Just over a week ago I was branded anti-Semitic for suggesting the Israelis are a gang of murderous war junkies. I was not the only one of course to come under fire, anybody who criticised the acts of the Israeli government was immediately dubbed anti Semitic or anti - jewish.
Its time we stopped allowing this terrorist state to shelter behind that "anti-semitic" barricade and face up to their inhuman acts.
The critism of Israel has been proved right, double right in fact because not only have the Israeli government been escalating the war but they have shown a penchant for attacking women and children, Muslims and Christians. And they seem to think it is monstrously unfair that the other side are respondink in like manner.
So I was right again. But I am not one to blow my own trumpet (a little British irony there folks). What this post is about is nailing that anti - Semitic jibe once and for all.
The people who use it as a defence to deflect criticism do not know what a semite is. These idiots have been brainwashed by religious propaganda and in their ignorance they contradict themselves.
A semite, according to middle eastern legend is someone descended from Ham the son of Noah (you might think "Shem" and "Semite" would make more sense; so do I, but mythology does not have to make sense)and these tribes include Assyrians Phoenicians and Arabs in modern terms, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine (including Israel), Gaza and parts of Iraq, Iran and Turkey. So guess what. The LEBANESE are SEMITES even the Muslims and quite a few Lebanese Christians.
When people say "time we told those Israeli bastards to eff off and leave Lebanon alone" they are actually being PRO-semitic as Lebanon contains a wider cross section of the semitic peoples than Israel.
Same with Jews. If we criticise Israel are we anti Jewish? Well a Jewish person is someone from Judea, Jew is just modern usage covering many religious sects the chief of which are the Pharisee or what we would call orthodox Jews. The Saducee or secular Jews are more peaceful, inclusive and tolerant. Its rather like "Christian" being used as an umbrella for all sorts of beliefs from the extreme American pentecostalists to mainstream Anglican and Roman Catholic.
Religious tolerance is a fine thing but those who demand it of others are usually the same ones who, once tolerated, claim they are the ONLY sect who worship the true God and therefore they are entitled to kill everyone else.
We must learn to tolerate everything except intolerance!
If the Jewish terrorist sympathisers and Christian Bible Thumpers understood their own holy books of course they would be able to work out that anyone taking sides in this Hizbullah versus Zion conflict is choosing between two semitic factions so it is quite impossible to be anti - semitic.
I am quite proud of the fact that I am and have always been anti - war and so am never going to make allowances for the terrorism of either a Jewish state or a Muslim militia. Hizbullah were wrong to provoke Israel, Israel was wrong to launch such an excessive retaliation, Britain and America were wrong in declining to put pressure on both sides to cease fire.
Mainstream Jews and mainstream Christians need to learn the folly of letting trouble makers shelter under your umbrella and most We should all be very suspicious of those who cry wolf at the least provocation. Chances are they are the worst of extremists and are trying to divert attention from something much nastier than what they are yelling about.
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I disagree entirely with this definition.
What distinguishes terrorism from military action is the target. Terrorism targets civilians to undermine the primary purpose of civilization, that of maintaining peace and security for the benefit of the vulnerable.
Israel does not target civilians, Hezbollah and Hamas do. It is that simple.
Someone stated in another thread that the reason Hezbollah kills children with it rockets is that their weapons lack pin-point accuracy. This argument assumes that Hezbollah given a more accurate weapon would not be so indiscriminate.
Of course what do we see when Hezbollah has pin-point accuracy weapons, like suicide bombers?
Well, we see them MAXIMIZING civilian casualties.
That my friend is what distinguishes terrorists from nationalist fighters.
Anti-Semitic Jews II
Anti-Semitic Jews III
No group has criticized the Zionist state more than has these True Jews. If the pro-war pundits are correct that only someone who hates Jews opposes Israel, then Mr Thorpe is in good company.
Irael did not start this war.
Israel's Provocations
"Just over a week ago I was branded anti-Semitic for suggesting the Israelis are a gang of murderous war junkies."
If you don't want someone to label you, you quit labeling other people.
If ones mother is Jewish, then her children are also Jewish.
That's all there is to it.
next let me say I don't give a flying rats ass who starts a war.. war is war and thats bad.. whether jews, christians or flying purple people eaters start it.
Oh, Greg, it's never quite that simple despite the conservative tendency to try and reduce everything to black and white.
Hezbollah must, of course, be targeting civilians since it's sending it's rockets into civilian areas. What area in Israel isn't a civilian area?
But Israel is most certainly targeting civilian areas, purposely, even to the point of "ethnic cleansing." The sheer numbers say as much even if you disregard the outcry of those being targeted.
"Including today's deaths, 57 Israeli soldiers and 33 civilians have been killed in the fighting. In Lebanon, about 700 people have been killed, the vast majority of them civilians, according to Lebanese security officials." -http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/world/middleeast/06cnd-mideast.html?hp&ex=1154923200&en=1b8ebdb744c11561&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Those same officials claim another 400 civilians have yet to be dug out of the ruble of what used to be Lebanon. Clearly Israe is punishing an entire country for what it had no power to prevent, but then overkill is the Israeli method.
Here's part of the report from the AFP/NaharNet report:
"In the space of seven hours Saturday, Israel hit Lebanon with around 250 air raids and some 4,000 shells . . .
The single village of Aitaroun near the border endured a barrage of 2,000 rounds.
Israeli artillery was systematically leveling 15 villages within five km of the border after Israeli leaders vowed to create a security zone free of Hizbullah fighters in the area, the police added."
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&95E3C3220AE56308C22571C1005C99A4
And this is from Human Right's Watch:
"The pattern of attacks shows the Israeli military's disturbing disregard for the lives of Lebanese civilians," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. "Our research shows that Israel's claim that Hezbollah fighters are hiding among civilians does not explain, let alone justify, Israel's indiscriminate warfare."
"Human Rights Watch researchers found numerous cases in which the IDF launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military objectives but excessive civilian cost. In many cases, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some instances, Israeli forces appear to have deliberately targeted civilians."
"In one case, an Israeli air strike on July 13 destroyed the home of a cleric known to have sympathy for Hezbollah but who was not known to have taken any active part in the hostilities. Even if the IDF considered him a legitimate target (and Human Rights Watch has no evidence that he was), the strike killed him, his wife, their 10 children and the family's Sri Lankan maid."
"On July 16, an Israeli aircraft fired on a civilian home in the village of Aitaroun, killing 11 members of the al-Akhrass family, among them seven Canadian-Lebanese dual nationals who were vacationing in the village when the war began. Human Rights Watch independently interviewed three villagers who vigorously denied that the family had any connection to Hezbollah. Among the victims were children aged one, three, five and seven."
"The Israeli government has blamed Hezbollah for the high civilian casualty toll in Lebanon, insisting that Hezbollah fighters have hidden themselves and their weapons among the civilian population. However, in none of the cases of civilian deaths documented in the report is there evidence to suggest that Hezbollah was operating in or around the area during or prior to the attack. '
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/02/lebano13902.htm
In effect Israel is just as guilty of indiscriminate murder as Hezbollah and whether or not you call it terrorism is meaningless to those on the recieving end.
Just as Hezbollah thinks nothing of targeting civilians with the pin-point accuracy of suicide bombs, it thinks nothing of drawing fire into civilian areas.
We all know that about Hezbollah, I suppose what bothers me is that people like you accept this as normal behavior yet you expect us to get hysterical when Israel acts against it.
Hezbollah is like the schoolyard brat who picks a fight then tattles when he takes his licks, you are like his little toadie who pretends the instigator is the victim.
It is pathetic when children behave like that. It is psychotic when adults behave like that.
Now, if Greg would only trouble himself to read it he would learn something.
The truth is that Israel has no moral right whatsoever to any of the territory, not even that tiny scrap of scrubland someone referred to. BTW (you know who you are) Niether Egypt, Lybia, Algeria nor any other north African nations are currently involved in hostilities so how can they be trying to wipe Israel off the map. (I think you will find that idea comes from Iraq which is on a different continent entirely. You know whan people say the President can't find his arse with both hands? Does that apply to all the American political right?) Lebanon is an even smaller scrap of land than Israel and the point most U.S. rightists are missing is that the majority religion in Lebanon is Christianity.
We have some interesting definitions of terrorism most of which boil down to "terorists are anyone we dont like and who will not do what we tell them." So being a writer who likes to spread enlightenment and understanding I decided to provide the official definition from Webster's dictionary.
"Terrorism: The act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy "
So as Israel came into beinmg as a result of a prolonged and bloody terrorist campaign, as the Israeli givernment have consistently persecuted the Palestinians who do have a moral right to occupy the land, and as Israel has more than a few times used force and threats to demoralise, intimidate and subjugate the smaller and less well armed state of Lebanon I stand by my assertion that Israel is a terrorist state, its acts of war against Lebanon are illegal and immoral just as America's and Britain's acts of war againt Iraq and Afghanistan are. This makes America and Britain terrorist states too. Washington, London, Tel Aviv, the real axis of evil.
This does not mean all British, American and Israeli people are terrorists. Quite the contrary in fact, much to the consternation of the war - junkie right, opinion around the world is hardening against the coalition of bully states. Most people can live in peace with each other if religion and right - wing politics are taken out of the equation.
You can expect the tone of pro war arguments to reach "screaming hysteria" very soon as once again they find they have lost the debate as well as the plot.
Well let's face it, their tone is never much below screaming hysteria is it.
There is no reason why you should put a "u" in words like humour and colour unless you learned Latin at school. With me its force of habit.
Just don't get me started on AluminIUM.
Thanks for reminding us of the heavy hand of Syria's strong-man dictator Hafiz al-Asad.
We all need to remind ourselves of Syrias murder of Lebanon's prime minister Rafik al-Hariri an event that ousted the Syrian Army from Lebanon.
We need to remind ourselves that it was Hezbollah who campaigned against the ouster of its Syrian sponsors.
By the way, Syria calls its ambassador to Lebanon "The Governor".
How do you excuse bombing the Christian areas, or bombing churches, factories, even hospitals, or displacing almost 900,000 people who are now homeless and without basic services.
Perhaps it's Israel itself that is really hysterical or it believes that with the U.S. at its back it can do anything it wants, kill as many people as it wants to, commit any atrocity, destroy an entire country in an act of collective punishment if it wants to, anything in fact no matter how uncivilized, and the world can't do a thing.
In any case, as I've said, the numbers speak for themselves. Yes, Hezbollah is guilty for indiscriminately targeting civilians. But Israel, with all its American military technology is... What? Fourteen times as guilty?
You have walked into it again. Well done mate, you're so reliable!
If your neighbours were firing rockets into your country, and refused to stop, I seriously doubt you would choose a peaceful or diplomatic recourse. I wouldnt. My neighbours would get a serious ass-kicking, which is exactly what Lebanon deserves. Usually I am highly critical of Israel, but in this war, I think they are fully justified and I hope they win.
Sure terrorism is a bad word, but it must be applied rationally. Israel's current actions are not terrorist in nature, they are warlike. This is what happens in a war. Civilians die and may even be deliberately ignored or targetted, but that isnt terrorism, thats war. Thats how you win a war, like it or not, by destroying the enemy and all that supports them.
Greg,
We discussed this on the other forum before you were banned there. Syria did not kill Hariri and emphatically denies doing so as he was compliant in allowing its army in Lebanon --- after all, why would anyone kill their own ally?
As you likely recall, I posted a link at that time which showed that the car used to bomb Hariri was stolen in St Louis, MO which means it was likely planted there by the CIA or by the Mossad. We have discussed this before so there's no need to proceed any further.
Sure I can enlighten. A hypocrite is a person who says one thing and does another. In some people's perspective I may be guilty of that but I would deny such a charge. I have always stuck to the principle that violence is wrong, even verbal violence. For this the rabid right always accuse me of being a wimp, a faggot, a communist and worse. As it happens when I have been forced to resort to physical violence I have proved myself very good at it.
Now I also find that liberal and pacifist opinion at sites like Gather is often shouted down by the threats and insults of those less well equipped to debate issues rationally and so though I am slow to join debates I do tend to post very provocative articles to attract the attention of the bullies.
So rather than being a hypocrite I am a champion of he oppressed and am throwing down the ganunlet - or in the vernacular of northern England I am saying to them "if you think you're hard, come and have a go."
I also hope to persuade liberals to be a little more hard edged; in trying to avoid unpleasantness we should not let the right trample on us.
Sorted?
next let me say I don't give a flying rats ass who starts a war.. war is war and thats bad.. whether jews, christians or flying purple people eaters start it.
i 100% agree with the Sgt Maj here
I also agree with the Sgt. Major and recommend this excellent article written by James Moylan American Hypocrisy the Best in the World
Use quotes from noted principled ocnservatives such as Pat Buchanan, William F Buckley, Lew Rockwell, antiwar.com, and Kevin Phillips to shut up the hate filled right wing pundits. I do so all the time and it sure as heck works. Whenever I do nobody calls them commie, liberal, or whatever. That's because they are just as anti-war as you are.
I used to post at a site (no longer running) where I measured my success in death threats or stuff like this:
"don't go out after dark you faggot, or you will not see the morning." Well its a nice thought but I'm a bit past carousing til just before dawn and the sleeping it off until after midday now. Used to be quite a regular thing when I was younger.
The silly think is the rednecks who make these threats usually have trouble finding U.S.A on the map, they are never going to find the little town in England where I live.