Saddam's gonna swing

I wish they'd give him the opportunity to spill the beans on Poppy before it happens. I'd love to see some of the ugly truth about the Bush crime family make it's way out.

Anyway, this will undoubtedly be just the spark necessary to ignite all of Iraq (and possibly the entire middle east region) into an all-out civil war that even the likes of Bill-O couldn't deny, which will, of course, necessitate the escalation of more US troops into the region, which will, of course, bring about yet more chaos and death, which will, of course, sustain Cheerleader Georgie's "war president' status just about long enough to carry him through to the end of his disastrous presidency, so that he can had his pretty little Vietnam off to the next sucker.

Hugh is an idiot. Don't pay any attention to anything he says. He has nothing constructive to offer to any discussion at any time. He's a fool. Oh, and a republican, in case you couldn't tell.

I feel that Osama bin Laden should be hanged alongside Saddam......How did we go from Looking for Osama to this whole Saddam thing?

Hang him high! and let him swing. We will probably see a little reaction to it in the sunni triangle that will be over hyped by the media as they are already salivating over the prospects of it. Then things will return to normal, that is to say, total anarchy.

Poor Saddam thought that Rumsfeld was going to be there.
He'd heard the last theing he'd ever feel was a big jerk at the other end of the rope.

How did we go from Looking for Osama to this whole Saddam thing?

Pretty simple Victoria, when US troops moved into Baghdad, they apprehended a whole list of terrorists, among them was Abu Abbas, a terrorist who murdered an American named Leon Klinghoffer during the hijacking of the Achille Lauro Cruise ship.

By the way Leon Klinghoffer was in a wheel chair when he was killed. His body and his wheel chair were tossed over board.

So many on the left try to deny Saddam's role in terror and the murder of Americans as well as Europeans.

The sad truth is that the left simply cannot bring itself to admit that terror is a bad thing.

"I feel that Osama bin Laden should be hanged alongside Saddam"

Yeah, one would think, huh? Unfortunately, cheerleader Georgie only used his best friend Osama to launch his illegal war against Iraq, and then couldn't be bothered with him. It wouldn't serve the war profiteers to capture America's #1 enemy. As long as Osama roams freely, the war machine continues to churn at full speed.

"among them was Abu Abbas"

Yes, he was another of the terrorists that Raygun refused to round up and haul to justice, wasn't he? Thank God, for Georgie's illegal war in Iraq, to cover up for one of Rancid Ronnie's many colossal failures.




"So many on the left try to deny Saddam's role in terror and the murder of Americans as well as Europeans."

Among them is Cheerleader Georgie himself, who has publicly admitted that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Go figure. Saddam had no known terrorist links. He despised fundies and had no use for their radicalism. In fact, he saw it as a threat to his leadership. He'd have had to have been a suicidal lunatic to embrace terrorism.




"The sad truth is that the left simply cannot bring itself to admit that terror is a bad thing. "

Actually, it seems that it's ONLY the left who's aware of this. The left that I'm aware of was and still is incensed that Booshie boy diverted his attention from the war on terror in order to launch his unending, illegal, unnecessary war for profit in Iraq. If only he'd have allowed the military to stay focused, we'd have undoubtedly destroyed al Qaeda and brought Bin Laden to justice by now. Oh, and we also might have actually done something to enhance our national security here, such as border and port security, for instance.

It leaves me feeling very scared. My husband is Army and his number could be called any day. I'm affraid after we kill him that all hell will break out even worse then it has allready. I'm scared not only for my family but for all the soliders all ready over there. I don't think alot of people are thinking about that aspect of it.

Me too, Natalie. I'm not sure why, but it makes me afraid and sick at the same time. I will keep all our military troops in my prayers

Actually along with Abu Abbas, Zarqawi was already in Iraq...but I do agree that Saddam was not a 'zealot' to be placed in the ranks of Al Quada. He did however pay the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, which would have to fall into 'supporting terrorists'.

Now back to Saddam not being a Zealot...how can those who claim he was not, now infer that he will become a 'martyr'...Since he was more of a tyrannical 'secularist', do you really believe that the fundamentalists are going to put him in that light?

"Zarqawi was already in Iraq"

He was in the northern "no fly zone" that was completely out of Saddam's control (and was entirely in US and British control). In fact, long before the illegal invasion, Bush had actionable intelligence that could've taken him out, but they chose not to, because it would've hurt their case for war. Instead, Bush let him roam freely, as he did with Osama, and the result was probably hundreds of dead Americans and innocent civilians. Heckuva job, Booshie.




"He did however pay the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, which would have to fall into 'supporting terrorists'."

As does Qatar to this day. When are we invading that ally? Paying living stipends to families who have no breadwinner is not "supporting terrorists." That's ridiculous.




"do you really believe that the fundamentalists are going to put him in that light? "

Sunnis are very likely to.

Thanks for the sermon CLARK!!!

Zarqawi was being assisted by the Kurds…I don't think so:
" Zarqawi was said to have received medical treatment in Baghdad in May and June of 2002 after being wounded in Afghanistan during the war. His leg was amputated, U.S. officials say, by a surgeon in Iraq. "

'Paying living stipends'
That is your definition of paying the families of suicide bombers?

" The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families since the current uprising began in September 2000."

"Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has raised the amount offered to relatives of suicide bombers from $10,000 per family to $25,000."

And that little 'Oil for Food' scheme that is often left out of discussions about whether Saddam was 'contained':

"Saddam Hussein diverted money from the U.N. oil-for-food program to pay millions of dollars to families of Palestinian suicide bombers who carried out attacks on Israel, say congressional investigators who uncovered evidence of the money trail."

Clark says:
He was in the northern "no fly zone" that was completely out of Saddam's control (and was entirely in US and British control). In fact, long before the illegal invasion, Bush had actionable intelligence that could've taken him out, but they chose not to, because it would've hurt their case for war. Instead, Bush let him roam freely, as he did with Osama, and the result was probably hundreds of dead Americans and innocent civilians. Heckuva job, Booshie."

It's funny how history is rewritten to support your irrational hatred.

Among them is Cheerleader Georgie himself, who has publicly admitted that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Go figure. Saddam had no known terrorist links. He despised fundies and had no use for their radicalism. In fact, he saw it as a threat to his leadership. He'd have had to have been a suicidal lunatic to embrace terrorism.

Lie #1) "Cheerleader Georgie himself, who has publicly admitted that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11".

Lie #2) "Saddam had no known terrorist links."

Lie #3) "He despised fundies and had no use for their radicalism."

Congratulations......the "hat trick" in a single paragraph.


1) The hysterical left created the myth that the administration claimed Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attacks. The purpose of this lie was to be able to refute something that was never said.

2) Saddam's very public financing of suicide bombers, hosting terrorists conferences (inviting Al Qaeda's #2 man) as well as providing sanctuary to Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas and a host of other terrorist groups.....shatter this lie.

3) To the contrary......a number of authoritative sources, I will cite the book The Fall Of Baghdad by Jon Lee Anderson provide volumes of information regarding Saddam's catering to extremist Sunni Islamic groups. By the time of the U.S. invasion Baghdad was chuck full of Islamic extremist groups......(who routinely shot at each other and engaged in gun battles with the Shiite militias).

Unfortunately, what went around will come around ten-fold.

"Zarqawi was being assisted by the Kurds…I don't think so:"

Take a little gander at who presented this story, and you may wish to rethink giving it so much credibility.

"His leg was amputated, U.S. officials say, by a surgeon in Iraq. "

"U.S. officials say?" Aren't those the same people that said that Saddam caused 9/11, and had stockpiles of WMD ready to drop on our heads at a moment's notice? Yeah, I thought so.

You might wish to try something a bit more credible next time. Such as this, for instance...
http://www.antiwar.com/pena/?articleid=8145




"'Paying living stipends'
That is your definition of paying the families of suicide bombers?"

Oooopsies...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml

Like I said, our allies are doing the same thing, even now. When are we invading them?




"And that little 'Oil for Food' scheme that is often left out of discussions about whether Saddam was 'contained':"

So, THIS is now your justification for the illegal war and occupation, and the ensuring chaos? What about all of those other nations and corporations that were scamming that program? When do we invade and occupy the Carlyle Group?
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/27792/




"It's funny how history is rewritten to support your irrational hatred. "

Right, genius. You really got me there. You provided JUST enough "proof" to shut me down, didn't you? Not hardly. Fool. Thanks for playing, though.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_04/008718.php

"ZARQAWI STORY CONFIRMED....Two years ago, Jim Miklaszewski of NBC News reported that a few months after 9/11 the Pentagon drafted multiple plans to hit the camp of Abu Musab Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda terrorist who had taken up residence in Iraq's northern no-fly zone, outside Saddam Hussein's control. George Bush, however, refused to authorize a military strike."

"Lie #1) "Cheerleader Georgie himself, who has publicly admitted that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11". "

Ooopsies...swing and a miss
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm




"Lie #2) "Saddam had no known terrorist links.""

Ooopsies...strike two
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/15474492.htm




"Lie #3) "He despised fundies and had no use for their radicalism.""

Ooopsies...sorry whiffer, but you're out. I thank you for playing as well, however.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/07/28/094036.php



Lie #1

"1) The hysterical left created the myth that the administration claimed Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attacks. The purpose of this lie was to be able to refute something that was never said."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3070241&p1=0




Lie #2

"2) Saddam's very public financing of suicide bombers, hosting terrorists conferences (inviting Al Qaeda's #2 man) as well as providing sanctuary to Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas and a host of other terrorist groups.....shatter this lie."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz3.html

There was simply no link between Saddam and terrorist groups. Sorry. He DID provide living stipends to the surviving members of Hamas attackers, as do US allies to this day. Hardly a "link to terrorist groups," or we'd surely be attackign Qatar by now, wouldn't we?




Lie #3

"3) To the contrary......a number of authoritative sources, I will cite the book The Fall Of Baghdad by Jon Lee Anderson provide volumes of information regarding Saddam's catering to extremist Sunni Islamic groups. By the time of the U.S. invasion Baghdad was chuck full of Islamic extremist groups......(who routinely shot at each other and engaged in gun battles with the Shiite militias). "

He was a secular ruler. Sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

"Unfortunately, what went around will come around ten-fold. "

You are 110% correct. This is something that the Bush worshippers and pro-death/war cabal will never, ever understand.

Whoa...this thread sure took off, didn't it?

As for my own thoughts, I don't think Saddam's hanging will have much of an impact at all. We all knew this was coming, and the people out there still setting off bombs and killing civilians will keep on.

If they want to have him hang, let 'em swing. It doesn't matter, and no need to walk on eggshells. Any excuse for violence will do, so if it wasn't this, it would be something else. I won't lose any sleep over it.

Credibility?: 'http://www.antiwar.com/pena/?articleid=8145'

Don't believe I will find it there...So can I take it that any articles/facts I provide will be placed into the 'W lied' category no matter how true they actually are? I know this story had been substantiated since that CNN article, but if that is the game you are going to play then it is hard to debate....


"Charities from Saudi Arabia and Qatar — both U.S. allies — pay money to families of Palestinians killed in the fighting, including suicide bombers" Charities, not the governments or leaders themselves, at least not publicly…see the difference?

'So, THIS is now your justification for the illegal war and occupation, and the ensuring chaos?'

Not at all…this is a counter argument to the Saddam was 'contained or just the 'mayor of Baghdad'…Also the reasons our 'allies' France and Russia never had any intentions of holding his feet to the fire over broken UN resolutions…Or ways in which a 'corrupt' UN were/are - unwilling/unable to accomplish anything….that is my justification for those things :)

clark, I have no desire to "shut you down" I get too many laughs from your ranting rewrites of history. Rant on!

Lie #1)

"Ooopsies...swing and a miss
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm"

Clark, you need to read your own sources.

Your link begins

Mr Bush has never directly accused the former Iraqi leader of having a hand in the attacks on New York and Washington

Lie #2) "Saddam had no known terrorist links."

Scroll down on this site to view the canceled checks and accounting journal entries. http://www.husseinandterror.com/

Lie #3) He was a secular ruler. Sorry.

From The New Yorker

"It was gradual, starting the moment he decided on the invasion of Kuwait," in June of 1990, according to Amatzia Baram, an Iraq expert at the University of Haifa. "His calculation was that he needed people in Iraq and the Arab world—as well as God—to be on his side when he invaded. After he invaded, the Islamic rhetorical style became overwhelming"—so overwhelming, Baram continued, that a radical group in Jordan began calling Saddam "the New Caliph Marching from the East." This conversion, cynical though it may be, has opened doors to Saddam in the fundamentalist world. He is now a prime supporter of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and of Hamas, paying families of suicide bombers ten thousand dollars in exchange for their sons' martyrdom. This is part of Saddam's attempt to harness the power of Islamic extremism and direct it against his enemies.

I think that New Yorker article needs repeating.

- This conversion, cynical though it may be, has opened doors to Saddam in the fundamentalist world.

- He is now a prime supporter of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and of Hamas, paying families of suicide bombers ten thousand dollars in exchange for their sons' martyrdom.

- This is part of Saddam's attempt to harness the power of Islamic extremism and direct it against his enemies.

I think there a few folks in over their heads in this comment section.

(Go Clark!)

Your right Lori, Clark is way over his head and should go spend some time researching these issues.

She has to cheer him on, the only way he can get his head back above water....