FAke ID's Illegal Aliens Know They Are Committing a Crime

Crazy....no arguement from me there....for numerous reasons, it is a very serious problem, including terrorism.

It does support a large criminal element. The whole thing is like a growing snowball rolling down hill.
The border must be fixed first.

Fake ID's
I am fairly positive that past immigrants who came to my country always used fake ID's. The issue is not a new one, it is way of life here in this country. The rich want and need these immigrants to put money into their wallets, the middle class are being robbed of good paying jobs and the poor are forgotten in this mess.
There 12 to 20 million illegal persons here in the country, now how are you going to deal with that? The american society because of their greed have alot on their dinner plate. #1. energy- I say ride a bike. #2. Medical care-eat right and excercise and stay away from the drug and doctors who are making a mint off of your mental state. #3. The economy- share all the wealth here in the country- it sounds socialistic- but look at your wallet and then look at enrons.#4. Being illegal- half of the country needs them to change their kids diapers and the other half is crying over the stupidty of laws they don't enforce, what it is it the multitude of the stupids?
Fake ID's you can arrest all the people you want for providing fake ID's, it is just like the playing whamo, like McCain said. I say, legalize the illegals use them to fight the wars we get into, then educate them so the country can have an educated mass who will share the wealth.
Native Yawn-Apache

Get this ... here in Arizona, ten fraudulent document rings were shut down just this past Wednesday after 16 people were booked for making and selling fake IDs, including hundreds of driver's licenses, Social Security cards and "green cards" to undercover officers.

But the most concerning part, is that the undercover officers carried out the sting by buying these fraudulent documents using the names of two known terrorists!

In one case, the undercover officers even told the ring members that they were buying the documents for people who needed IDs to get on airplanes in Phoenix, and used the name of the terrorist on the show 24.

The purpose of the sting was to see how easily it is to create a false ID and to show that it's not just poor people coming from Mexico who can establish a new identity.

Apparently, anybody can pay $100, wait 30 minutes and get a fake ID.

Because the demand is huge, many criminal elements are getting involved. They don't care who they sell to, just get the money. It's a huge problem.
Fix the border! Otherwise the game continues, and we pay.

John...you are right on fixing the border....you put up all 2100 miles of fencing on the border, put 50,000 armed military troops on the border, and you stem the flood down to a trickle.

This in turn frees up Border Patrol and ICE to begin serious interior enforcement...raids at both work places and in neighborhoods. I guarantee you, a raid in my block would net them at least 60 people.

A friend of mine works in a local factory. He told me that the factory has a lot of undocumented workers.

When I asked him a couple of days ago if the undocumented workers were there, he said that ICE had warned the manager of the factory of an upcoming raid, and that there would be a substantial fine for each illegal employed there. Of course the manager got rid of the illegals before the ICE raid.

GREAT....let's give companies warning so they can hide their illegal work force until after the raid.

I also was involved in a situation at a Chinese restaurant where I suspected that Human Trafficking was taking place. I reported it to ICE, and all that they did was arrest the illegals( Chinese and Hispanic ) and no charges were filed against the owner of the restaurant. I also had 3 former employees , 2 Chinese and 1 Thai , who were willing to testify against the owner with evidence that he knew that he was hiring illegals, and ICE did nothing.

I'm sorry, but I really have no confidence in ICE.

Maybe I should start my own thread about these Chinese restaurants ? I think that there is an organized network of Human Trafficking, forced labor, fake documents ( including fake student visas ) linked to a lot of these Chinese restaurants.

Timouthy, cannot hurt...every bit of attention that can be brought to focus on the Illegal Alien situation is a good thing.

good post - juan g. - i think that you are right on a lot of your points . i agree with some of them if i understood YOU correctly . --- one thing though , illegals or foreigners should never be allowed in the usa military except in VERY SMALL NUMBERS . --- makes no sense to arm and train a potential enemy just so native born americans can shun their military responsibility !! --- oh yeah , bring back the draft !!! --- arthur

oh yeah , - juan g. - i forgot to say it --- but concerning the 10 to 30 million , maybe more --- deport them , deport all of them !!

The problem here is: You can forget the feds. screwing up the entire nation's economy just because you scream they're all illegal.

Juan is correct in that it's a great cumulation of "stupids."

I can see realizing the laws don't work.

I can see being angry that the laws don't work.

I can see being angry that we don't politically force Mexico to do something about future waves of immigration.

I CAN't see an US vs. THEM on this issue. We aren't bullies like the world says....Are we?

Persecuting a largely uneducated, rural population who cannot possibly compete with our "big guns" of experience and higher education - just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Change the laws - deport criminals - secure the borders -

but don't smack of MLK days with your racial rhetoric and your messages of doom.

Just like our black population and all the other minorities in the U.S., they will fight for the right to be equal.

Jackie....you want to make this a racial issue...it is not. At best, it is a haves verse the have not's issue. Now, the problem with that, the have not's in this case (Illegal Aliens) are slicing out their portion of the pie by STEALING it from our nation's HAVE NOTS.

I followed the links last night THAT YOU YOURSELF used in trying to make your own points....now, if I'd only looked at the information you were referencing, those links make your point...but if you read everything, they do not, and in fact MAKE TWO OF MY POINTS.

I've alledged that ILLEGAL ALIENS are stealing jobs from Americans in our lower rungs of the economic ladder. Your own statistics showed that 1 out of 3 NEW JOBS created since 1995 were filled by ILLEGALS! Further, your statistics showed that ILLEGAL ALIENS had make great gains in the consruction field in North Carolina, filling a full 29 percent of the job slots. Come on, basic intelligence tells you they should not be making those kinds of gains in this field without some kind of advantage over American workers, and that advantage is the cheap wage rates they have brought to the industry.

Which brings us to point two....I've alleged here, and you have denied the fact that illegals are DEPRESSING OUR WAGES by over 200 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Your own statistics which I found on your link point out that if we were to deport these illegals, wages in the Construction industry would go up ONE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR...in short, illegals are getting hired instead of Americans because they are willing to UNDERCUT OUR WAGES.

Where is it fair for Illegals to march across the border, and steal from our nations poor? You want to paint them as innocent victims....they are not innocent, and they are not victims. They know what they are doing, it is VERY DELIBERATE.

Just so we are clear, your complaint is that we have a conspiracy of sorts, that the illegal aliens in a "VERY DELIBERATE" way are stealing from us.

Sure doesn't say much for us.....

Bunch of third world, elementary educated, immigrants walking in here and in broad daylight to plan and execute a "VERY DELIBERATE" plan to steal from our poor.

I had no idea Porgie, that you thought we were so stupid.

Thank you for clarifying.

Jackie....again, nice try. The Mexican government has and entire stategic plan to ship their citizens here...there poor families. The Mexican government has printed up pamphlets telling their citizens how to get here, they provide updates on where our Border Patrol have recently been sited, have set up places inside of Mexico along the border where Mexicans can rest before making the final push....as I said, this is vERY DELIBERATE.

I think it's interesting that you chose these three cases for your article:

Police have arrested a man they believe to be producing

men accused of selling

new arrivals could buy a "green card" and Social Security card

You complain about FAKE ID and propose closing the borders, but have you considered how much of the FAKE ID business might not be attributed to illegals coming across the border and if closing the border will in fact remedy the situation you are concerned/obsessed with? Since you have written.. what.. eight articles?? on this topic now, it seems you would get down to some real research and deliver something more substantial than what I'm reading. Porgie, if you want others to take you seriously, you have to be willing to do the work.

I wrote the article about the the Chinese restaurant The title is " Chinese Restaurants, Human Trafficking and Forced Labor ". I hope that everyone can find it .

What we need is an impenetrable wall at our border with Mexico, complete with guard towers and crack shots on duty 24/7--maybe former Green Berets or SEALs. To keep people out, not in.

What we need is an impenetrable wall at our border with Mexico, complete with guard towers and crack shots on duty 24/7--maybe former Green Berets or SEALs. To keep people out, not in.

What we need is an impenetrable wall at our border with Mexico, complete with guard towers and crack shots on duty 24/7--maybe former Green Berets or SEALs. To keep people out, not in.

Those who support illegals want to IGNORE the attacks on our own border citizens, and the attacks on our Border Patrol...listen to them, these illegals are all innocent.....sure, and those same illegals have also dumped over 50 thousand tons of GARBAGE on our pristine environment along the border as well.

Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.

Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.

Spot on H.G. Spot on ! You hit the nail on the head in your last post !

Guys: If we wrote the damn thing, the least we could have done is enforce it!

Then we'd have a country full of other immigrants to be angry about!

JAckie....that is EXACTLY what we are doing, and now that we Americans are insisting our laws be enforced, you want to cry foul.....IE, you do not feel it would be fair to deport these 12 million people who are here illegally, and further you EMBRACE a liberal Guest Worker program.

As to a nation full of immigrants to be angry at....uhhh, Jackie, in case you did not know this, last year alone America allowed over 900,000 people to LEGALLY IMMIGRATE to America, and none of us are MAD AT THEM.

whats the reason to have laws if they are never enforced,ill be right back need to rob a bank, drive drunk, ect.

When the Draft is re-instated next year, which it will be! Instead of sending our own kids off to fight and get wasted, we need to send all those Illegals off to war in exchange for citizenship. Which we'll give em, if, they make it back alive that is....

Ben, outstanding idea!!! One problem--they'll tear down our flag and put up the Mexican one. Then they won't fight with the heart of true patriotic Americans. They wouod fail to defend our country. It isn't theirs, after all.

But sill worth a try! :-)