The old order changeth,
yielding place to new.
—Tennyson, Idylls of the King
Quality content vs. fluff may be one of the ostentatious reasons for the fissures in the community, though not the sole one. There have always been serious and non-serious writings on Gather. Often frivolous writings got disproportionate attention while some gems of articles languished in anonymity.
There have also been elitist vs. non-elitist battles; not in the form of class struggles per se, but more as abrasive reactions to arrogant postures.
The old order was typically of a feudal nature. The arrival of Carl Andre upgrade and the mass induction of new members eroded the small town prominence of feudal lords and ladies. The 'points' bait, to which members had by then got fairly hooked, went askew with the misuses, defiance and disorder attendant of a burgeoning membership. The captive readership scattered helter-skelter because of temporary disorientation caused by the new interface. The new voices, already exposed to other blogging sites, asserted themselves aggressively.
The proliferation of 'non-articles' is, indeed, the problem of Gather management who have to provide the storage space for all the stuff. The expansion of membership base, the financial viability and the sustainability matrix are also management concerns. Members can further the cause of building a better Gather by fostering goodwill rather than infighting. That will ensure the retention of the pleasant diversity without endangering the viability of the platform. The quality concern can be addressed in an altogether different and ingenious manner.
Tom Gerace, while introducing third-party social book-marking tools, promised that a system upgrade that will include Gather's own tools with the ability to share contents via a technology called RSS is on the way.
While the universe, as a rule, favors mediocrity, a shareable book-marking tool can act as a bubble-sort algorithm for separating the nuggets of quality out of the mountains of mediocrity.
It will be an innocuous feature that will simply facilitate members to organize and bookmark the articles of some lasting value as per individual predilections. It is the shareable feature of the facility that will work as an unintended 'peer recommendation'. People who have less time and patience to dig into the archival heap for articles of quality and value will try to draw into the resources of known connoisseurs whose taste and judgment they trust and value. Such a system of peer recommendation will enable individual members to build their own libraries. The community interaction will increase. Though the chat-and-game articles might still make temporary splashes and steal the limelight as the 'Highest Rated' and 'Most Discussed' articles, the long term churning effect of peer recommendation will ensure the discovery and survival of writings of enduring quality.


Comments: 44
Thank you for this article. A growth problem, essentially.
As you've aptly pointed out, Dolphi, third-party tools such as Digg and del.icio.us will provide a temporary "back up" ranking system to the one in place on Gather. Another step we've taken to encourage high-quality writing is the sponsorship of Gather content series, such as the Election 2006 series. We invite the best writers on Gather to contribute actively to the group, and hope to run similar series in the future.
Do you have any suggestions for future content series? Please let me know.
Elizabeth Khoo
Gather, Inc.
Kathryn – Growing up has pleasant as well unpleasant phases. We have to take them all in our stride.
Cindy – I notice that you have been away from Gather for quite some time. I am glad that this article gives you some update from my point of view.
Edward – Thank you for your encouraging comment. I strongly feel that shareable book-marking tools will have the speed and power of "word of mouth" in spreading the information about quality content on Gather.
Elizabeth – I feel honored that you have taken note of this article. Variety is the spice of Gather. I like reading light-hearted as well as serious articles. Mostly the people over here behave in a mature way and support one another. It is inevitable that some verbal fracas breakout once in a while. It only shows the human face of the community and gives the people inhabiting this place are real.
I am glad to know that the editorial team and the management are taking proactive interest in giving a meaningful direction to Gather. As an international platform of educated and articulate people from all walks of life, Gather subserves a unique purpose in promoting global harmony and understanding.
I was surprised that the "snarky, nasty, rude and hurtful behavior had been going on long before the "newcomers" found Gather. I actually thought it started because Gather advertised in so many different places and the influx of personalities were the cause. I see now that the bickering has been going on forever. That is sad. I have been on many different sites and chat rooms and never encountered the kind of rude and sometimes obscene remarks that have occurred on this website. I suppose the ones who have been here forever, were ran off or kicked off the other sites so they settled here to continue their poisonous barbs.
Thank you for the information, and a great article.
I have been astonished by the interaction here; it is a microcosm of forced and accelerated developments, with snap judgments that would be unwise (and dismissed) in the real world (meatspace?) being accepted as fiat here. A sociologist would have a field day. I hope one is doing so even now.
You've provided a great deal of food for thought, and the comment thread that followed enlarged upon the topic nicely.
Contrary to what the "serious writers" supposed Gather to be, it is evident that Tom had always considered this a "Blog" site to be used by adults vs My Space which was set up to be used as a Teen site.
It seems that even though Tom came out and referred to the blogoshphere, that the point he was making went right over the heads of the older Gather members, referred to by you as the "old order". I guess Blog is just too ordinary for the elitist writers. Change can be good, and it has definitely put Gather on the internet map.
There's plenty of space for the fun, the mundane, the political, the religious, and the serious. But I don't think there is ever enough room in one place for mean nasty, snarky, rude, behavior towards others.
Debra W. commented Nov 5, 2006
Debra.... may I ask what you consider mean nasty, snarky, rude, behavior towards others, or are you saying you don't think there's room for anyone other than you to exhibit this behavior:
fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
hey. at least I didn't take god's name in vain, like you, you fucking fucked up sinner. more
Debra W. commented Nov 25, 2006 on LIZ RICE-SOSNE & HER IMAGINARY CHRISTIANITY
oh shit! I said fuck in my comment.
fuck, I fuckin' trashed this perfect religious holier than thou article trashing a wonderful spiritually loving kind woman named Liz. Fuck me! That was a . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 25, 2006 on LIZ RICE-SOSNE & HER IMAGINARY CHRISTIANITY
welcome back JohnA you plagiarist more
Debra W. commented Nov 25, 2006 on Borg-Mother of Gather
by ĴøĦŊ Ā, The Antichrist published on Nov 25, 2006
Time Heals, is that you sitting on Sandy's lap? more
Debra W. commented Nov 24, 2006 on NEW TO GATHER? HAVE QUESTIONS?
No Sandy, you're being snarky and cruel. not honest. You act as if your approval is gold on gather. It's NOT. Gather functions quite well without your approval. In fact, BETTER.
Praise. . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 24, 2006 on NEW TO GATHER? HAVE QUESTIONS?
You're a self promoting bitch, Sandy.
You're "little" stories contribute nothing of value to anyone and only serve to help you with something greatly needed in your personal life . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 24, 2006 on NEW TO GATHER? HAVE QUESTIONS?
Lori, quit your whining and read my comment again. What part of "and some of the people who follow her" did you get "none who admire her" from? Stop your crazy spinning you silly troll. more
Debra W. commented Nov 23, 2006 on NEW TO GATHER? HAVE QUESTIONS?
I have noticed that Sandy and some of the people who follow her from article to article NEVER contribute to anything worthwhile on gather. They NEVER support anyone who tries to contribute something worthwhile, . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 23, 2006 on NEW TO GATHER? HAVE QUESTIONS?
In the spirit of love and war, I dedicate this song to Sandy, winner of "Whine and Say Cheese" award.
I would have given you all of my heart
But theres someone whos torn it apart
And . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 23, 2006 on Design Our Own Award Program
Sandy. I still can't figure out how you claimed this "party" as your own. You're just a guest like everyone else. This article was posted in the Gatherfluff group. That's where we . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 23, 2006 on Design Our Own Award Program
Hi Lori Leidig. I see you wear your trophy on your face. You must be proud of that little appendage. heheh. more
Debra W. commented Nov 21, 2006 on Design Our Own Award Program
I want the Bitch award. I want a diamond tiarra and red roses. My trophy must be pure gold. Then and only then . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 21, 2006 on Design Our Own Award Program
I would like to start the "Biggest Old Guard Whiner" award.
and nominate Sandy.
Debra W. commented Nov 21, 2006 on Design Our Own Award Program
by terry m. published on Nov 18, 2006 |rating: 7.8 |comments:
My greatest fear is that Sandy Knauer won't have anyone to pick on.
That would mean I'd have nothing to bitch about anymore.
But . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 20, 2006 on my greatest GATHER fear....
I like showing my ass more
Debra W. commented Nov 15, 2006 on Listeners' Lounge? - LOOK AT ME! Edition
yep, Time Heals, Goddless Nancy and Dame Ruth are above harrassment. I'll bet they're so proud of their posts here. LOOK EVERYONE. SEE HOW INTELLIGENT THEY ARE. hee heee heeee. they said fluffer. . . . more
Debra W. commented Nov 13, 2006 on Amber's Fluff - A new group starting soo
Foxylady559 – I have noticed that the much promised RSS technology threads are already in place. Being involved in other activities I have not had much time to explore them. The term blogosphere need not necessarily have a negative connotation. It is a bigger world out there. What is important is the capability to disseminate and filter the content over a wider area.
Sandy – Thank you for taking time to drop by here. I value your presence. Without meaning to offend either of you, I find the exchanges between you and Debra quite amusing. Both of you are strong and take care not to escalate your personal tussle into group wars. I have an inkling that both of you may be fighting on the same front without realizing it.
Audrey – The 'points bait' is my perception. It may be simplistic. I have been here since May. I always hesitated to publish anything on Gather thinking that it is a serious writers' forum. I restricted myself mostly to commenting, which may not need the rigorous skills required of a writer. The monetary value of points is not attractive enough to make a living out of it. In six months I have earned about 2800 points which is roughly equal to the number of comments that I have made. Due to the geographical limitation I cannot encash the points in any form. The score simply gives me a rough scale to measure the volume of my activity.
However, the preoccupation with the ratings and the points in several discussions makes me feel that some members consider the points issue really seriously.
John – I appreciate your sensitivity. Thank you for pointing out the tactlessness of using the phrase 'feudal lords'. I realize it has the suggestion of a wildcard character and can point to anyone or anything. I would like to clarify that it refers to 'groupism' for subversive purposes in general and not to any one group in particular.
Jade – It is good to have an open discussion till all the points bothering anyone are clearly stated. It doesn't mean we all have to be in agreement. It doesn't mean anyone complaining need not be here.
Faith – Nothing gone wrong. The discussion is right on course, the way it is intended.
Joe – Thank you for your positive input. Staying clear of personal attacks or to remain unaffected by them is everyone's choice. I do not see cowardice in it.
Some people may have genuine problems with Gather. If there is no proper avenue to vent their grievances, they may take undesirable course.
Debra – As I said, you and Sandy add spice to the discussions. Humor is a good antidote to all ill feelings.
Indeed, there has been much change, and not all of it for the better. I've been here since the end of March and have notice more and more vacuous 'articles,' which make it harder to find quality material in the ever deepening quagmire. Nevertheless, there is a place for both - it's just that I'm weary of searching through the mindless stuff to find the gems. Ah, such is life. But all that aside, more people mean more opportunities to make real friends. And that's what gives meaning to life.
Debra – I am fascinated by your story and your Red Indian roots. Is it how the saying "Bury the hatchet" really originated? It is a very common saying; I didn't know it had a story behind it.
Moggy – I do not completely get the tang of what you say. Perhaps you mean to say that everyone who has an issue with the current identity crisis of Gather came and stated his/her opinion here.
Some have alleged that emails are in circulation cautioning members about "good" and "bad" people on Gather. If it is true, some factions are playing a serious divisive game. But members should have enough sense not to base their judgment on hearsay. Here it is an open scene like a schoolyard and one can learn many things by own observation. Somebody said you can identify people from different camps by the color of their jacket. I wish it becomes as simple as that.
I am grateful to you, Debra, for your trust in me. "Dolphi won't leave us." I understand you mean "Gather". But I am torn between certain commitments. I am looking for some fulltime occupation, which might involve a lot of commuting time. It will not be same as the present self-employment operated from home. But I like Gather, really I do.
Thank you for your never waning peaceful composure and thoughtful words. You have covered a wide swath of past, and current issues here. I agree that a content recommendation system, or a form of shared bookmarking, can alleviate some of the problems associated with locating quality content. In my opinion, the common denominator in much of the conflict on Gather appears to be a lack of tolerance. Specifically, tolerance of how others choose to enjoy the Gather service. Much of this could be addressed by Gather, Inc. by reaffirming the type of content to be published here, or 'what type of site' Gather is supposed to be. I think that this has already been done, but there are some members that hold onto a different, and perhaps antiquated, view on this.
But being a peacemaker means burying the hatchet. To have peace, offer peace - indeed, blessed are the peacemakers: and it is this which is asked of you, me and everyone. It means to love in a loveless place and this is asked in recognition not of our littleness but of our magnitude of spirit. To turn the other cheek is not beyond any of us. Indeed, it is our function to help wipe away the tears but never to add to them.
Love and blessings to you and to all.
You have exactly hit the nail on its head. Almost all the present conflicts on Gather boil down to lack of tolerance. In spite of repeated "community guidelines" and enforceable "terms of service" there are numerous and devious ways in which willful defaulters can circumvent the rules and get away. Even if one feels that systematic and organized sabotaging of the platform is going on, it is hard to pinpoint any culprit. What is needed is strong commitment, tolerance and individual responsibility from members; and careful moderation by group owners. It is best that management stay away from directly getting involved in the petty and sticky day-to-day conflicts, as they wisely do now. While continuing their present fairly responsive but unsullied interaction with the community, they can pay attention to streamlining the technical aspects of the platform.
A large membership base is needed for the strong representation and for the financial viability of the platform, which inevitably means diversity and varying levels of sophistication in the content.
Debra – I feel Gather suits my type because of several reasons. Strangely, the dissention makes me feel that the people who inhabit this virtual world real in flesh and blood and, thus, more endearing. Thanks for your concern.
Nicola – We all love your role of a peace maker. Take care, though, not to make yourself a target in the crossfire.
You asked me where do certain articles or images go for my groups...
Well I have decided to go through every one of your artciles and images and I will let you know if they belong in which group with a statement at the end of this comment...
As of right now this does not fit in any of the Starting with a Letter Groups I have yet...
Having been a gather user for several months I appreciate your thoughts. The software itself seems to be bogged down by its own weight. It has discouraged me quite a bit. In the end each member will use the software for whatever purpose it suits their fancy. But, I have intuitively followed your conclusions of going to my favorite writers and reading them first.
Cheers
The problem is I think that when they set servers up and created web pages it couldn't keep up with the flow. Now deep in computer code lays several problems that if they were dealt with could endanger the whole mess of things.