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by Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D.
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August 1, 2006

A Sacrilegious History Lesson

November 19, 2006 05:21 PM EST (Updated: November 22, 2006 04:33 PM EST)
views: 515 | rating: 7.7/10 (55 votes) | comments: 246

    Of all the hundreds of variations in Biblical content, there is one glaring mistranslation that has had the most profound effect on the most people over the longest period of time.  This is the meaning of the Greek word "parthenos". 

    In both the ancient and modern language, this word means "maiden", or "unmarried girl".  It does not specifically mean "virgin". Although common mores would probably lead to an expectation of chastity in a nubile girl, there was no guarantee then, anymore than there is now, that a young woman would retain her virginity until marriage.

    So we see that the whole story of the ghostly insemination of Mary, leading to the "virgin" birth of Jesus, is based on nothing more than one translator's interpretation of the Latin, then English, word for "parthenos".  The original text simply referred to Mary as "an unmarried girl", which she was at the time, although apparently sleeping with Joseph, or maybe some other horny village kid.

     Don't you find it incredible that two billion people base an entire belief system, and in some cases, their whole lives, on this one little hiccup?   A universal mythos has been built on it, millions of people have been slaughtered because of it, trillions of dollars have been made on it, virtually every aspect of every life on the planet has been affected by it.  And all because a couple of kids in a Jewish community called Nazareth decided to have a little premarital roll in the hay.

   If the truth be told, I think this would be it:  After some sneaky shtupping in the fields, Mary found herself thoroughly knocked up.  Knowing that no nice Jewish girl could remain in the village in that condition, without suffering severe shame and probable banishment, the couple decided to cut their losses and arranged for a hasty elopement, sans rabbi, chupah or hora-dancing.

    They wandered the countryside, hitching rides and taking odd jobs for food until Mary went into labor when they arrived at Bethlehem. They tried to check into the Best Mideastern Inn, but because they weren't married, the tightass desk clerk refused them a room and they were forced to bed down out in the stable, where Mary gave birth to a boy.  Nobody knows how long she was in labor, nor who actually delivered the baby; however, if we believe the Genesis story, one has to wonder, in light of God's curse upon Eve that "in pain shall ye bring forth children" how many hours of kvetching the poor kid had to endure before delivering a son.

    After the birth, the couple finally legalized their union, but realized that as soon as they got home, people would start counting on their fingers, so they needed to devise a good cover story.

They did this by enlisting the aid of the local Mensa chapter, comprised of a group of well-educated mystics called "Magi" (add a "c" for a fuller picture of their talents). 

    Current translations say there were three of them, but there might have been as many as twelve. Whatever their number, they concocted a story so outrageous, it was impossible to refute.  They threw the new parents a baby shower (myrrh, gold and incense, but no Diaper Genie).  Then, to add veracity to their tale, they launched an amazing PR campaign to fill in the details.  They chronicled a new star in the East, broadcast a story of a girl giving birth without having had sex, and declared that the baby must surely be the son of God, because who else could be born from an unfertilized egg?

    The fact is, if the ovum actually did start to split without benefit of a spermatozoon poke, as in the experiment performed on frog eggs in every Bio 101 class, the resulting offspring would have been female, lacking a Y chromosome.  So, either Jesus was a girl, or those Magi dudes were superb spin doctors.

    In any case, the story spread, was told and retold so many times it became "truth".  (We all know how that happens...see "Hitler, A" and "Bush, G.W.).  And here we are, some 2000 years later, still telling and believing it, still shedding blood over it, still capitalizing on it, still swallowing a completely irrational premise based on an unknown writer's editorial error.   Now, don't you feel silly?

    Ho Ho Ho.

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Comments: 246

Andy B. Nov 19, 2006, 5:39pm EST
VERY interesting Dame Ruth!
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 19, 2006, 5:57pm EST
I agree with Steve, ten stars are not enough for this beauty. Maybe you can republish it a couple of times so I can give you twenty more? Ruth, I will forever be grateful to you for delivering the truth, in such a way as to make it totally painless.
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Madame Donna C. Nov 19, 2006, 6:04pm EST
This is fantastic. Quite an entertaining piece of writing, Dame Ruth!
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 19, 2006, 6:05pm EST
Brilliant is an understatement. This would be quite welcome in Grinning Toothless Hags.
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☀ Aunt Shanny Nov 19, 2006, 6:14pm EST
Can I come back several times to give tens????

One of the best articles I have seen on gather- but then blasphemy is always near and dear to my heart.
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Z A C. Nov 19, 2006, 6:15pm EST
Salut oh wise one, couldn't resist this post!

Two things;

In the days of (ancient) yore, Greek girls were ravished as soon as they became pubescent. It was expected and done, particularly with those 'chosen' ones who were schooled at the same sites as their young male counterparts, equally as 'chosen' - does that not ring 'Arian' bells?

The Eastern star at the specified period, not midwinter as we know, that timing is superimposed upon a pagan festival (another blog there for you Ruth) has been, as I recall, located in astronomical history to about September of AD

I love your rendering of a human story. If diapers had been invented then, with all the stuff that goes into manufacturing them, the rest of the shower wouldn't have been needed. G,F & M would have been peanuts to M & J, together with whatever else they would have gained for the globalised sales. Can you imagine the merchant sailing ships casting off, selling their diaper wares around the Mediterranean with ease. Pirating would have taken on new meaning. (I wonder what Johnny Dep would have done with a booty full of diapers; he'd have had real difficulty putting safely into port to sell them, he would have stood out like a sore bum/butt!)
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 19, 2006, 6:24pm EST
Sandy. your tushiemunching has never been better nor more succinct. I am forever grateful to you for your gratitude to me. Feel free to republish as often as you like.
Stevo, recent research shows that spin doctoring goes back to the Big Bang, when gravity was invented to control rampant spinning.
Amelie, always nice to meet another sceptic.
Andy, if you think this is interesting, wait till you read my take on...well, everything. I'm positively bursting with "interesting". Just ask Sandy.
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Nancy S. Nov 19, 2006, 6:51pm EST
This is the best, THE BEST, thing I have read in ages. You made me laugh out loud in several spots.

I suspect you will get some vehement responses from the 'other' side, but that will not for a moment negate the brilliance of this piece! And I am not tushiemunching or syco-panting. Truly.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 19, 2006, 6:58pm EST
Me again. Just felt this deserved yet another comment, no matter how inane that comment might be.
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~~:<~Ste. Joan & Special Sauce~~:<~ Nov 19, 2006, 6:58pm EST
And people think Scientology is weird? Dame, I never realized that Joseph and Mary were actually just a couple of hippie kids on the road. My sides are hurting a little. And I enjoyed the writing very much. This is beyond the usual caliber of munch material and you deserve much more than a mere butt kiss.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 19, 2006, 7:09pm EST
I have to be honest, for a few seconds I was not sure I could accept this in Psychopants and Tushiemunchers. I did not want anyone to think for a second that I was kissing up with my compliments. This truly is beyond brilliant. I am not saying that because I am Ruth's pimp. I truly mean it.

Great point, Joan - and people think Scientology is weird??
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 19, 2006, 7:35pm EST
I was a bit hesitant to post it to P&TM, too, Sandy, but that's where all my favorite people congregate, so I wanted to share with them first. I'd be glad to spread it around, but I need you to do some link-pimping for me (I still don't know how to do that) to whatever other groups you think might enjoy it. Thanks again, honeybunch.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 19, 2006, 7:41pm EST
Grinning Toothless Hags

There ya go...
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 19, 2006, 7:46pm EST
Thanks Lori.. done. Anyone else have a place for this?
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Madame Donna C. Nov 19, 2006, 7:55pm EST
I liked this so much I had to come back and read it again, then it occured to me to print it, duh.
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Auntie Smedley Nov 19, 2006, 8:00pm EST
Dame, I so prefer your interpretation of these events to the bible-thumper version, because to me it has the ring of truth. But heck, everyone knows that you tell it like is!
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 19, 2006, 8:40pm EST
As an excuse to leave yet another comment on this masterpiece, I will state that I have (for what it's worth) featured this on Hags.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 19, 2006, 8:58pm EST
Lori, I hereby nominate you as my offensive quarterback pimp. Sandy, of course, plays defense for the team, and I must say you both deserve the Heinies Award. Really. I love you both equally, but maybe one just a little more than the other.
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Any resemblance to similar posts, past or future, is completely coincidental. Management is not responsible. For anything.
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Janet H. Nov 19, 2006, 10:19pm EST
Your story doesn't follow the Bible. According to the Bible, the magis or kings didn't bring gifts to Jesus until he was a toddler, probably around 2 years old. By that time he was living in a house with his parents.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 19, 2006, 11:47pm EST
And I have featured it in Psychopants and Tushiemunchers. I hope you will add a picture soon, so the editorial staff will consider it for their pick.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 19, 2006, 11:49pm EST
And Biff. We need a picture of Christ's Childhood Pal too, yanno.
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Madame Donna C. Nov 20, 2006, 12:28am EST
Dame Ruth, I'm offended that you overlooked me but that in no way dimishes my esteem for your opinion.
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♯ ♪ Nov 20, 2006, 8:49am EST
Gosh, Dame Ruth, now I am crushed. I thought Jesus fell out of the sky right into the manger, not even passing through Mary's birth canal. Now you're intimating there's all this intrigue and spin doctoring. I don't think I'll ever be the same again. *sniff sniff*

Great piece, by the way.
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Parke F. Nov 20, 2006, 10:09am EST
I'm going to play the humorless devil's advocate, here: You say that the virgin birth is a myth based on a critical mistranslation of one word in the Bible, a mistranslation which, you argue, invalidates the traditional Christian idea of Mary as "ever virgin." And yet you provide no scholarly evidence - you cite no source - to back up your argument. So... am I really supposed to chuck my rosary beads based on the psychopantic, tushiemunching writings of one (albeit distinguised) Gatherer?
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Parke F. Nov 20, 2006, 10:30am EST
Just askin'.
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charles thiesen - gather's only god, proud to be from gay-supporting Massachusetts Nov 20, 2006, 2:56pm EST
I love sacrilege. This is great.

A little weak scholarship to support it: The Gospels were written roughly forty to sixty years after the death of Jesus. They depict the life of Jesus as having fulfilled ancient prophesies. Believers accept that they depict this because it was the case. The rest of us assume that it was a clever spin job.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 20, 2006, 3:04pm EST
Okay *takes deep breath*.. first things first:
Donna: my deep apologies for overlooking your cogent comment. Here's a belated {{{smooch}}}}
Joanne: I'm sorry to have caused such disillusion, but you're old enough to know the truth. By the way, you do know about Santa Claus, right?
Parke: I didn't make this up. There is documentation by the book-ful (in fact, the Discovery Channel did an entire program on this topic awhile back). If you're really interested in my sources, try doing a little research of your own. I've been there and done that, and don't have the patience or desire to revisit those particular areas.
Bongo: This may help answer some of your questions (although it doesn't explain P&TM): http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac66
Sandy: If someone can tell me how to download a picture to a comment box, I have found several that will also address Janet's comment.
Janet: If this factoid is correct, I think you need to inform every museum that displays paintings of the NEWBORN Jesus being adored by the Magi, every nativity play that uses an infant to portray him and everyone whose creche features a baby doll surrounded by three kings that they are WRONG! By the way, do you happen to have the address of that house? I'm sure it would be of great interest to historians.
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Parke F. Nov 20, 2006, 3:22pm EST
"Parke: I didn't make this up. There is documentation by the book-ful (in fact, the Discovery Channel did an entire program on this topic awhile back). If you're really interested in my sources, try doing a little research of your own. I've been there and done that, and don't have the patience or desire to revisit those particular areas."

Well, Dame Ruth, I'm a little stunned by that. I wasn't accusing you of making things up (I said I was playing "devil's advocate"), but I would have hoped that "Sacriligeous but Factual" included some actual... well... facts.

Good luck convincing folks to abandon 2,000 years of religious tradition based on a half-remembered Discovery Channel show, however. If nothing else, I admire your chutzpah.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 20, 2006, 3:29pm EST
I might add to Janet... you simply cannot hold the bible up as proof of anything, anyway. As Charles said, the damn thing was written half a century after the supposed event, and written by people. People are fallible, especially their memories. Then, on top of that, a select very few people with blatant agendas picked which of the stories they wanted included in the final book, tossing out any that disagreed with their agenda.

Pluuuuus many of the tales attributed to JC were actually stolen from earlier fables. IE the whole resurection tale happened to some Egyptian king or other waaaay before Joseph and Mary were even sparks in their parent's eyes...

But as Dame has said: It is all out there and rather easy to find should you iwsh to know.
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Parke F. Nov 20, 2006, 4:41pm EST
Bongo, I don't get what you're trying to say.
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Kevin Weeks Nov 20, 2006, 4:46pm EST
Milady,
Nicely done!

Lori,
> And Biff. We need a picture of Christ's Childhood Pal too, yanno.

Absolutely! I figure he looks a lot like Ben Stiller.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 20, 2006, 4:51pm EST
Thanks, Bongo. I had toyed with the idea of pointing Parke to some source material, but I realized it would be a waste of time. I suspect he is one of the "true believers" who dwell under the opaque blanket of self-imposed ignorance they call "faith". No amount of evidence, logic or even common sense will sway them, so why bother? Let 'em live in their fact-free zone, huddled together, waiting for the rupture..er... rapture. I'll be taking a nap.
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Parke F. Nov 20, 2006, 5:21pm EST
Well, Dame Ruth, none of the comments I made above were based on my personal beliefs. If you don't believe me, please see my articles "I am not a nutjob" and "Are YOU a nutjob?" for clarification.
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Diane White Nov 20, 2006, 6:54pm EST
These Gods always seem to. emerge from some improbable place. Remember Athena and Zeus's noggin?
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All done here Nov 20, 2006, 7:09pm EST
Where do bad folks go when they die
They don't go to heaven where the angels fly
Go to a lake of fire and fry
Don't see them again 'till the Fourth of July


{Lake of fire by Nirvana
--Originally by The Meat Puppets}
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 9:15pm EST
(I can't believe I'm the first to have the honor of telling our "You're Mutilating the English Language" maven that she misspelled sacrilegious. I'm bursting with joy.)

Now I'll go read the article. After I spell-check my comment 20X.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 20, 2006, 9:34pm EST
Why Jackie... whatEVER are you talking about?
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 10:50pm EST
REVISIONIST GRAMMARIAN! TROLL!
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All done here Nov 20, 2006, 10:53pm EST
Ever been smoking a cigarette and think to yourself " God, I sure could use a cigarette"
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 10:58pm EST
No, but sometimes I finish one and think, "That was so damn good- I think I'll have another!"

'Twas a good article, Ruth. Pretty much sums up my reaction to the whole virgin birth thing. When I was pregnant, no one wanted to hear my stories about how I was a virgin; I don't know why anyone would believe Mary...
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All done here Nov 20, 2006, 11:09pm EST
Playskool Little People don't get pregnant. They get injection molded.
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 11:18pm EST
Playskool??? I'm Fisher-Price, lowly Weeble. You're Playskool. Don't try to drag me down to your level...
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All done here Nov 20, 2006, 11:30pm EST
Oh gee. Guess i was living in my fantasy world again where you and I are artfully crafted together on the same assembly line, of the same warm batch of liquid plastic. Alas, my dreams are once again crushed. sigh
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 20, 2006, 11:30pm EST
Now, now children. No fighting on this exalted topic thread. We're talkin' Jesus here, for chrissake! Besides, if you don't behave yourselves, neither Fisher-Price nor Playskool will bring you anything for Xmas, and nobody wants that to happen. So say you're sorry and give each other a great big hug. Theeeere you go!
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 11:48pm EST
But wait, Mr. Sadler, I have a lighter! We can be as one!

Ruth, you're a Jewish Atheist. You can't threaten me with xmas!
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 11:51pm EST
(ha ha, still spelled sacrilegious wrong)
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 11:51pm EST
(Which means I'm a better atheist than you)
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Jackie L. Nov 20, 2006, 11:52pm EST
(Here, have some more points!)
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Nov 21, 2006, 12:00am EST
Sheesh... for a little plastic doll, you sure are a smartass. Anything else you want to embarrass me with? (yeah... two r's and two s's.. look it up, smartass). P.S. thanks for the extra points. * mumble grumble smartass kids everywhere you look these days hmph grmp*
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Jackie L. Nov 21, 2006, 12:03am EST
(Huff!) I'm not a doll, I'm an action figure! (STOMP STOMP STOMP SLAM)
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 12:03am EST
Dame, it's her smart-ass brains that I love so. That and the yellow pigtails and white frilly collar.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 12:10am EST
Ruth, just be glad she didn't change it to Zacrilegiouz. Would that be double?
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Jackie L. Nov 21, 2006, 12:12am EST
Ruth is just jealous of our True Gather Love.
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Travis B. Nov 21, 2006, 12:13am EST
R. Scott what about the big hole?
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charles thiesen - gather's only god, proud to be from gay-supporting Massachusetts Nov 21, 2006, 12:13am EST
The scary thing about Chrstianity - wait, we were talking about Christianity at some point, right? Something put that bee in my bonnet - the scary thing is how many Christians worship a god who condemns everyone who doesn't worship it to eternal torture, even those who never heard of it. Even if I beleived in such a god, I wouldn't worship it.

(Boy am I screwed if I'm wrong and they're right.)
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 12:20am EST
Travis B. - You're just being negative. Where you see a big hole, I see a big opportunity.

Charles - Quit trying to get us back on topic. It's just soooo annoying. Jesus-Christ, man!
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David Rochester Nov 21, 2006, 12:22am EST
I don't know what the hell difference it makes to Christians or to anyone else if Mary was a virgin. The only thing that matters is that there was like this cool weird dude who was a great public speaker and who embraced the scum of society and had some great ideas about peace and love and shit and so his own people nailed him up because he was obnoxious.

If that's not a transdenominational lesson for the ages, I don't know what is. Virginity, forsooth.
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Werner V. Nov 21, 2006, 12:27am EST
You can have this point in exchange for your soul.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 21, 2006, 12:29am EST
I forget who I was worshipping a minute ago, but now I am most definately worshipping David.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 12:34am EST
But what's your point. I don't worship Mary.
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Travis B. Nov 21, 2006, 12:45am EST
'Where you see a big hole, I see a big opportunity. "

LOL R. Scott...wootage! on best comment EVER..as far as we know..
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Jackie L. Nov 21, 2006, 12:48am EST
I'll thank you boys kindly to stop discussing my hole.
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Pearl 2 Nov 21, 2006, 12:50am EST
Dame Ruth...

WOW! Stunning article!

Wow...

(I am starry-eyed... Can I be your Lady-in-waiting or whatever it is you need to hold your train and your hanky?)

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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 12:52am EST
Yeah Travis! Give my lady some respect, please!
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~~:<~Ste. Joan & Special Sauce~~:<~ Nov 21, 2006, 12:53am EST
I saw God. He was on the Sistene Chapel ceiling. I thought he was pretty hot: big, muscular, with thick juicy thighs. Kindof like Lori's husband, Lars. I wouldn't mind him commanding me around for a while, let me tell you. Oh wait, I think that was Adam. Nevermind.
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Werner V. Nov 21, 2006, 12:55am EST
That's a good point.
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~~:<~Ste. Joan & Special Sauce~~:<~ Nov 21, 2006, 12:55am EST
Sistine, damnit.
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James s F. Nov 21, 2006, 12:56am EST
Nothing thinks like a dame...
The statue of Moses in the vatican (seated and holding the stone tablets) has horns growing up out of his forehead.

For two hundred years a mistanslation of 'horns of light came forth from his brow' had existed. So Michaelangelo (I think it was) carved the Moses he knew from the Bible.

Today's modern versions translated this as 'beams of light came forth from his brow.'

But maybe it was horns?

For DeMill and Heston it was streaks of white hair.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 12:59am EST
JC is still the most awesome dude that ever walked the earth. You can't convince me otherwise. I saw Jesus Christ Superstar.
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Pearl 2 Nov 21, 2006, 1:02am EST
I just re-read this... I think I'm printing it and sending it out to my previous priest :-)

To Parke: If you want scholarly evidence you might want to check out the writings of Bishop John Shelby Spong. He wrote about Mary in the Gospel —

Paul, writing between 50-64, never mentions the Virgin. Jesus' birth was quite normal, he says, adding he "was born of a woman, born under the law;" that he had a brother named James; and was descended from King David "according to the flesh."

In Mark, the first gospel, the mother of Jesus is referred to only once and that by a stranger who shouts: "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary?" Mark also portrays the mother of Jesus as believing him to be "beside himself," or out of his mind, so she goes to take him away.

Mary does not become a virgin until Matthew writes, and she appears to cease being one when John writes. Yet in history she becomes not just a virgin mother, but a perpetual virgin, a postpartum virgin, one who is immaculately conceived and bodily assumed into heaven. No vision is ever seen of the Mary of the New Testament, it is always the Mary of Christian tradition. When this is augmented by the fact that no non-believer as well as no Buddhist or Muslim ever sees the Virgin, subjectivity is obvious.


Mary is the "church's later portrait, drawn from developed cultural imagination".

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Travis B. Nov 21, 2006, 1:04am EST
R. Scott , he was a sight naughty in The last Temptation as well...
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Werner V. Nov 21, 2006, 1:06am EST
Pearl4U, you cannot become a virgin. Something is not right here. I can't quite put my finger on it.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 1:08am EST
Still, it's no scar on JC. He's one bad mutha. And have any of you seen him play l? basketball? He ain't no amateur
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Travis B. Nov 21, 2006, 1:09am EST
Dude i saw him box on South Park..I think he bit Satan's ear off!..or was that Stan's?
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 1:16am EST
I hate to get all serious here, but I like this comment Charles made: the scary thing is how many Christians worship a god who condemns everyone who doesn't worship it to eternal torture, even those who never heard of it. Even if I beleived in such a god, I wouldn't worship it.

You may now return to hole and tushie munching. I promise I won't interrupt again.

Ruth, glad to see you're still standing
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Diane White Nov 21, 2006, 1:20am EST
Wait a minute, Werner V. Isn't there plastic surgery for this re-virgining? I just came back to add a point to the score and found a Christian Scientist?

Great article and comments.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 21, 2006, 1:26am EST
Sandy, I liked that too... but then Joan got all hot over my husband and trumped it. You can post Charles as your very own quote of the day though to the group.

I have to go watch Deal or No Deal, Australian style now...
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 1:27am EST
God doesn't condemn those who don't worship Him. He just disposes of them. He made them, he can do that.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 1:28am EST
I see you liked the way Joan got all hot over your husband. I agred, that was a great comment.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 1:29am EST
Scott, I wonder if your last comment can be applied to the abortion discussion.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 1:33am EST
OK, Sandy. I'm going to play along.

My rebuttal: Mother's aren't God.


This is fun. :D
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~~:<~Ste. Joan & Special Sauce~~:<~ Nov 21, 2006, 1:43am EST
Don't tell that to my mother or you'll get a face full of pumpkin pie. ; )

I hope Parke comes back to see Pearl's comment, which was facinating. It makes me want to read something from a Bishop, which would be a virgin experience for me.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 1:45am EST
Scott, mothers make embryos.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 1:47am EST
Something really strange happened here. I made a great comment and St. Joan made a wimpy one, but they appear reversed after we sent them. Just switch out those last two, okay?
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Jackie L. Nov 21, 2006, 1:59am EST
Mothers aren't God????
I'm going to give you until the count of three to take that back.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 2:01am EST
Well, now Sandy. This could get rediculous, but; God helps mothers make embryos


Remember now. I'm playing DA, here.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 2:07am EST
My darling Jackie. I'm just playing a game with Sandy, now dear. I can take it back, but I still want to play the game
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Jackie L. Nov 21, 2006, 2:08am EST
Ooooonnnne, twwwooooooo, threeeeeeee...

If I weren't so tired, I'd smote you. Smite you? Mama go nie nies now.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 2:10am EST
Scott, I know some mothers yell, "Oh, God" when makng embryos. But not all.
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Lori (Dr Devience) Leidig Nov 21, 2006, 2:12am EST
I yell oh Thor!

But I'm a sports model, so no embryos for me.
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All done here Nov 21, 2006, 2:12am EST
As do fathers! :D
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True American Nov 21, 2006, 2:13am EST
how in the fuck did i miss this article?!?!?!? 94 comments later and i JUST NOW noticed it... damnit! I need to pay more attention. Great piece of work!
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 21, 2006, 2:16am EST
Glad to see you here, True American. Do you yell, "Oh, God?" or "Oh, Thor?"
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Jackie L. Nov 21, 2006, 2:16am EST
If people aren't yelling, "Oh God!" when making embryos... well, that's just sad.
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True American Nov 21, 2006, 2:19am EST
i like to yell " Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty!"
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True American Nov 21, 2006, 2:21am EST
you bitches need to email me or something lemme know when someone writes an article like this so I can come play with the silly christians.
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True American Nov 21, 2006, 2:24am EST
I just did a piece on Separation of Church and State, a little History lesson also. Needless to say, you cant teach a lot of these right-wing christians anything. Its like.. you try and talk to them and your discrediting the bible and whats their defense? Well they start quoting bible scriptures.. like trying to have a conversation with a retard.
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