book of the Harry Potter series, the remaining portion of Snape's story will unfold. In book six, Harry learned more from the Half-Blood Prince through his potions book than he learned from any other teacher. In Snape's first DADA lesson, Snape attempts to teach Harry and his fellow students how to execute spells without a wand. Even when Snape and Harry are fleeing Hogwart's, Snape continues taunt Harry telling Harry what he has to learn to succeed against Snape and the Death Eaters. "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter." p. 603.

It will require immense talent and skill to break the magic protecting each of the remaining Horcruxes. Dumbledore, who was the greatest wizard of his time, lost his hand obtaining one Horcrux and was almost killed in his effort to obtain the other. Dumbledore might well have died had Draco and the Death Eaters not drawn him to the Astrology tower. One of the Death Eater even comments on Dumbledore's pale and weak condition. "He's not long for this world anyway, if you ask me!" said the lopsided man..." p. 594. Harry must learn a great deal before he will be powerful enough to crack the magic and destroy the remaining four Horcruxes and defeat Voldemort. Snape is the one person remaining who understands Voldemort's mind and has the knowledge and expertise to help Harry. Harry will have to learn to trust Snape and become his student again before he will have the skills to defeat Voldemort. Snape will have to set aside his hatred of James to help and teach Harry to vanquish the Dark Lord. In spite of their differences, love drives and motivates them both.

eddy g: i have to disagree with just about every thing that you wrote, exept for one thing--my first thought when Dumbledore pleaded with Snape was that he was dieing and wanted snape to help him, after all snape is the best there is at potions

As for the rest of your theories--they are a little to close to Star wars when O B Wan told Vader that, 'If you kill me, I will become more powerful.'
Dumbledore has never said anything to that affect.
dont get your stories mixed up dude--the only thing the two have in common is that John williams wrote the movie scores and that ended after the 3rd HP movie and remember we are talking about the books here.

Jimmy b. GET OVER IT. I am very sad too, but he is gone. What do you mean that my theory is too close to Star Wars because it isn't. It is no where close.

Anna B: you had to read book 6 twice and your still getting it wrong; however, I think you might have something with that Snape and Lily theory.
Read book 6 a third time.

Anna B: I was addressing Eddy G. about the Star wars thing--maybe you should do a second reading on that too.

wait a minute--is Eddy G. and Anna B. the same person?

Whats kind of a game are you playng here.

Jimmy B. I am sorry about the Star Wars thing. Oh and I have read all the books 4 times. J.K Rowling said that Dumbledore and if she that he is dead then he is. I don't know how else to tell you. You will have to see in the 7th book.

Jimmy B. I am just one person. I don't know who Eddy G. is. I like your stubborness. If you have AIM or AOL you should im me sometime at mollybarr29 and we can talk Harry Potter.

Jimmy B. it is fine. I like to debate with someone about Harry Potter. Again im me if you can, or if you have myspace you can talk to me there. http://www.myspace.com/padfoot09 That is my site. Oh by the way I am getting made fun of by my friend I am iming.

Well do you have anyway to talk to me besides this thing?
If so I have an e-mail adress that mollybarr29@aol.com I would like to talk to you more about Harry Potter because I can't find anyone in my town to talk to about it.

jimmy b: Sorry about any Star Wars similarties but as I said in my first sentance Dumbledor is dead ! I was referring to Hogwarts and their ghostly Headmasters and Headless Nicks explanation to harry about how some who die remain behind as spirits because they have things unfinished in their lives and who has more left unfinished than dumbledor, and whats your take on the inferiti? and the warwe from the lake harry gave dumbledor to drink? I doubt if was Kentwood and i'm sure it will have a tie in somewhere in book 7.Also did you forget the oath Snape swore to Narcissa about Draco could there have been another oath sworn this one with Dumbledor to prove his loyalty after the Potters were killed to always help harry when asked to?Anyway it seems like a war brewing, Voldemort has his Death Eaters,dementors,Inferiti,werewolves and possibly some Giants.On Harry's side are the DA,Hagrid,Gwarp,Hogwarts Professors,Order of the Phoenix,and possibly some Hogwarts Sirits and lets not forget the House Elves.With the Wild card being the second most powerful wizard living Snape.Oh and as far as Star Wars that was my sisters thing I was a Trekkie.

Eddy G: as for dumbledore being dead I have to disagree. one major fact that I have come to understand is that there are three types of H P Fans: those that believe Dumbledore is not dead; those who believe he's dead, and those who want him dead.
Another major fact: Those who believe he is not dead have more intelligent and insightful analogies than the latter two groups.

I HATE THAT SNAPE. HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A FOE.

you've precisely proven my last point, MAYUR s; in your case with those who want Snape to be bad.

Where's your analogy, your proof, other than your dogmatic point of view.
Come on, MAYUR s--you can do better than that, 'I HATE THAT SNAPE,' in capital letters; that makes it all the more impressive--not.

Snape is a Friend. I don't have the book in front of me, but I also think that Dumbledore is dead. In order to provide some support to my theories and to satisfy Jimmy b's thirst for searching something to debate I provide the following:

Snape is a friend I believe, but he stands loyal to those that are loyal to him. Dumbledore believes in him and trusted him through the end. I believe that the argument that they had was about Snape having to kill Dumbledore. I believe Snape did not want to, but Dumbledore wanted him to go through with the unbreakable vow in order to continue making Voldemort believe that he is on his side. He does hate HP because of his past dealings with his father, especially since he looks so much like him, but he wants to be loyal to Dumbledore, so he is carrying out Dumbledore's wishes to keep him alive. Maybe Snape also wants to believe that Dumbledore is right about Harry being the only one that can defeat Voldemort. So Snape's actions of hate, are because of his past, but he is on the good side because he is still helping Harry. (As many of you have pointed out.)

Now, as far as Dumbledore being dead. The only proof is the painting on the wall. I don't believe that JK would have written that if Dumbledore was still alive. The other paintings are of past dead Headmasters or Headmistresses. So now, it is his turn to be up there. Also, the fact that the new Headmistress was able to go into the office and take her position as Headmistress, would only be because Dumbledore is dead. There was a book when that frog-like lady tried to become headmistress and take that office and it wouldn't let her. Why? because Dumbledore was alive at the time so he was rightfully the Headmaster no matter what the Ministry of Magic declared. Now, he is dead, so the new Headmistress was able to take office.

I believe that Dumbledore is dead. I never wanted him to be. It was such a shock. I to wanted to believe that he would come back and help Harry, but I am past that stage. I still believe that he will be of great help as the portrait. I remember reading that Dumbledore would be talking to these right before seeing Harry. Almost like they were providing insight for him in the times he needed advice or different views. I don't know if this would be more for Minerva, since the portraits seem to be more inclined to be faithful to the one in the Headmasters position, but someway, Dumbledore will talk to Harry.

I wanted to also say that I too would like to see Harry as the professor of Defense Against the Dark Arts. He was such a good instructor for the DA, that it would be a shame not to see this happen. Then the curse could be lifted.

Jimmy B. I think you have it wrong again. The group that believe that Dumbledore is not dead are just in denial. The group that believe that he is dead are the ones who know how to get over the death of him. Besides think about it. Everytime Dumbledore talked about death he said that it is the next great adventure. He is dead. Get over it. Oh and i haven't got an e-mail from you yet.

i think sanpe is a foe & onl did those nice things for/to harry jdut 2 get harry to gain his trust & not think of him as a death eater.......oh & yea i beleive dumbledor is dead also......

Thank you J J.

DD could be dead, but there is evidence against it, I think he's probably dead like 70% 30%. But Snape being good, yes he most def is. Why would Dumbledore beg for life. He knows that at this point in the game Snape is more important then him and that his life is of little importance any more, so he saves snape and sacrafices himself. Theres way more evidence but my fingers don't wanna type no more:)

Okay, first off, Dumbledore is dead. D-E-A-D. He isn't coming back, and neither is Sirius. JKR said so herself numerous times.....said it was necessary to the plot and to Harry's character. With Sirius and Dumbledore there to protect him, he didn't have enough drive to do what he had to do to destroy Voldemort, and now that Dumbledore and Sirius are both dead and gone, Harry is now old enough and has come to the understanding that he HAS to destroy Voldemort - there is no question about it.

As far as Snape is concerned, JKR has always made Snape out to be one of those characters that keep us guessing. Snape is a very complex character in and of himself, and there are already tons of essays on the internet that discuss this very thing. However, it is my personal belief that Snape is evil. Snape came from a chaotic background, and probably felt very inadequate for having a Muggle for a father (due to the fact that he is a Slytherin and is surrounded by Purebloods) and so he called himself the "Half-Blood Prince". Voldemort's power and "understanding" would have appealed to a young Snape, and as we all know, he managed to escape Azkaban, yadda yadda yadda......

Anyway, just because Dumbledore gave him a job doesn't mean that he will follow Dumbledore to the extent that Harry will. When it all comes down to it, Snape killed Dumbledore even when Dumbledore was begging for his life. This was the man who had managed to keep Snape out of Azkaban, secured a job for him, let him into the Order, and most importantly, trusted him. Snape is a Death Eater.....and as such, he is a bad guy. End of story.

And it does show something about snape being good when everyone who thinks hes good says, i think snapes good, heres why, ex. ex. ex., but the people who ussually say snape is bad says, I HATE SNAPE, HE SUXXORS, HE IS IN NO WAY POSSIBLE GOOD, and i just think that makes a better point he's good, back up your reasons with proofs and facts.

Tiffany do you think Dumbledore begged for life then. Because it goes hand in hand that if Snape is bad, Dumbledore was begging for his life, Which to me seems impossible.

He wasn't begging for his life he was beggin for Snape to go through with it.

exactly why snape is good.

snape is bad!!!!!! look at everything snape had done in the past and how snape left harry's mind open for Lord V. but supposabley he never knew Lord V. was around. He actually forced H's mind open more, after what happened to Mr. W and how snape was always aginst H. know matter what H did, He always made himself more able to blame and never less.

Then there is the fact that there is know way D is alive anymore. He died. Have you ever thought that if he was alive the same thing would happen to him as did Lord V. and it never happened! Maybe you should do you research on what happened.

I know it is kinda long but it is from the mugglenet.com maybe some of you should read it.


Other than Harry, Jo would most want to bring Hagrid into the real world.
- There's more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and we'll find out what's unique about her in Book 7.
- Don't expect Dumbledore to pull a Gandalf.
- Dumbledore IS really dead. "Everyone needs to move through the five stages of grief" and get past his death. She also apologizes to DumbledoreIsNotDead.com for ruining the purpose of their site.
- Jo's future after Potter includes taking a long break from writing. She also plans to release a young children's book (currently half-written) that is shorter than any Potter novel.
- The librarians in the Potter novels have to be evil, otherwise the students would have nice librarians to help them find all the information they need. "Hermione wouldn't have to do any work!"
- Author Salman Rushdie, along with his son, came to ask, after a detailed theory, if Snape is good or bad. Jo replied that "your opinion was correct." Rushdie's opinion, unfortunately, was hard to follow.
- After being asked if there was one question fans should have asked by now but haven't, Jo couldn't reference any question in particular.
- While taking a shower before the reading today, Jo said that she had come up with a different title for Book 7 that would work better than her current title. No word on which title will be used, though.
- Stephen King said he was scared of Death Eaters, to which Jo replied, "I scared Stephen King."
- Moderator Soledad O'Brien asked the three authors who from their books they'd invite to dinner. Stephen immediately said he'd invite Harry and Hermione.
- While Jo is listing the characters who she'd invite to dinner, she names the trio but then pauses. The crowd begins to shout out other characters, but Jo responds, "I'm the only one who knows who lives through the series," accidentally implying that she could only list characters who make it through the final book. Her final two choices (after realizing what she said) were Dumbledore and Hagrid.

Whoopi Goldberg once again kicked off the night. Actor Tim Robbins introduced Stephen King, Stanley Tucci (starring in Devil Wears Prada) introduced John Irving, and Kathy Bates introduced Jo. All three of the writers read the same passages that they read last night.

I have not decided whether Snape is good or bad; I don't think even Snape knows sometimes; that it kinda varies on his mood and what's going on; very interested in what jimmy b. thinks; usually insightful. Overall, he does things that benefit Harry though he hated his dad. He could have killed Harry sooo many times...

I'm missing why Dumbledore has to be alive for snape to be good, I don't think snape wanted to kill him(or send him to live with Elvis, who I'm sure you all still think is alive as well)- but he did.
Give me more proof of his evilness please- and explain why he didn't do more damage on his way out of Hogwarts- there was a lot of stunning and not much killing as I recall. Odd isn't it?

I agree that DD is dead,.... probably i still have a little in me that thinks he isn't, If Jk rowling would have not answered whether DD was dead or not every1 would assume he is alive so she had to say that, and you cannot deny snape is good. I don't buy when he said in the sixth book that he couldn't allow Harry to die infront of him or DD wouldn't trust him anymore. Mgonagal didn't do anything, niether did the other teachers, did Dumbledore do anything about that? No. He cares about Harry, thats why he tried to countercurse the curse on Harrys broom in the first year. If harry would have died he just could have said he dozed off and was'nt paying attention lol.

Evilyn he doesnt. My opinion is Snape is good and DD is dead. That is what i think is the number 1 chance in my mind. I just think that the Avada Kedarva that Snape did looked a little curious. But I tend to think it was on DD's orders that Snape killed DD. I would bet a lot of money on snape being good

Tim D. I agree with you 100%. For all you people who used the way Snape treated Harry at school to show he is a foe. Remember this Harry looked just like his father excetp for his eyes. Snape treated Harry the way he did because he hated Harry's dad. Do you realize he had all those years to kill Harry and he didnt. That is because he was and is still loyal to Dumbledore. Snape only killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders. Doesn't anyone remember when they were fighting? Snape was telling Dumbledore that he didn't want to kill him, butdumbledore told him he must. The rest of my theory is up above.

yes one of the biggest problems in the DD ain't dead theory is it doesnt make sense with that scene where they argue. Otherwise i would rank DD not being dead a little higher. I still think it is more likekly that DD is alive then snape being evil

I think snape talk is almost over talked about, same with R.A.B, If it ain't regulus, It's gonna be some no name that hasn't been introduced yet. I think it's simple, Snape is good, let's move onto a different disscussion, i like the to talk about other theories once in a while. Anyone else bored of the same discussion?

so what is it you want to talk about?

I don't know. I put up a section about why wormtail is in Gryffindor i think that could be big in the 7th book. I think he could so some courage and help harry in some way.

dought it he was always a traitor or well he was atraitor to harry's parents and to his parents friends

lol well i was just putting it out there. All my ideas of the book i have argued. I wanted to see if anyone had new theories to argue about. We have gotten to the point on Snape where your not gonna say anything new unless your just saying crap with no evidence. I want to argue some new stuff. Anyone?

who do you think will die in the next book?

That is a good 1 give me a sec

Well the two popular ideas that Harry or Snape are gonna die. I doubt Harry will. I think Snape might. VM will. Wormtail if my theory is correct. bellatrix, Draco maybe, I think maybe ginny, i don't know just throwing some out there

well only two people are supposed to die in the next book

VM has to and i guess snape

Although i really don't trust JK in her interviews.

i understand why you wouldn't trust her. who do you think willhook up in this book

I don't know. I think the only one i could guess is heromione and Ron. Do you think Harry will go back to Hogwarts. I think maybe like a photo of Dumbledore or someone else like lupin may tell Harry he needs to learn more things. If not where do you think he will go, live, who will come with him on his journey

ill be back later got other stuff to do

um it will he ron and hermione then i think ginny will come with but they won't know she is there

I think neville has a larger part to play in this than everyone thinks. And maybe Luna, too. J.K. mentioned her quite a bit during the previous books. Too often, I think, for an unimportant character. And, plus, she was with them in the fifth bk. and so was neville

o so u think ginny will tag along. intresting. I think Harry needs one more person to help him with advanced spells. VM is like equal strength with DD and DD took out the Minister of Magic, Umbridge, an auror, percy weasley, and well kingsley doesnt count as he was on DD's side. I think harry will need a lil more then the spells he got right now to beat VM

If VM dies (and I think he will) who do you think will kill him? I don't know about you, but I think that Harry is too inexperienced a wizard to kill him.

harry will have to finish him he will grow and he will have help but at the moment yes VM would eat harry alive

Harry will have to be imensly stronger to defeat VM on his own. Much stronger then the best of aurors. Hes gonna need some help

This is a new topic: I think that there is one horcrux in each of the books so far.
1) the sorceror's/philosopher's stone
2) the diary
3) i don't know. what do you think?
4) ???
5) the prophecy
6) the horcrux they were after, but didn't get? (i'm unsure)

i think he is a complete friend,
it said in the chapter "flight of the prince"
he sheiked out in pain like Fangs when harry called him a coward,
he was upset about what he had done, he didn't want to kill
dumbledore but it was a split second decision he had to make for
the betterment of all the wizards of the world. Dumbledore probably talked to
him about it too, he probably told him that if their came a moment where he maybe revealed as a real member of the order then he couldn't blow his cover.
Dumbledore knew the importance of his triple agent in voldemort's crew,
they probably never talked about this in particular, but it's one man's life(dumbledore) verses the lives of everyone in the world.

i doubt it. Dumbledore knows his stuff and the only one he said of thoose was the diary. Infact no way is the stone a horcrux VM never touched it. Good guess but no

Yes snape is a friend. Dumbledore told Snape to kill him.

I like the creativity mannsi but its not possible

i have to say that i still think snape is good but i don't think we can use that fact that he didn't kill harry while they were at school because if he was (hypothetically) really evil and working for real for voldemort and had killed harry voldemort would have been FURIOUS he wants harry to himself, symetry i guess, harry stripped him of everything all by himself and know he wants to do that to harry.
Voldemort even tells his DEs in the grave yard in the 4th book that he wanted harry for himself and for them not to touch him.

so snape not killing harry has nothing to do with him being goo, there are other reasons

and why not? why isn't it possible? VM could have gotten his hands on the stone before, and not needed it... kept it as a last resort. that could be part of the reason he wanted it back again... I'm sorry if I'm not convinced. I'm stubborn.

plenty of others. Each one prooving him good. What was dumbledore begging for. Obvioulsy death to save snapes life. DD was injured and useless. Snape was more important at this time in the game. DD knew of the UV and he knew if snape didnt kill him snape would die. So DD begged for Snape to kill him

i agree with tim, he would have always put someone else's life before his own, hell he was trying to figure out a way to smuggle draco's mom out of her home ans draco was threatening to kill him!

maansi, maybe it's possible but it's not gonna happen. Why would VM have the Sorcerors stone at one time, and he made it into a horcrux and politely gave it back to Flammel. It makes no sense. There would have to be a background story about VM stealing the stone making it into a horcrux then somehow losing it and Flammel getting it back and VM trying to get it back. Try to get a theory with a little more proof that it may just happen.

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Snape is definately a friend. If you go back to the past books, you will see that it is true.

In book 4, there is the conversation that Dumbledor has with Snape. "Severus. you know what I must ask you to do. If you are ready... if you are prepared..."
"I am" said snape. he looked slightly paler than usual,..." ... "then good luck," said Dumbledor with a trace of apprehension on his face...
If you want to check, it is on page 713 in the Softcover book.( I'm not sure if there's a difference in pages between the hard and softcover books)
I believe that Dumbledor was telling Snape to go back to Lord Voldemort and beg for forgiveness. Since Snape is so good at Occlumency, Lord Voldemort would have no idea that Snape is really on Dumbledors side.

There is also evidence in book 6 that Snape is a friend. Why else would Dumbledor have put Harry under the spell (before he died) so Harry couldn't move? He didn't want Harry to interfere. It was all planned. Dumbledor says "snape...please" just before Snape kills him. It might not have been what Harry thought. He thought that Dumbledor was pleading, but he might have been asking. It is on page 595 in the hardcover book.

Everything that I saw in the books point to a good Snape.
I would love to hear your opinions on Snape. e-mail me at hpfrekk@yahoo.com