Gay Supporters - Ford Needs You

Sexuality doesn't have much to do with a vehicle purchase. At least when I've bought my Chevys, no one seemed to care!

I have had quite a few Fords and have nothing but problems with them. Ford customer service is not very good. While I appreciate what they have done, they would have to make many changes to their cars and their company for me to buy from them again.

I have a 95 Escort approaching 250,000 Miles...

If there were homo-boys kissing in the back seat, I would burn it tomorrow!

Fear not Ford still has hope as our next vehicle will be a Ford. Our Dakota SUCKS 5 transmissions worth in 3 years.

I must find out where Grateful 1 parks his car.

If you take a stand on something such as you are saying Ford did, you have to be prepared because there can be repercussions to deal with. Just as yes, we have freedom of speech but if you are in the public sector be prepared to deal with those who do not agree with what you believe in. That's just the way it works. People can boycott if they don't like what you stand for.

Thank you Vickey.

You are very much a hate-filled person, Nanci, and it's an unfortunate thing to behold.

What's the AFA?

Anyway, this type of boycott didn't work against Disney, so I don't think Ford has anything to worry about.

gay people shop at the mall as well...better start that boycot! Where do people come up with this rediculous crap?

I thought the "Homosexual Agenda" was based on wanting fair treatment and equality before the law.

BTW, if it makes any difference, the last American made car I owned was a '65 Dodge Dart that I bought in 1967. It's a free market choice based on quality. I'd buy an American made car in a minute if I though it was as good as a Honda or Toyota.

The AFA is The American Family Association

They support things that I find un-American but you can decide for yourself by clicking on the link.

Thank yo so much for your insight Johnny.

The shocking thing about this 'article" is that nanci didn't include at least one bible verse to back up her hate mongering.

You really pay close attention to my writing Travis. I appreciate that. Unfortunately, I never include Bible verses in my writing. Perhaps you have confused me with someone else?

Kenneth, I am not on the membership committee. perhaps you should ask your question in a more appropriate forum.

perhaps I should have said you didn't include "god" in your rant/hate mongering...my mistake.

i don't understand

what do the rest of you have to do?

and why?

Wasn't much aof a rant now Travis, was it? All I did was reprint an email, with permission, and with a comment that Ford could use the support of it's gay customers right about now. That was really hateful of me.

"So for all of you that support gay rights, now is the time to run out and buy a Ford. As for the rest of us, we know what we have to do."

Are you to have us believe, Nanci, that there's no implicit hate in that statement? What the "we" is being urged to do could just as well be burning crosses on people's front lawns as it is boycotting an auto maker.

Boycotting a company that supports something we don't believe in? Let's see I also won't buy Pepsi or Citgo gas. Yes you are so right I am just one big miasma of hate. Thank you for pointing that out. I can sleep now.

I am amazed there are so many people lucky enough to never have heard of the AFA.

On second thought, that might not be such a good thing. Those people have wormed their way into many important aspects of our society and it would probably be a great idea for everyone to know what they are up to. (I stay on their mailing list so I can counter their campaigns.)

AFA = American Family Association (the word 'family' meant to disguise bigotry)

There's that "we" again, Nanci. I don't see anyone besides you credited as the author of this article; please enlighten me as to the cause of your klan--I mean "clan"--I mean "group".

Read it again Johnny. It tells you clearly where the bulk of the article came from. Oh wait, Johnny Can't Read - didn't I see that in a book somewhere?

Thanks, I think I'll pass on the click.

Is this that James Dobson's group? I know all about that guy.

Nanci, it's clear to everyone that you're not capable of original thought, so the fact that you cut-and-pasted the majority of this piece is understood. But the portion I previously quoted was your own words, was it not?

boycotting a business because they bought an advertisement on some fictional show that had fictional characters kissing in the context of a fictional scenario

sorry, i don't think you are going far enough


what you need are your own products and stores

jesusmobiles!

christmart!

virgin mary cola!

for all you do, his bloods for you

Nanci, I too, don't buy pepsi or citgo gas. Homosexuality is against my religion (yes Travis :-) I said the word religion just kidding) but I respect that my beliefs aren't those of everyone elses and that as a sinner myself I haven't the right to judge others. There are many homosexuals in our world. I personally have homosexuals friends. I don't agree with their life choices but I acceot and respect their right to those choices. I have no problem with homosexuals and how they live their lives and do in the privacy of their own homes. What I have a problem with is homosexuality being crammed down my throat. I have a problem with a company, who for reasons no matter how hard I try I can not understand why, felt they had to publicly announce their catering to and supporting homosexuality. Did they decided to publicize their support of the heterosexuals of the world? Nope! This is in where I find the problem! Why do we need to know that homosexuals buy their vehicles or work for their company? Common logic tells us that even homosexuals have to work somewhere and usually need a vehicle to drive to get them to their place of employment! Why cram i t down my throat or down the throats of my children who have yet to decide their own sexual orientation?

Krissy wrote: "...homosexuality being crammed down my throat."

You might want to reconsider the use of that phrase in that context.

I doubt your kids are going to make a conscious choice about their sexual orientation. I know I didn't. I'm perfectly happy with being straight. Sexual orientation is like skin color or eye color. You don't get to pick.

I like Japanese cars. Sorry.

Why, thank you shawn. A point is a point and frankly, you wouldn't recognize hate if it bit you in the ass.

Now I would buy a truck with an ad showing someone getting bitten in the ass!

Sorry Nanci, your colors are showing and it's not the rainbow!

Who the hell do these self-righteous turds think they are telling other Americans what they can watch, read, eat, or who they can love. Get over yourselves, commit to your families, insure your health and happiness but just remember at all times to live and let live.

Companies that come out (no pun intended) announcing that they have changed their discrimination policy to include gays are not supporting homosexuality. They are supporting diversity. Diversity means that everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexuality are equal. These policies also protect those who live their lives and have all their opinions formed by the bible. So when you boycott these companies you are only hurting yourself.

Bravo Melissa

It is a diversity that we don't think is appropriate. There are things that we do not think is appropriate to show families or to expose young children too.

I have had many conversations on gather regarding by beliefs about homosexuality and my relationship with homosexuals. They are two entirely different issues which you are all apparently too dense to understand. Krissy explained it well from her point of view and since I have spent hours in other articles I am not going to go into it again.

If you think I hate because my faith thinks homosexuality is wrong, feel free. Frankly, your opinion or condemnation is irrelevant to my life and my relationships.

Thanks DW.

Sorry, Kenneth. They include the scene via a link so that those members who are interested in verifying the exact nature of what Ford is supporting. It is like including a link in an article about economics where you reference the latest numbers released by the Government.

The issue of whether they asked to sponsor that specific scene is irrelevant (and of course your question cannot be answered). What Ford HAS done is to dedicate a certain portion of its advertising budget to supporting/promoting shows, magazines, organizations that are dedicated to promoting homosexuality.

Ford specifically stated that they would take a sexuality-neutral position in their advertising. Essentially that means that they will advertise in mags like Time or Newsweek and support things like the Rose Bowl Parade. Gays and Straights alike read/watch sexuality/neutral magazines and programs.

Personally, if someone showed me that a company I patronize was entering into a major ad campaign with a group promoting S&M, I would have the same reaction to them. The company does not have to say they disapprove of heterosexuality.

We live in a consumer driven country. One of the only ways we can impact the decisions of a large company like Ford or WalMart or Best Buy is to shop or not shop there depending on our viewpoint.

If you go back to the top of the article, you will see that not only did I point out the boycott, which I happen to support, I suggested that if you supported gay rights you might want to support Ford because of their targeted ad campaign. That is pretty hateful, I know.

Are you trying to protect your children from seeing any public display of affection, or are you only trying to protect them from displays of affection between two people of the same gender? Would you boycott FORD if their ad showed a girl and guy kissing?

I can't completely follow the logic in your point about suggesting that those who support gay rights should also support Ford. If I were in the market for a car, had narrowed my choices down to two cars, something like this would influence my decision. To assume that I should support a company because of an ad instead of basing my decision on the quality of their product and the way they treat their employees and community insinuates that I am shallow.

Thanks for posting a link to that scene - those guys were hot!! Woooo!!!

I highly doubt the slowdown in Ford sales has anything to do with the homosexual kissing scene. The number of people who would actually know about that is small. We've got other issues with our economy and higher gas prices causing people to look towards more fuel-efficient cars, which Ford sucks at compared to Toyota.

Larry wrote:

"jesusmobiles!

christmart!

virgin mary cola!

for all you do, his bloods for you"

HILARIOUS...but actually, from a marketing standpoint, not a bad idea.

I didn't say you should Sandy. I am suggesting that those who support Gay Rights might want to consider this while they are looking for a new car. A buycott is just as valid as a boycott. It has nothing to do with shallow - it has to do with voicing your opinion with the money you are spending. I object to the way Ford spends its advertising dollars therefore I do not want my money to add to their income.

As for your first question, I would not want my child to see two men or two women kissing under any circumstances. I would make a decision on whether I wanted them to see a heterosexual kiss based on the context. If they were showing overtly sexual behaviours, I would not allow my children to see them. I would not want my children to see anything that I felt was beyond their ability to process at their particular age level. I would not want them to see excessive violence either. I feel strongly that it is the responsibility of a parent to protect their child from anything they consider inappropriate. But then, I don't want to see any of the above things either.

Steph, my understanding of the latest car sales figures shows that GM and Dodge are experience sales increases despite similar issues on fuel economy and safety. If the steady increases Ford has been experiencing since the beginning of this boycott are coincidental, I guess the organizers just need to work harder. We didn't buy a Ford when we replaced our totalled car. Unfortunately, I can't not buy any more Fords than I already have.

My understanding of your article is the same as when someone calls for a boycott, but you are telling people just the opposite. You are telling people, that A company that has publickly announced their support to the GLBT community is hurting in sales, and if you are someone who purchases only from that point of view "which there are several who make that decision based on that type of information" then you should definitly purchase a ford product.

You were not hate mongering, bigoted, or any of the sorts. The words of that came from redue commentors who wanted to show you in a different light.

Sandy, yes for someone to make a decision to buy because a company does, or does not support a certain agenda, or ideal, should not be the reason why you would, as an normal thinking adult one of their products. I agree it would be a very shallow thinkin gprocess. You are correct.

A good article to bring to light the thinking of people, and how it affects a large corporation, even Ford.

Thank you Nanci

Thanks Randy.

Well said Nanci. I'll let your comment stand as my response. :-) And for all of you who think I'm bigotted by my opinion maybe you're right. What I do know for sure is I have three children. A 21 year old daughter, a 12 year old son and a 7 year old son. My daughter is a lesbian. I love her. I accept her, She is my child, my heart. That doesn't change my viewpoint or where I stand on the matter at hand or of that of homosexuality in general. My place is not to judge, but to accept. Also, though I have to be true to myself and my beliefs. You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. Just my opinion...and ya know what they say about opinions........LOL

Thanks Krissy.

And now the article has been flagged. I love the fact that people always want to shut down view points that they don't like rather than discuss the issues. Typical liberal BS.

Have you ever watched the show Boiling Point? That liberal MTV channel airs it...

The show is about people walking into situations and being pushed for a certain amount of time. If the person chooses to remain calm and not curse, punch, or call the police, he or she is given $100 for their apparent home training.

I will make my point quickly, as I tend to get long-winded and I see the possibility of discussions with you might bring me amusement. I have a question which I hope you can answer. What is the homosexual agenda? Is it an agenda that is any different from the blacks, the Jews, women, or any other genre of people? Sadly enough, my feelings are that you believe the black man should still be enslaved, the jews still gassed, and women, like yourself I assume, should still be unable to even determine their own places in society. The ultra conservative white male, the majority of the party which you support, has no desire to see a woman, a black man, a Jew, or a homosexual reach any place in life that might be equal to them. For all of us, threaten the old boy network.

To say agenda brings forth the implication of people hiding behind an underlying cause/belief, etc. Maybe we can say the woman's agenda was only to make more money, or the black man's agenda is merely to choose his own direction in life, or better yet the Jews' agenda was to merely stay alive. So, I ask you, if two people decide they want to share a life together, and we are a country that believes in a separation of church and state, then why should all men or women that want to love and be contractually obligated to each other not be recognized? Now, mind you, and sometimes conservatives are slow witted, I did say man or woman, not man and woman.

To go back to my comment on your trolling nonsense, I find your need to repress anyone who disagrees with your word, voice, or whathaveyou, to have all the similarities of our current leader that both whimsically and foolishly fires anyone that does not agree with his oil driven "agenda"! The sad thing is publishing articles like this and making the comments that you do shows that you're powerless in your life in some form. I truly believe that power equals security, acceptance equals justice, and belonging breeds insecurities. Your need to mute, exile, and openly belittle "agendas" different from yours shows your need to hide your own flaws. The key to life is this: different is merely different, not wrong or right, good or bad, simply different. Show compassion everyday to one person different from yourself and maybe this one act will free you from the binds of your own internal fears.

I think I surpassed the time frame set forth, and I get the $100.

Why thank you Holly, I will file your opinion in the appropriate place but I am really glad you came by to speak your mind. I appreciate your clearly amateur attempt to analyze me and only wish you could have been more successful.

Nanci B., You are the kind of person who shames America. You are the kind of fool that keeps us all repressed. You are the kind of spiritually empty, no, DARK human being that is a vehicle for all evil in the world to come through and poison us. And since you think boycotting is a good idea to take away from others, I plan to boycott you. From this moment on I will not open myself to your evil, poison, vicious ways. But, I will pray for you that God heals your damaged soul and restores love to you. Clearly, you have none. Now go protect your children so much that you instill in them the fear you so love, and in so doing, cripple them emotionally for the rest of their lives. Are you happy now? Why did you need to beat up on a segment of our population to feel good? You need a psychiatrist.

Built Tough
Hit It!

HOLLIE and LYNN- YOU BOTH ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT NANCI!!!!!! She is just too sad....

crammed down my throat
what an odd choice of words.

Thank you Lynn. I know I won't miss you.

I will treasure your response always bebe.

Thank you for your kind words Isabella. Don't give up your day job - you'll never make it as a writer or a psychologist - but hey, I appreciate you dropping by and attacking me in the name of Christ.

Isabella, thank you for coming back. Your comments are just so special. Drop in anytime, y'hear?

Thank you Liz. Isabella is a troll and she has latched on to me for whatever reason. This weeks wonderful comments are in retaliation for the fact that I called her on it. No big whoop.

Nanci, was this not a scene from Brokeback Mountain, where the wife was looking out the window and saw her husband kissing the other guy? (Sorry, saw the picture, which was quite unoffensive.) I just don't remember their names. For all those against Gays, this film was presented in a way that even heterosexuals could enjoy it. My husband and I had reservations about watching it, but it caught and held our attention all the way through. There was implied sex, not much kissing like the scene Nanci pointed us to, but the movie was intense and really enjoyable.


I would not be surprised that FORD supports the film because they all drive FORD trucks. lol

Nanci-What happened since I last commented? Your intent was to let people know that since Ford supported Gay rights, and strangly enough, Ford sales went down. So if there is any supporters of gay rights, and you are looking to make a new car purchase, this would be a good time to consider Ford.. How did that go to you being hateful?

I think people are looking in their warped mirrors again for sure Nanci.

I understand what you meant, and I support your right to your view, and I saw no offensive intent on your part

Personally I drive a Mazda and a Jeep, no Fords for me!! Been there done that!!

A friend of mine works at WalMart Headquarters here in Bentonville, she told me the reason WalMart lost $$ in November was NOT because of the gay issue, but rather they discontinued "layaway".

Hey ford owners have a real claim to fame-10% of their vehicles are home and the other 90% are still on the hihgway



broken down

hahaha-lol

But hey each to their own

Gm or Toyota only for me

Nanci,

I have 'reported' (flagged) this article because of the comments made within this thread by Isabella - the one and only Troll - Chambers. I feel that her comments are a violation of Gather's Community Guidelines.

"Nanci, you are obviously a repressed lesbian sadomasochist. I bet you have to try really hard not to think about your mother when you masturbate. It's too bad you were raised without love or kindness, and now you pervert true Christianity by using it only as a weapon but ignore everything that Christ taught about love. Whether you know it or not, Lynn is right about you. You are truly one of the most disgusting and pathetic people I have ever encountered. I've worked with schizophrenics who made more sense than you are. Why do you work so hard to make an ugly caricature of yourself? Is this the best Jesus can do with you?"

and

"HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You only proved my point, and it's nice that Jesus finally did something worth a hades for your sorry excuse for a soul. You are one funny repressed mama masturbating old worn out bird. Unlike you, I can do anything I set my mind to and - surprise squawk box - I am quite successful. That would be why you don't see my posts all day and all night like yours. Good luck with the pursuit of alimony when your husband leaves you for someone who knows what it means to love. Unless, he's as much of a dried up old sea hag as you are. Of course, I should bow down to your clear and present brilliance. Obviously, you are an authority on the world of occupations, at least on Gather. You've obviously passed middle age, but you still think you have a chance at winning a star role on Mean Girls the tv show. But, just so you know, I'm blissfully employed and wouldn't dream of quitting my job. What exactly do you do with your days? How's hate mongering going for you?"

My fiance and I both drive Fords AND support gay rights. Coincidence?

As those of us who live in Michigan KNOW first hand, the source of GM and Ford's problems have nothing to do with any support or lack thereof for gay rights.

I appreciate everyone's comments. Thank you.

I don't know June - we never saw Brokeback Mountain. Although we probably wouldn't see it anyway, even if it was a heterosexual love story, it has been years since we have gone to the movies and I rarely watch them at all anymore.

As those of you who have come to know me have seen, I have strongly held opinions and I mostly enjoy the debate. It is the way that I learn what the "other side" is thinking and either hone or, occasionally {{{GASP}}}, modify my own thoughts. Sometimes things go a little over the top and occasionally I retort in kind. I am trying so hard not to though - that's a character flaw I am trying to work through - which is why I am trying to simply thank people who attack me instead of argue back. I believe that is the right thing to do.

Oh - but don't expect me to roll over and play dead. that would be too much stress on my heart!

Nanci, Brokeback Mountain was on HBO. I would not have gone to a Theatre to see it, nor would I have rented it. However, I started watching it with the intent to switch channels but my husband and I both got involved and watched it all the way through.



I think most people know and understand my views on the GLBT issues. I agree with their rights EXCEPT for marriage. I think they should have some contract they can sign to make the legal rights that are shared in a Marriage contract. I, personally, believe marriage is for a male and female and it is a sacred covenent between them. Other than that I have no problems with the GLBT community.

But it's was a LOVE story June. You might catch me watching a mystery or a comedy if I were desparate for something to do but never, ever a love story.

Hey TJ, Leave my Chevy out of this...It never did anything to you...gosh, now he is all sad, cause he thinks you are picking on him....lol

We do have to seriously stop using the made in America slogan when many items that we consider American made are made elsewhere, while items We consider japanese, etc. are actually made in the U.S.

Now stop picking on my chevy...

Karen, I appreciate your comments. I thought free expression was one of our rights but apparently that only works if you are in agreement with the left. The right doesn't get that right.

Good point TJ.

Be gentle on the Chevy Randy. You nver know when it might fight back.

I don't think sex whether heterosexual or homosexual should be used to sell products unless the product has something directly related to sex, in which case it shouldn't be advertised at all. Nanci your article is easily misread as condemning Ford -- I suggest better formatting in the future.