The New Jim Crows Laws

Many anti-immigrant ordinances have been struck down on the grounds of a superseding State law or on anti-discrimination gorunds.

"My question is how can these ordinances be fairly enforced? Will every person, despite skin color or accent, be required to bring out a birth certificate, when apply for an apartment. "

Ummmmm.....Yes.....This will not be a problem if the applicant is a LEGAL US citizen!!

However, it will make things very difficult for the illegal invaders!!

"What would happened, if was overheard speaking Spanish? Would I be fined or perhaps arrested and spend the night in jail?"

Don't be stupid you racist. When someone is at home---during their own personal time, they can speak any language that they want. However, we will no longer accommodate/cater to the language of the illegal invaders.

What does this mean.......No more special forms, tutors, translators, etc---all paid for by LEGAL US citizens and tax payers. Also, very soon, citizenship of parents will be required before children will be able to attend our schools. This should definitely decrease the expense to tax payers in having to provide the children of the illegal invaders with English classes---all at the expense of LEGAL US citizens and tax payers.

"which are primarily aimed at Hispanics and Mexican,"

No, they are aimed at ILLEGALS----of which the majority happen to be Mexican (57%-67%) and those from other Latin American countries (15%)

"It must be noted that this Dallas Suburb is not the only one passing city ordinance aimed at restricting and curtailing the flow of Latinos into areas."

You got that right!!! The MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens have said enough!!! This is our country!!! We speak English!! We are a country of laws---which means that you enter this country LEGALLY---just like everyone else that is standing in line trying to become a citizen through the legal, proper process. If you are here illegally, get out!! US citizens are taking our country back----this will include lifting up the welcome mat of social benefits, healthcare, education, etc. More and more cities/states will soon be passing the same laws. Therefore, the illegals should just pack up and leave rather than be caught and deported---ruining their chances for legal entry forever!!

"So to the citizens of Farmers Branch City I say go ahead and pass your anti-immigrant ordinances. This might slow down, but it will not stop the tide of the Latin influence in our American way of life."

You racist. Nobody has a problem whatsoever with LEGAL immigrants---no matter where they come from. But, we will not sit back and let our country be illegally invaded and taken over.

The majority of LEGAL immigrants---including the majority of Mexican and other Latino/Hispanics---have no problems with our laws. They have no problem following our laws, learning/speaking English, assimmilating/blending into the melting pot---just like all other LEGAL US citizens.

"The ordinance coming up for vote on Monday 22nd, if passed will go before voters on May 12th 2007."

It will easily pass. Look at all of the anti-illegal invader props/laws that passed in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Colorado, etc. Most passed by over 70%!!!!!

These laws that local govt's are passing are basically a form of protest , aimed at the Federal Gov't. Immigration law is the exclusive jusrisdiction of the Federal Gov't and that's exactly how the ACLU (those commie bastards) attack it. Local and State govt's are seriously overwhelmed with this problem and recieve no reimbursement from the Fed's. They pass these ordinances fully knowing they won't pass Supreme Court review, but their pleas have gone unanswered for a decade. I don't blame them one bit.

Peter:

"Many anti-immigrant ordinances have been struck down on the grounds of a superseding State law or on anti-discrimination gorunds."

Don't get too excited!!! Hazleton, PA has hired very good immigration attorneys. They are more than qualified to take on the ACLU or any other illegal invader supporters. If laws are enforced in the proper way-----by requiring "ALL" potential applicants to show proof of citizenship or require a credit check, it cannot be considered racism or discrimination.

Hazleton, PA is not going to give up. They are going to keep fighting until they win---and they are being supported (including financially) by millions of LEGAL US citizens throughout the country. When Hazleton wins, this will pave the way for all other cities/states.

Democrats and the government under Bush, will continue to do the same thing---nothing---in regard to illegal immigration, as they know that it will be political suicide if they side with the illegal invaders. This will be especially true now that Tom Tancredo has decided to run for president. He will make sure that LEGAL US citizens will be aware of all issues regarding the illegal invaders and the negative impact on citizens and the country as a whole. This will make the Dems want to avoid this issue even more (as they know what the MAJORITY wants), and the Republicans want to fight it even more (being that it all starts with Bush), as they will not want to be linked to Bush policies regarding the illegal invaders. They will leave it to the individual cities/states to do what they want---including laws similar to those that Hazleton and Farmer's Branch are passing---and also getting their police trained/certified so that they can "legally" enforce federal immigration laws!!

Therefore, sorry to rain on your illegal parade!!

Eamon:

"They pass these ordinances fully knowing they won't pass Supreme Court review,"

You don't know this, as they have never made it that far. Mayor Lou Barletta (and others such as the congressman from Texas who wants to take away all citizenship rights from anchor children) want these issues to make it to the Supreme Court. They feel that our clearly worded constitution and laws will mean a slam-dunk if these cases make it to the Supreme Court.

Attention Democrats: Mass Immigration Is Harming America's Working Poor

"A report issued in November by the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University finds that millions of American workers are being severely harmed by the unprecedented wave of legal and illegal immigration over the past decade or so. In addition to the immediate economic impact on younger and less skilled Americans, the phenomenon will likely have long-term negative consequences for American society. The report was authored by economists Andrew Sum, Paul Harrington and Ishwar Khatiwada.

According to Harrington, the biggest losers in the phenomenon of unchecked immigration are poorer and less educated Americans and other immigrants. "When you bring in large numbers of illegal immigrants, what you do is break down the labor standards and create environments Americans don't want to work in," he stated. The data that he and his colleagues present in the report back up this contention. Since 2000, the number of native-born men in the U.S. labor force has declined by 1.7 million, even though the number of such men of working age increased during this time period. The decline in employment for native-born men coincided with a period of economic expansion, when their services should have been required and should have provided leverage for wage gains. "

Cont'd through link........

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_jan07nl03

Reformer Corner

Marianne Davies

"As an American of Hispanic roots, whose parents immigrated here legally over 50 years ago, I felt that the push for amnesty by President Bush and many in the Senate was a slap in the face to all law-abiding naturalized citizens who willingly and eagerly complied with our federal immigration laws to earn the privilege of calling this great nation their new "homeland." I could not sit idly by and watch this unfold.

Then along came Colonel Al Rodriguez! When Col. Rodriguez called and asked me to join him in You Don't Speak for Me!, I was thrilled to realize that there were other American Hispanics who stood with the majority of Americans in opposing illegal immigration and any measures that would reward illegal aliens with citizenship. At YDSFM's first press conference in Washington, D.C., where we were joined by several members of Congress, our voices were heard and well-received and covered by the national media. YDSFM seeks to dispel the myth that American Hispanics support amnesty for illegal aliens.

With more than 5,000 members, YDSFM is now in the process of forming local chapters across the country. We seek to work with other immigration reform groups and state, local and federal government officials to provide support and assistance in implementing policies and measures to address illegal immigration locally. Above all, we seek to send the message to the president and the newly elected officials in Congress that a vote for amnesty in any form will be a vote out of office for those who support it. "

Cont'd through link............

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_jan07nl04

Whether or not someone is Democrat or Republican......Tom Tancredo is going to be our thunder in regard to making US citizens aware of the negative impact of the illegal invaders/invasion. More and more LEGAL US citizens will be waking up!!!!

Political Observers Take Tancredo Seriously

"(Jan 18, WASHINGTON, DC) - Important political analysts think that Tom Tancredo's run for the GOP nomination will have a serious impact on the GOP nomination, and that he could potentially win. They also believe the campaign could affect the domestic agenda for the Democratic congress.

Former Bill Clinton advisor and famed political strategist Dick Morris believes "The top four candidates for the Republican nomination can't win...Rudy Giuliani, John McCain . . . Romney with all of the flip-flops on abortion and Newt Gingrich, who I don't think gets into it." Morris listed Tancredo among the canidates he thought could win.

David Yepsen--who is considered an authority on the Iowa caucus-- wrote in the De Moines Register , ""Tancredo could be a serious factor ." Yepsen continued that Tancredo "has the potential to pull the Republican field of candidates to the right, particularly on his signature issue of curbing illegal immigration."

Denver Post columnist Al Knight, thinks that Tancredo will force other canidates to face the problem of illegal immigration:

The fact that Tancredo will be making the political rounds in coming weeks and months will keep the immigration issue very much alive. Other candidates, who might well wish to duck discussions of border security, amnesty and lax enforcement, won't easily be able to dismiss the topic.

Not only will Tancredo impact other Republican candidates, "he could also affect Democratic plans for new immigration legislation."

Cont'd through link........

http://www.teamtancredo.com/news.php

Brenda. It doesn't take a Harvard Law Professor to read the laws and as written and know they won't pass muster. Actually, the ACLU (again, NO GOOD COMMIE BASTARDS) will probably win against all of them based on their jusrisdictional lawsuits.

Brenda, don't get me wrong here. I'm not an advocate for the illegals. I'm actually middle of the road on the whole issue. You're not going too ever see mass roundups or deportations that would make Eichmann proud. Just not going to happen. Some kind of guest worker program (read amnesty) will pass Congress. I'm not particularly happy about it, but I do look at things realisticly. The question is and everyone's energy should be focused on how much those assholes in DC give away. I'd like to see them all pay for their crimes, the felonies. I just can't look the other way and feel compassion for the one's that have committed ID theft, mortgage fraud, etc. The people who seem to justify this also advocate giving away the farm in social services. Like I have said in previous comment's in past articles, accountability lies not just with the US Gov't and US business. The illegals and the Mexican Gov't are willing partners in this and their responsibilty must be addressed also.

Eamon:

We will not have to deport them, as they will leave on their own. If cities/states throughout the country continue to pass anti-illegal invader laws similar to those that were passed in Hazleton, Escondido, Payson, Farmer's Branch, etc.---the illegals will have no choice but to leave on their own.

They will not be able to find a job if employers are fined and/or put in prison for hiring them. They will not be able to find a place to live, if landlords are fined for renting to them. They will not be able to apply for any social benefits, education, non-emergency healthcare--unless they can prove citizenship. There will be nothing here for them---no reason to stay and no reason to keep coming. So, you see, we will not have to deport them. Add to that a law that says perhaps.....any illegal caught in the country after August, 2007 will face an automatic one-year in prison---how many do you think will stay?

Eamon:

"It doesn't take a Harvard Law Professor to read the laws and as written and know they won't pass muster. Actually, the ACLU (again, NO GOOD COMMIE BASTARDS) will probably win against all of them based on their jusrisdictional lawsuits."

What are you talking about?? They are illegal, they have no rights in this country. The ACLU should not be protecting/supporting illegal invader issues.

133 arrested; judge orders deportation

Friday, January 19, 2007
The Grand Rapids Press

"GRAND RAPIDS -- An 18-year-old Latin Kings gang member and a 30-year-old Chinese native ordered out of the country in 1993 were among the 133 people arrested in Grand Rapids in a five-day federal immigration sweep called "Operation Return to Sender." Fugitive teams from the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement, or ICE, division of Homeland Security hit West Michigan last week, looking for immigration status violators and criminal and fugitive aliens, said enforcement spokesman Greg Palmore. Those arrested have had their day in court and were ordered deported by an immigration judge, said Adrian Macias, field office director of the ICE detention and removal office in Detroit. "

http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-34/1169222023292990.xml&coll=6

umm...Don...Civil Rights Act of 1964.

READ IT - it is one of MANY laws preventing discrimination.

Wow....... Are you a citizen of the United States?

Depends what part of the country one lives in if Spanish is the language of the illegal immigrant community.

Time will tell. English is losing ground to Spainish as the most spoken language in the US

There's not a darn thing wrong with creating an ordinance that requires the English language. It's the language of this country and had been since the country was formed. I worked for five years in Mexico and do you think, for one minute, that I "DEMANDED" the Mexican government officials to speak to me in English? Even though many of them COULD speak English, they preferred to speak in Spanish. My only choice was to hire an interpreter, AT MY OWN EXPENSE, so my business could be conducted. I did that out of respect for their national heritage and their "national" language preference. We, in the United States, have a right to demand that business and governmental operations be conducted in English. It's part of our heritage and a right of our claim to sovereignty. We do NOT have an obligation to provide a foreigner, regardless of their national origin, with documents, etc., in their native language. A part of American citizenship is the requirement that all citizens read, speak and write the English language. Mr. Martinez, you just display your racist and bigoted attitude when you complain about an English-only law.

Jackie:

"Civil Rights Act of 1964.
READ IT - it is one of MANY laws preventing discrimination."

Our civil rights laws/protections are for LEGAL US citizens. Again, what part of the words ILLEGAL invaders do you not understand?

Brenda, like I said, I don't agree with it all but I always look at things realisticly. As for the ACLU, I'm writing an article that I'll post by the weekend (hopefully) taking a look a just how far left their ideology is.

"What are you talking about?? They are illegal, they have no rights in this country. The ACLU should not be protecting/supporting illegal invader issues."

If you read the text of PLYLER v. DOE, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), it will answer that.

Don, that is a perfect name for the ACLU. They were founded by a communist. There ideology would make Hugo Chavez proud. As to the funding, they don't recieve any from the Gov't, they'll claim it's all private donations. Fact is they have started to receive funds from the lawsuits they win, all while claiming non profit status.

Eamon:

Well, fortunately, Judicial Watch has been getting involved in many situations/cases regarding the illegal invaders. For example, they are filing suits against cities who have declared themselves as sanctuary cities.

For everything the ACLU tries to do, Judicial Watch tries to find ways to "undo".

http://www.judicialwatch.org

I hope that these cases make it to the Supreme Court----as do many others---as many feel that all of our "illegal" problems will be ended when that happens.

Brenda you mention Tom Tancredo as a shining example of someone who heads the wave of anti- illegal immigration in Washington. It must be noted that a report by the Denver Post stated that Tanceredo hired two illegals to remodel his basement. It is also no surprise that a man who was a member of The Young Americans for Freedom would have anti-immigration views. On September 11, 2006, in Columbia, South Carolina, Tancredo spoke to a gathering of the "Americans Have Had Enough Coalition", which he had helped found. According to reports, the room in which Tancredo spoke had a Confederate battle flag prominently displayed and at the closing of the event, men dressed in full Confederate military regalia present stood up and began to sing "Dixie". If this guy was a member of my party, I too would be proud to praise him as my representative.

Don you call yourself the debate ender. Is this because, when you realize that your words and viewpoint make no sense you resort to the last foot hole of a idiot, the use of profanity. So perhaps the one that needs a %$%$#@ dictionary is you and start by looking up racist moran.

Juan:

"It must be noted that a report by the Denver Post stated that Tanceredo hired two illegals to remodel his basement."

Can you post that article please?????

Juan:

The last time that I checked, South Carolina was part of the United States. Also, the last time that I checked---no matter what side the citizens of the Civil War fought on---they were still LEGAL US citizens.

If you go to Gettysburg around the 4th of July, you will see Civil War reenactments. This includes many men and women dressed in the South/North military uniforms, and many people singing/playing "Dixie".

So, I really don't get your point??? They were US citizens (LEGAL) who were at the gathering in South Carolina. As US citizens, they have the right to be proud of their southern roots/ancestry----which is part of the United States. How does this compare to illegal invaders and the fact that they are not entitled to any benefits/rights in this country?

Hazleton's mayor speaks out on his controversial ordinance
By LINWOOD OUTLAW III Staff writer

"Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta's highly publicized campaign to enforce laws cracking down on the city's influx of illegal immigrants has ruffled more than a few feathers across the nation.

The public uproar over his proposed ordinance continues to astonish Barletta.

Under the proposed Hazleton act, landlords would face $1,000 fines for each illegal immigrant found renting their properties. Employers who give jobs to immigrants would be denied permits.

Since Barletta presented his ordinance last July, more than 100 municipalities in 27 states have considered enforcing similar illegal immigration laws that punish landlords and employers.

Some in attendance on Saturday were local officials from other states that are trying to enforce laws to help curb illegal immigration. Since Barletta presented his ordinance last July, more than 100 municipalities in 27 states have considered enforcing similar illegal immigration laws that punish landlords and employers.

I've basically echoed what he (Barletta) says when he asks 'what part of illegal don't you understand'," said Ted Hochstein, a member of the Herndon, Va., planning commission. "We've (Herndon) gone from having one housing inspector to having seven inspectors in recent years because of overcrowding issues caused by illegal immigration. We're dealing with a lot of issues that Hazleton's dealing with."

Herndon council members recently voted to require contractors to certify that their employees are in the country legally, Hochstein said. He said the council also passed a resolution asking the Virginia General Assembly to prohibit the hiring of illegal immigrants and to grant Herndon the authority to license day-laborer sites.

To help raise donations for legal fees, Barletta said Hazleton officials have organized a City of Hazleton Legal Defense Fund through its Small Town Defenders campaign. So far, Barletta said, the fund has generated about $80,000 in donations.

"I appreciate his (Barletta) willingness to take a stand like he has on an issue that's so important to this country. He's doing his job not only for Hazleton, but for the rest of us," Chambersburg resident John Pace said.

Barletta reiterated Saturday that he and other Hazleton officials will not be intimidated by state or federal judges.

"Illegal is illegal. There's no race in illegal," Barletta said. "A lot of people probably assumed that our little town would back down and roll over. Well, some things are worth fighting for, and we will never back down."

www.americanpatrol.com

Brenda M the point I was trying to make is that a majority of people or groups that are shouting the loudest against immigration, not all, are really individuals that express opinions with racist undertones. They have found a new people that they can vent their frustrations upon over their own short falls and still cover themselves with old glory and the thinly veiled topic of illegal immigrants. As for my comment "What would happened, if was overheard speaking Spanish? Would I be fined or perhaps arrested and spend the night in jail?" I was being sarcastic. I know that as long as keep my ancestors language on the DL I have nothing to be afraid from the Language Police.

PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ARE DOING THIS-----Let's make sure that Bush, the illegals, and the illegal supporters are definitely clear about what we want done!!!

BOYCOTT BUSH'S STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS TOMORROW

Please be sure to do this and pass it on!! We can all see the highlight's of retard's speech when they report it on the news.

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
Jan. 22, 2007 12:00 AM

"WASHINGTON - President Bush will urge passage of comprehensive immigration reform during his sixth State of the Union address to be delivered Tuesday night.

It will be one of the main themes of the speech.

Boycott STATE OF UNION ADDRESS TOMORROW

Bush has called for changing the nation's immigration laws since he became president in 2001. But some immigrant advocates say the new Democratic-controlled Congress gives the Republican president his best opportunity to push through a plan to both better secure the nation's borders and legalize millions of undocumented workers."

Migration reform to top Bush address
Dem-led Congress raises plan's chances

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
Jan. 22, 2007 12:00 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0122stateoftheunion0122.html

Juan:

I have a great idea........For those who do not want to speak the language of our country, obey the laws of our country, and assimmilate into the melting pot---they can leave!!! Again, the illegals are the people who do not want to conform---they can go back to where they came from, as soon, we will be "helping" them to get back!!!

I have no problem speaking English. In fact English is my primary language and I prefer English. What I have a problem with are people like yourself who have this need to make everyone conform to your idea of what is a good American. Why do you have need to attack me or anyone else who chooses to talk any language they wish besides English. As for the rest of the world English is not the primary language spoken.

What don't you get???? This is the US, and in the US, we speak ENGLISH!!

Support grows to make English official
By Eric Pfeiffer
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 22, 2007

"The push to make English the nation's official language is building momentum, with a congressional bill on the horizon and seven states pushing legislation to make English the official language or to strengthen laws already in place. There's been such strong support," said Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican. "And it's gaining momentum.

The legislation would not bar private businesses or individuals from using multilingual material, but it does seek to prevent federal funds from being spent on such efforts."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070122-010039-8297r.htm

Juan, making English the official language is largely an expense thing. If English is not the official language, than the government needs to provide forms and translators in every conceivable language. You think I exaggerate? Then you aren't as Americanized as you imply.

If we provide translated documents and translators for Spanish speakers, then it would be discriminatory not to provide said services for Portuguese speakers. Or German Speakers. Or Japanese speakers. Or Swedish speakers. See the pattern? Make one language the "official" language, and the problem is solved. "But I don't speak English! Unfair!" Do what the Portuguese, German, Japanese, and Swedish speakers do. Learn it! If you think it means you'll be arrested for speaking Spanish in the street, then you're an imbecile.

I grew up as an English speaker in South America. I was there legally - yet, if I had a peso for every time I was told "Yanqui go home!" I'd probably have enough pesos to buy a US nickel.

For the RECORD: The Civil Rights Act of 1964 specifically prevents anyone on U.S. soil from being discriminated against NO MATTER where they were born, their primary language, their age, their sex, their LEGAL STATUS, etc.

Perhaps you should go back and read the law, Brenda and whoever else doubts it.

Oh, and Brenda - it's true - Tancredo hired a contractor at a VERY affordable price. The reason he was so affordable? ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

I live not far from Farmers Branch and hope that they don't give up. I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about this. It all boils down to two words LEGAL or ILLEGAL. This is America last time I looked. English is what we speak, pesos are not our currency and we don't owe ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM ANY COUNTRY ANYTHING. I will be happy to show my birth certificate to rent an apartment, I don't have a problem with that. The only ones screaming are the ones that don't have them.

Wait just a minute Jackie Beltran, don't you think these invaders are discriminating
against the people of the U.S.? If the law states no matter where they were born,their primary language, their age, their sex, their legal statuc, etc. Then how come they don't try to communicate with us? Don't they know that its rude to speak in a foreign language when others are around? This is basic etiquette. Didn't their mommas teach this to them? I sometimes go for a whole week with out hearing anything except foreign verbiage. This is the only reason that I talk to you guys on gather, so that I don't forget where in the hell I'm at. So please, don't start writing in a foreign twang. I don't think I could endure that.

Mr. Martinez, I think you are just trying to pick a fight. These designed to protect US citizens and LEGAL immigrants. Jim Crow laws were intended to discriminate against US CITIZENS. What part of ILLEGAL is it that you and Jackie do not understand? I live far from any US border yet illegal immigration has an impact im my community through reduced wages, higher taxes, and inflated health care costs. There was an article in the River City Gazette yesterday lamenting the effect of the recent ICE raids in Marshalltown. How many people are afraid to go to work or even leave their homes. Well...perhaps they wouldn't have to live in fear IF THEY WERE LEGAL. They have broken our laws. If they are or have been working with stolen Social Security numbers they are FELONS. A recent story covering the conviction of an American citizen on Social Security ID theft described his 25 year prison sentance. Why should their be discrimination based on race when it comes to ID theft? Juan, just because we Americans are tired of having our taxes increased, health insurance premiums inflated, and our wages depressed doesn't make us racists. If we Americans of European descent started an organization by called THE RACE, or the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF WHITE PEOPLE, or the WHITE STUDENT MOVEMENT OF AMERICA, or the WHITE CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS there would indeed be hell to pay. So don't scream RACIST! just because we expect those who join us to play by the same rules we do. Those who join us can either BECOME us or GO HOME!

Well said duane!!!!!!

Bravo Duane, You hit the nail on the head. For some reason people of hispanic decent can not or will not try to assimilate in the country that they move to.IE:Hondurans to Mexico, Mexicans to the U.S. etc. Nobody can really understand this phenomenon, They love their country but can't stand to live there? If that were my country, I'd pack up and move back home to fight for my beloved country.

Duane:

Very good points!!! And, yep, you are right there would indeed be hell to pay if we had groups similar to La Raza, or any other focusing on our heritage or pride in our heritage, culture, etc.

Bob:

Jackie could care less what is done to/for any other group of people, except for her beloved illegals. After all, she is married/living with an illegal---how could she think any other way??? She is just upset that soon she will have to begin gathering boxes to get ready for the big move South!!!

Jackie likes to spout off BS, thinking nobody will call her on it and prove otherwise. She hates the fact that I joined this site, as I can find information/articles to dispute any line of BS that she tries to dish out regarding the illegal invaders/invasion. Everyone needs to get used to doing the same thing. When the "evidence" disputing her claims begins to become too much, she just shuts up and disappears for awhile, so that nobody can call her on it.

Look at her other blog----"the Sofia diaries" to see her comment made that the UK, France, etc. think that we are inhumane, mean, etc. because we want to rid our country of the illegals. Well, I found NUMEROUS articles indicating otherwise!!! Actually, our government should be taking lessons from these countries on how to end the illegal invader problems ASAP---which includes Australia, UK, France, Denmark, etc. When these countries finally said ENOUGH and decided to end their illegal invasion, they did not waste any time.

Jackie:

The last time that I checked, this would not include ILLEGALS!!!!

"The Civil Rights Division is committed to upholding the civil and constitutional rights of all "AMERICANS", including some of the most vulnerable members of our society."

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/activity.html

The problem, it seems, is that the ACLU, La Raza, etc.,--are interpreting/using the Civil Rights Act as a means to get rights/entitlements for illegals---the same way that the 14th Amendment has been incorrectly interpreted and applied.

Illegals are not US citizens, they are ILLEGAL!!! Therefore, the amendments of the constitution and the Civil Rights Act does not apply to them---no matter what Jackie thinks/says.

What we need is for these cases to make it to the Supreme Court----where there will be a slam-dunk, problems-solved result!!

If illegals were protected by the Civil Rights Act, apartment landlords/managers would not be able to legally refuse renting to them. If illegals were protected under the Civil Rights Act, police officers in many towns would not be able to get the training/certification to "legally" enforce our immigration laws, by arresting and deporting. The only basis that the ACLU, La Raza, etc has in fighting the laws of Hazleton, Farmer's Branch, etc.---is that LEGAL Hispanics/Latinos are being affected/discriminated while the cities are enforcing their laws against the ILLEGAL invaders.

The illegals have the right to be treated fairly and humanely until they are deported!!!

Jim C. "If you think it means you'll be arrested for speaking Spanish in the street, then you're an imbecile." By making this statement you are demonstrating your inability to recognize sarcasm thus making it obvious to all who the imbecile really is.

duane c. you say that this is just an illegal problem and that racism has nothing to do with it, yet you and your counterparts keeping using terms like " we Americans " or "join us can either BECOME us or GO HOME! " Then there individuals like Twyla C. who keep saying they don't mind the anti-immigration ordinances being passed in places like the neighborhoods of Dallas where a birth certificate proving you are a citizen will be required, because in the back of their minds, not being Latin it is certain they will never be asked to prove their citizenship. I am an American citizen; I am not a legal or illegal immigrant. My family has been living in Texas since long before it was ever a part of the U.S. My Father, Uncles, both of my Grandfathers and my brother-in-law all served their country in the Marines and I find it insulting and demeaning that I would have to prove my citizenship in order to rent an apartment in any city or town in this Land Of The Free. That is the reason behind all my animosity towards individuals who are seeking to impose restrictions upon me and all other people of Latin decent. What would be next any non-white Americans being required to carry documentation or ID cards like those imposed on the colored citizens in South Africa during the dark times of Apartheid. How is that saying go "when they came for my neighbor I did not say anything, When they came for me there was no left to protest".

Juan:

Latinos/Hispanics alone will not be required to provide documentation proving citizenship---everyone will. I have friends who are Italian, quite a few times they have been mistaken for Mexican, Puerto Rican, etc. So, you see, it will not only be legal Hispanics/Latinos who may be mistaken for illegals.

Juan, I apologize for saying that you're an imbecile. The problem is, there was so much nutty, paranoid stuff in your article that I made the mistake of taking some of it at face value. I guess the broken English: "while studying history in University," "when apply for an apartment," "if was overheard speaking Spanish," " if you analysis the trend ," should have clued me in to your article being a spoof.

You know Juan, I kind of get where you're coming from and I empathize with your plight, you being of hispanic descent. I know for a fact that theres not one person that I know, has any thing against you or your family. You're Americans! But you got to realize that we, as a nation, have got to stand up for our country. That includes you my friend. Its not that we hate/despise hispanics. On the contrary, the hispanics have and still will contribute to the American way of life. Its the people that invade our country and could care less about its laws or customs. Granted hispanics are a large part of the invaders, but-------anybody that comes across our border illegally is what the problem is. If the people that run our government are looking the other way , which they are, then we will get rid of those people. There has to be a system in place that lets all that want to come to this country legally. And there is, unfortunately nobody seems to want to respect that.Now, I know just as I said that, everybody is going to be up in arms saying it takes to long!!!There in lies the problem. Having sponsored quite a few friends and relatives of the guys that worked for me through the years, the longest one took a month. Now I know that alot of people are going around telling stories that it takes years to accomplish this, but its just not true if they have a sponsor. If there are employers out there that need legal hard working people, this is the way to accomplish this. Not throwing open the gates and letting all the people come in to destroy America. Lets do it the right way. Check it out and see for yourself. Call the immigration dept.

Jim C, I guess, you are not familiar with the correct way of using the word University in oral or written form. As for my so-called broken English, my International Business professor always chastised me for my horrendous spelling and typing skills. As for this being a spoof well I guess if you have and never will be subject to discrimination because of your ethnicity than I guess you would call my opinions and article a spoof.

Juan, I studied Spanish for years in grade school, junior high, and high school. It is a beautiful language. I thought it way cool to have the ability to help someone who doesn't understand English. In several work situations I have served as an interpreter. It never occured to me to question whether or not my English impaired co-workers were here anything other than legally. Then our Governor wanted to make our hometown for these 'New Iowans' because there were not enough 'Old Iowans' to do all the work. It just stood to reason if our wages were raised we would have all the workers the state of Iowa needed. Then I met Roy Beck and Craig Nelson of Numbers USA, and Project USA respectively. I learned just how pervasive illegal immigration is. If we shared a border with Germany and their wage level was as low as Mexico's is it would be people who look like me that would probably be complaining. However, it is not Germany we share a border with, and some of my ancestors came through Ellis Island. If you truly are an American, then join us in our fight to protect our country. This is a struggle to maintain a culture and way of life. Our culture and our way of life.

Juan. For years I was subject to discrimination because of my ethnicity. Like I said, I was an American living in Latin America being told "Yanqui go home." Oh wait. That's not discrimination. Discrimination is something the evil gringo does to Mexicans. My mistake.

ps- If you want to discuss proper usage, I'm more than happy to critique your horrific punctuation. So, if you wanna start down that road, let me know.

Oh. And by the way. I can't tell you how many times I was asked for my ID while living in South America. Wanna guess how many government forms were printed in English so that I didn't have to 'lose my culture' by learning to read Spanish? Harassment? I was pulled off the bus as a teenager because they wanted to make sure I wasn't a Colombian, (I was 6'2" and blonde) and held in a lockup facility until someone came with my passport. No clue where they would have deported me to.

So did it occur to you that the discrimination that the you're seeing IS "the tide of the Latin influence" that you're dreaming of? Farmers Branch had a shady hearing? No! It's not like Mexico ever had a controversial election. "Tide of the Latin Influence" strikes again.

So instead of babbling about Jim Crow laws. . . Sorry. I failed to mention. Did you know that it is ILLEGAL for a black person to become a citizen of Argentina or of Chile? Did you know that it's illegal for an American citizen to own beach front property in Mexico? Did you know that Argentina's constitution requires the President to be Roman Catholic? (Menem got around this by getting baptized after being elected.) tolerant as Mexico is.

Sorry. So instead of babbling about Jim Crow laws, why not make a valid point?

For example.
It takes a lot of courage, gumption, resourcefulness, and risk tolerance to leave your home country behind, defy the rules, and make your way into America. It takes tremendous work ethic to start with a jug of water and a blanket, and turn it into a prospering business.

As someone who speaks Spanish, I can testify that the average Mexican day laborer has a lot more brains than his American counterparts. These are smart, hardworking people, folks. They'll go far if given the opportunity. It's not like we're getting Mexico's trash; we're getting their entrepreneurs. We've set up a hurdle - and we're getting people who are able to deal with hurdles. (We're also getting people whose first decision on American soil is that they're not going to obey all the laws - otherwise they'd turn around and go back - which is what many people fear.)

Think, however, of where this leaves Mexico. The people who stay behind are either a) those happy with the status quo, or b) those too lazy to leave. So why doesn't Mexico do something to keep it's entrepreneurs from leaving? The answer is simple: votes.

Mexico has somewhere between 100 and 110 million citizens. Estimates of the number of Mexicans living in America range from 10 million to Vicente Fox's claim of 20 million. Think of that. ~10% to ~20% of Mexicans are IN America! Consider the fact that most Mexicans in America are sending money back to Mexico (Money sent from ExPats is the #1 source of income in Mexico) and you could have between 20% and 50% of Mexico being at least partially supported by US payrolls.

Does Mexico's government want to tick off 20-50% of the voting public? Nope. In fact, even hinting that they want to do something about it is enough to send shockwaves of panic.

Anyway, arguing that an American town shouldn't have rules against illegal immigrants is blatant hypocrisy. Do you want the 'Mexican Way' of doing things, or don't you?

As pointed out by this article, there are many Hispanics/Latinos who also do not support the illegal invasion.

Reformer Corner

Marianne Davies

"As an American of Hispanic roots, whose parents immigrated here legally over 50 years ago, I felt that the push for amnesty by President Bush and many in the Senate was a slap in the face to all law-abiding naturalized citizens who willingly and eagerly complied with our federal immigration laws to earn the privilege of calling this great nation their new "homeland." I could not sit idly by and watch this unfold.

Then along came Colonel Al Rodriguez! When Col. Rodriguez called and asked me to join him in You Don't Speak for Me (YSSFM)!, I was thrilled to realize that there were other American Hispanics who stood with the majority of Americans in opposing illegal immigration and any measures that would reward illegal aliens with citizenship. At YDSFM's first press conference in Washington, D.C., where we were joined by several members of Congress, our voices were heard and well-received and covered by the national media. YDSFM seeks to dispel the myth that American Hispanics support amnesty for illegal aliens.

With more than 5,000 members, YDSFM is now in the process of forming local chapters across the country. We seek to work with other immigration reform groups and state, local and federal government officials to provide support and assistance in implementing policies and measures to address illegal immigration locally. Above all, we seek to send the message to the president and the newly elected officials in Congress that a vote for amnesty in any form will be a vote out of office for those who support it. "

Cont'd through links............

You don't speak for me organization: http://www.dontspeakforme.org/

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_jan07nl04

Jim C. so it now becomes clear where all your animosity towards Latinos comes from. Your time in South America was not a positive one and now it's pay back time. You feel the need to treat anyone who has a sir-name that ends in Z, whether a citizen, a legal or illegal immigrant, with the same disrespect you were treated with while residing in South America. As for a lesson in grammar it was you who brought it up, when you felt the need to critique my writing skill and my broken English. As for your claim of discrimination has it happened to you even once since your return to the U.S.? I doubt it?

As for Brenda M and her counterparts, I never once indicated that I support or supported illegal immigration. What I strongly object to is the laws and or ordinances that White America is passing or trying to pass that will negatively infringe upon my rights and those of other Hispanic Americans simply because we are fortunate enough to be part of the Hispanic culture. Everyone keeps repeating (almost like a mantra) this would apply to everyone. Everyone would be asked for a birth certificate when applying for a job or a lease. When in reality everyone knows that this is not going to happen. I seriously doubt if a landlord in Farmers Branch City would require blond hair and blue-eyed Mr. and Mrs. Smith to proof that they are a citizen and if you belief that they would, than you are just deluding yourself. As for bringing up the Jim Crow laws this was just my attempt to give an example on how laws can be passed by those in power that are aimed at one specific group of Americans simply because of bigotry clothed in sheep skins.

I loved my time time in Latin America, and have a positive view of those who have immigrated to America. (You obviously didn't make it past the 2nd paragraph or you'd know that.)

I want to make sure I understand your objection. As long as EVERYONE needs to provide a birth certificate are you fine with the law? If so, then we're all singing from the same hymnal.

Perhaps everyone of Latin decent, whether an American citizen or not, should be required to wear some sort of symbol, like the star of David Jews were forced to wear in Germany, to identify themselves as Hispanic, Mexican or from some other Latin nation. It would be something to see someone like Salma Hayek wearing a sombrero or a taco on her chest.

I don't know their food is more popular than soul food in America, so it will probably pass.

Juan:

No, just their usual arrogance and sense of entitlement----to rights/benefits that do not belong to them will be enough.

Brenda M So what you are saying is that no Latino (even if they are a citizen or a legal immigrant) has the license to demand their rights and benefits afforded to them by the constitution and if they have the audacity to demand them then they are just being arrogant and have a false sense of entitlement.

Brenda M So only people that look like you or speak with no accent other than a southern drawl have any rights. It must be great to be a member of the Master Race and have everyone else as your Serf or Peon.

Juan:

"Brenda M So what you are saying is that no Latino (even if they are a citizen or a legal immigrant) has the license to demand their rights and benefits afforded to them by the constitution and if they have the audacity to demand them then they are just being arrogant and have a false sense of entitlement."

No, you racist--I was talking about the ILLEGALS!! Even though they are not LEGAL citizens---and are not entitled to any benefits/rights in this country---they are arrogant enough to stand in our streets demanding/protesting/threatening for rights/benefits that they are not entitled to---all while waving Mexican/communist flags and spouting off with their anti-American/Aztlan BS.

Still waitin' for an answer:
"As long as EVERYONE needs to provide a birth certificate are you fine with the law?"

But of course Juan won't answer that. Because if he says yes, then he and the mean Farmers Branch folks are in agreement! If he says no, then it demonstrates that he's not looking for a law that is equitable for all citizens. And if he dances around the question. . .

So my guess is that he'll say that he agrees with it in theory, but the racists in Farmers Branch won't enforce it equally. Wanna bet? There are too many lawyers waiting for the city to screw up. If apartment managers aren't able to document that they're treating all tenants the same, the will be a class action lawsuit. The fear of a lawsuit will keep them in check.

So the law will be executed equally and fairly. Don't think so? Move there and sue Farmer's Branch as soon as you observe an exception - because you'll win.

So back to the question:
"As long as EVERYONE needs to provide a birth certificate are you fine with the law?"

Jim C. I will never agree with an ordinance or law that will curtail my rights as a U.S. citizen, especially with one (thinly disguised as an anti-illegal immigration measure) is specifically designed to be implemented against everyone of Latin decent. No matter how much it is defended and stated that it will be fairly applied, everyone with a practical sense of how the real world works knows that the measure can and never will be applied to everyone with the same fairness. To Brenda M I say how can you be calling me racist when most if not of all your rhetoric is tainted with undertones of intolerance to anyone of Latin persuasion. I have been associated with music, professionally and otherwise in one form or another since I was first able to pick up a guitar and in that time I learned how music is the only international language. Music has taken me all over the U.S. and even into other countries this in turn helped me to learn and understand that everyone should be treated with respect, regardless of their race and social status. However by reading your comments, I have come to a personal belief that you lack this understanding and the sad truth you are oblivious to it.

But it would curtail the rights of me too, if I live in Farmer's Branch - just like our rights have been curtailed by security checks at the airport, despite the fact that it isn't Anglos or Hispanics that have hijacked planes. I would also have to provide a birth certificate.

The benefit for you would be this: given that illegals wouldn't be allowed to live in Farmer's Branch, if you live there, people will no longer assume that you're illegal. Don't you see?

Jim C:

"The benefit for you would be this: given that illegals wouldn't be allowed to live in Farmer's Branch, if you live there, people will no longer assume that you're illegal. Don't you see? "

You are missing the point.....Juan, and other illegal supporters like him----could care less if these people are illegally invading our country, in some twisted way--they feel that they have a right to be here. Therefore, they do not feel that any laws/methods should exist to rid our country of the illegal invaders, as they want them here and they feel that they have a right to be here. Then, they pull out the old racist/xenophobic cards anytime attempts are made to put an end to the illegal invasion.

Juan , you keep saying that everybody is racist because they don't want illegals in this country. If you don't take a stand with the American people, pretty soon you'll have to salute the new El Presidenta, Hugo Chavez. You want to "see" the communists taking over the U.S.A.. This is NOT RACIAL. Its about our sovereignty. Wake up before you won't be able to play the music that YOU want. Instead of what a dictator wants to hear

Brenda M "Juan, and other illegal supporters like him" could care less if these people are illegally invading our country, in some twisted way--they feel that they have a right to be here"
Yes I do feel I have a right to be here. As for your intolerenace towards Hispanic Americans and immigrants both legal and legal from Latin nations, anyone familiar with or has had the opportunity to read your words in their entirely would come to the same conclusions as I have.

Jim C. "The benefit for you would be this: given that illegals wouldn't be allowed to live in Farmer's Branch, if you live there, people will no longer assume that you're illegal. Don't you see? "
So just because I am a Hispanic American then everyone must assume I am an illegal and thus I must prove my citizenship any time some anti immigrant person or group asks me to.

Bob M."If you don't take a stand with the American people, pretty soon you'll have to salute the new El Presidenta,"
Why do you use the term the American people, instead with the rest of America or the majority Americans? Lets make this crystal clear. I am a Hispanic American but not less of an American because of that and by the way the word is presidente.

Let me make this clear as possible. I have and never been an advocate for illegal immigration or illegal immigrants. My problem is with individuals and groups that paint everyone of Latin decent with the same brush. I also have a huge problem with groups, like in the Dallas Case, that pass ordinances and or laws that can never be applied fairly and equally. If there is ever a time in which it can be applied uniformly and without decent that every citizen whether blue eyed and blond or black hair and dark skin is required to proof their citizenship than just maybe I might rethink my view. But until that moment happens I will keep on strongly opposing any attempts to infringe upon my rights as a Hispanic American.

Jim C. All this anti immigration uproar is very funny because the few times I have been fortunate enough to visit places like Mexico City, Monterrey and Cancun the locals considered me an outsider an American, even thou I could speak and understand Spanish perfectly. Here in the U.S., which is my country, birthplace and land of my ancestors, I still need to prove my citizenship to people like the citizens of Farmers Branch City and people like Brenda M.

Juan, You might consider yourself as a hyphenated American, but in my eyes you're an American. Sorry for the mistake. Also the key word is "with", since I considered you as an American. Sorry I didn't realize that you didn't want to be recognized as such. Also, I consider Hugo Chavez a pussy, thats why the "a" and not the"e"

Bob M I keep using Hispanic American to emphasis to people like Brenda M and her fellow True Americans that I am 100 percent American and just because I am Hispanic it does not mean that I will stay silent when there are groups and individuals like her that are out to curtail my rights by disguising racist measures as illegal immigrant ordinances. No matter how you try to justify what Farmers Branch City and entities like it are attempting to do, it boils down to the fact that they can never truly be fairly implemented. This is root of my irritation and resentment. I am totally opposed to any individual or group that tends to defend laws that would make English the only language to be spoken in America or would require me and my fellow Hispanic Americans to proof their citizenship every time some frighten and paranoid W.A.S.P demands it. Now I might come out sounding racist myself that is only because the so-called anti-immigration rhetoric is currently not being directed at anyone else other than people of Hispanic, Mexican, or other Latin decent. Now I honestly belief and know that if these measures I am totally opposed to were direct at any other American I would oppose them with the same vigor that I do now.

Juan, Point taken. But, I have to tell you Juan, that on this side of the screen you try to make it sound like its a racist thing. Maybe your not trying to sound that way, but to me it does. I already explained that I understand your plight as a hispanic and I truly believe that 99% of the people here on gather are Not trying to make it a racial thing. Its that they/I see the illegal invaders in a different light. It wouldn't make any difference if it were the Canadians overwhelming this Country. Its not the ethnicity of the people, its the events that are transpiring against our country. I read earlier what Jackie wrote about what she thinks should transpire. I'll tell you true, she's got it covered. She listed thoughts one by one, and they make perfectly good rationale to me. Don't tell her I said that. We need to get through this mess were in of turning on each other, throw the derelicts that are trying to ruin this country out, and get on with the program that our founding fathers wanted for us.

Bob M,
Not long ago, Irving, Texas started enforcing a policy that said, "If you are stopped by a police officer and you don't have car insurance, your car will be impounded." Sounds fair, right? That's because you're a stinking RACIST!!! Well, at least that's what the Hispanic community said. It was equally enforced, but sadly most of the people who had their cars impounded were Hispanic. (Sorry Juan, admitting that isn't politically correct, but it's actuarially sound.) Did people of all races have their cars impounded? Yep. But most were Hispanic. That's not the laws fault. It's not the city of Irving's fault.

In like manner, the Farmer's Branch law, if equally enforced, will impact Hispanics the hardest. Why? Because the Farmer's Branch people are a bunch of stinking RACISTS!!! Um, no. It's because most of the illegal immigrants in Farmer's Branch are Hispanic. I've got a friend from Austria who's here illegally. He won't be able to live in Farmer's Branch either. I guess he should be screaming that the people in Farmer's Branch are anti-Austrian pigs.

Juan stated, "I will never agree with an ordinance or law that will curtail my rights as a U.S. citizen. . ."

It seems it's time for a civics refresher. The ONLY thing that laws do is curtail your rights. Want some examples? No speeding allowed. No stealing. No embezzling. No bouncing checks. No kiting checks. A law allowing tax. A law increasing tax. All laws ever written, with the exception of laws that removed prior laws, have one thing in common. They ALL curtail freedom.

So bad news, buddy. Part of living in a country that is governed by laws is that your freedom will be curtailed. That's simply the price we all pay.

You mentioned above that you were 100% American. All kidding aside, you're demonstrating that with this article. American citizens have the right to raise a fuss if they disagree with a law being passed. You're doing precisely that. So keep it up!

Jim/Bob:

Here is the transcript from Lou Dobb's show on 1/25/07 where the illegals and their supporters are bit$ching about the recent raids. The words/comments are priceless.

"CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Saying they're empowered by the Democrats' control of Congress, a coalition of illegal alien advocacy groups is, in effect, demanding an end to immigration law enforcement in the United States.

GLORIA SAUCEDO, HERMANDAD MEXICANA: We come here to request the president to stop the deportation in the race because it's not good for the country

WIAN: The National Alliance of Latin American and Caribbean Communities is in Washington, D.C., lobbying lawmakers to support its so-called new course on immigration reform. Among its demands, unlimited amnesty for illegal aliens.

ANGELA SANBRANO, CENTRAL AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER: Every migrant already residing in the United States who's contributing to the well- being in progress of the nation of good moral character and to whom our current laws deny the possibility to be legal permanent residents should be granted such opportunity.

WIAN: The group also wants illegal aliens now in the United States to receive priority in any future guest worker program and a guarantee of legal permanent residency for foreign workers.

OSCAR CHACON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NALACC: We're not talking any privilege for foreigners. We're talking about the same rights. We work hard. We pay taxes. So why shouldn't we have the same rights, you know, as everybody else?

WIAN: The activists did not say how the United States should determine which illegal aliens are of good moral character. Nor did they say if activities, such as paying a smuggler to illegally cross the border, violating the law by overstaying a visa, or committing document fraud, would be exempt from a moral litmus test. They did demand debt forgiveness for all impoverished Latin American nations and the expansion of multilingual, multicultural education in the United States."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/25/ldt.01.html

www.americanpatrol.com

Jim C While the road manager of the Spanish Rock band I help start while in college, I traveled all over the United States and that included a majority of Texas cities and towns, which included Dallas and Irving Texas. This gives me an insight on the residents of those cities. It is sad to say but a great majority of the citizens of Dallas and Irving Texas do have some deep-seated racist feelings. However the policy of enforcement the requirement of having liability insurance is not the same as a law or ordinance that is primarily geared towards one group or specific part of the population. In the insurance law I am assumed compliant and only asked for proof if I am stopped for some traffic violation and in the Farmers Branch City's ordinance I am assumed an illegal and must proof my citizenship every time I wish to rent or lease an apartment. That is core of my problem and discord and it has nothing to do with the individuals falsely painting me as an advocate for illegal immigration.

Jim C "It seems it's time for a civics refresher. The ONLY thing that laws do is curtail your rights. Want some examples? No speeding allowed. No stealing. No embezzling. No bouncing checks. No kiting checks. A law allowing tax. A law increasing tax. All laws ever written, with the exception of laws that removed prior laws, have one thing in common. They ALL curtail freedom. "
Actually Jim these laws can and are enforced fairly and equally, just take a look at the roaster in Club Fed But, the ordinances being passed aimed at illegal immigrants, if you really and truly step back and look at them unbiased there is only one intellectual conclusion and that is they can and never will be enforced fairly. Every Hispanic American will be assumed illegal and thus be forced to prove his citizenship for the rest of his life.

Juan, Have you been to airport lately? When I have to go through the metal detector, I can always see these little old grey haired ladies having to go through the same process that I'm going through. Now if you watch the MSM news, everybody knows that they don't have any women in Iraq. Have you ever seen any?Juan, everybody will have to go through the same routine as you do, all though as they might look at you a little closer, when Mexicans are crossing into the U.S. from Mexico, they seem to not pay much attention to the Mexicans. Strange, isn't it?

I understand your angst, Juan, but it's misdirected. The problem isn't all the racist gringos. The problem is the millions of illegal immigrants who have crossed the border. Unfortunately, they look somewhat like you. Hypothetically speaking, if there were a huge surge of illegal immigration from Western Europe, and, as a result, people treated me like an illegal immigrant, I'd be mad, just like you. But I'd be mad at the Western Europeans making me look bad, not at everyone else.

Send all of the illegal immigrants home, Juan, and a lot of the ill-will toward hispanics will go with them.

(Alright, I've cut your spelling some slack, but this is too good to pass up. I love the phrase, 'The roaster in Club Fed.' I'm sure you meant roster, but roaster is much more colorful. Gotta love old sparky!)

Jim C. I guess the only thing left to say is we have to agree to disagree because until a city like Dallas passes an ordinance that anyone with European lineage must prove his or her citizenship we will never be on the same page on this issue and thanks for giving me a break on my atrocious spelling. I know I have to work on it.

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