by Sean Paul Kelley
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January 15, 2006

North Korean Nuke Was A Dud: Ha ha!

October 09, 2006 12:00 PM EDT (Updated: October 09, 2006 12:00 PM EDT)
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Consensus seems to be congealing around this settled wisdom: the bomb was a dud.

Sure, it's a mitigating factor, and it makes it almost certain that the NorKs can't deliver a weapon, but considering the totality of the Bush Administration's failure, this is small comfort. It means they have a lot of enriched plutonium and nothing to do with it.

Jeffrey is laughing at the NorKs. I can't blame him. Officially a dud, says Jeffrey adding, "North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever."
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Comments: 27

Janet Somewhere Up On The Mount Oct 9, 2006, 12:05pm EDT
LOL That was the only funny thing about it.
Thanks for the laugh this am. Love the photo.
~~:<~Ste. Joan & Special Sauce~~:<~ Oct 9, 2006, 12:12pm EDT
But they'll keep trying. Or kidnap someone who knows how to get it done, no?
Diana Raabe Oct 9, 2006, 12:13pm EDT
It's a good thing, as Martha Stewart would say.
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 12:39pm EDT
And Roadking you would be right. Glad you are finally seeing the light.
Kelly K. Oct 9, 2006, 12:40pm EDT
That is good but as you say a small consolation given the failure that it went this far to begin with. It still leaves the same problem to be solved. The World order is in total disarray and the US refuses dialogue with everyone it needs to speak with....
Edward Nudelman Oct 9, 2006, 12:56pm EDT
yes, but a matter of time, huh. Was it documented to actually have happened, but a dud? Or was the sesimic activity attributed to something entirely different?
Clark Kent Oct 9, 2006, 1:10pm EDT
Oh well. I'm sure he can sell that plutonium to Bush's pal, Osama.
Patrick T. Oct 9, 2006, 1:13pm EDT
Dud?

Then what caused the 4.3 earthquake in the Korean peninsula?
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 1:14pm EDT
Edward, the gentlemen I linked to, "Jeffrey" is the Director of Harvard's Atomic Proliferation Program and I trust his judgement.
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 1:15pm EDT
Yes, Patrick, it was a fizzle. The seismic activity should have been much greater than it was for a plutonium atomic bomb.
Angela B Oct 9, 2006, 1:18pm EDT
ummm ok, I'm slow on the uptake, was the test a dud, coz the rest of the world on CNN is gasping still
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 1:33pm EDT
Char is exactly right: dud or not it is still a very big deal. And I know my post is a bit, insouciant, but sometimes I have to laugh when things are so bad or I'll lose my mind. You know?
Ron (in complete sheeple overload) W. Oct 9, 2006, 3:18pm EDT
SP,
I know, but I'll laugh in November, right now, I just want to end the policies that made this possible at all.
Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Oct 9, 2006, 3:27pm EDT
Hopefully, those few hours of wondering what he might do rattled a few cages and opened some eyes to the need for some real diplomacy - which of course means new leadership, because that's a word this group doesn't understand.
David H. Oct 9, 2006, 3:36pm EDT
It's not very surprising the bomb was a dud. Most thinks in North Korea are fakes. They do military parades with tanks made out of paper with motorcycle engines. They roll past buildings that have no interior space, sometimes they don't even have floors. They are just facades. Maybe the bomb is the same.
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 3:55pm EDT
How do you know that about the parades David? Do you have specific, verifiable evidence? A link? Proof of any kind? Please provide it for us all so that we may evaluate it, because I lived in Korea and I have never heard such a thing.
Apollyon The Greek Oct 9, 2006, 4:38pm EDT
Sean:
Run this by your professor friend "Jeffery. Since N.Korea knows an actual nuclear war is absolutely unwinnable and they are desperate for cash, I have another theory that is actually even more grave. It is my understanding that a 1/2 megaton bomb is considered about the lowest feasible reaction that can be pulled off. What if N.Korea's intent isn't to arm their missiles with bombs, but to make portable nuclear weapons like has been theorized about Russia's briefcase bombs? That could bring them a commodity that they can sell for a serious amount of cash.

I hope my theory is wrong-headed here, but if it isn't it could mean much worse repercussions that anything I've heard of to date.

Peace
Kathryn E. Oct 9, 2006, 7:22pm EDT
The only good thing to come out of this is the realization that the NorK scientists are the worst, ever.
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 7:40pm EDT
Yeah, there has been a lot of laughing at them by the professionals who follow these issues. No one has ever failed their first test. One test the Paks did was less than desirable but not an out and out failure. Glad they are incompetent. Bush and Kim deserve each other.
David H. Oct 9, 2006, 8:51pm EDT
How do you know that about the parades David? All I have is second hand knowledge from a friend in the military. He was there about 2 years ago as part of a recovery unit trying to identify bodies and teeth of several corpses. At that time he said the buildings were a sham and they had done thermal imaging on the tanks during the parades and the heat signatures were off on some of them, how many I don't know but on some.
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 10:59pm EDT
Tanks not having a thermal image and buildings being crap are a lot different than cardboard. Of course the buildings in North Korea suck. The place is a shithole and Kim is a mean son of a b!@ch who spends his people's money on himself and his 'pleasure brigages.' And as to the tanks, well, yeah, they were probably being towed and had no thermal signature because the NorKs don't have any freaking gas. If the engines aren't running it means there isn't any heat. But tanks made of paper with motorcylce engines would give off a thermal signature.

Pfthhfthh.
David H. Oct 9, 2006, 11:30pm EDT
I have no idea where this is coming from, Sean. You were having a fight with David L. not me. I don't have a dog in this fight. Paper was not a literal statement which unless you are complete idiot you already knew. Paper as in "not real" or "not armor". I agree Kim is crazy and mean and for him a towed tank and a fake building is as good as real one.
Sean Paul Kelley Oct 9, 2006, 11:49pm EDT
Cool man, been a long day for me and it was my radio show night and I always get a bit too wound up. Sorry.
Olga M. Oct 10, 2006, 3:28am EDT
I think the only hazard with laughing them off like this is that then we don't make the effort it takes to actually negotiate to prevent them from selling the next one they make. It's like the tortoise and the hare. It's my understanding that for years all we needed to do was make some concessions with N Korea to alleviate his fears that we are madmen who will come attack him any minute. No effort was put into this, and no no effort will be if the threat is laughed off and not dealt with.
~~:<~Ste. Joan & Special Sauce~~:<~ Oct 10, 2006, 10:34am EDT
"Tanks not having a thermal image and buildings being crap are a lot different than cardboard. "

Ya know, was just watching some parade footage on the tube and have to say the "missles" being hauled around sure do look like props. A couple look as if they had been blown slightly off their stands by the wind and just don't look like metal. But of course, I have never seen a missle up close and personal. ;>)

Yes, "Men Tal Li Il" is laughable (I do enjoy the puppet images of him I've seen) but is he any more of a joke than King George?
John S. (arizona) Oct 10, 2006, 1:54pm EDT
Olga- we had a deal once, and not that long ago. He broke it before the ink was dry. Thus, the attempt at six party talks, hoping China and Russia would have some weight. I have my doubts that anything would have stopped him, but who knows.....?

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