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by Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer
Member since:
December 19, 2005

Why I Wear Granny's Image

July 03, 2006 08:07 PM EDT (Updated: December 10, 2006 10:18 PM EST)
views: 931 | rating: 7.9/10 (127 votes) | comments: 199

My words, not my physical image, should represent me on a writing forum. Since Gather allows me to attach a photo icon to my words, I looked for an image that would represent the many facets of who I am, not how I look.

I chose this picture of my great grandmother relaxing outdoors because to me, she represents freedom, inner peace, hope, and beauty, so she serves as a perfect icon for the way I want to present myself. My children are grown and my work done. Today, I sit with my back to the dirty dishes and dusty furniture, facing the world. My treasures live inside me, not my house or garage, and I hope to release them to the world around me.

For those who see Granny's face and wonder if I took a good look before typing the word beauty, I will explain my thoughts about beauty and how they developed. I came into this life knowing I was beautiful, intelligent, talented, and everyone loved me. The incredible part of my story is that I didn't believe any of this gave me an advantage; I also believed everyone else was beautiful, intelligent, and talented, and I loved them back.

Somehow, those beliefs survived my snaggle-toothed stage, a gangly growth spurt that put me a head taller and ten pounds lighter than everyone else my age, my drop into the ranks of average grades, and the addition of my blue, cat eye glasses. However, when I asked my sixth-grade teacher why she had not assigned me to a math tutor when my falling grades made it obvious I was struggling, her response set my comfy world in a spin.

"Girls that look like you don't have to worry about math," she said. "Men eventually take care of them." She sent me back to my desk with no help and many new questions.

I doubted everything I had known before then and questioned the motives of everyone in my life. Did I get the solo in the concert because of how I looked, or because I earned it with my music? Had my appearance, and not the fact that we enjoyed the same hobbies, influenced the amount of time my Grandmother spent with me? Would people still love me if I looked different?

The underlying message surfaced, inspiring my first introspective journey at age eleven. Did I use my looks to get what I wanted? The answer was a definite no. After the teacher's statement and my self-reflection, I devalued what others thought of me and decided my own opinion was the only one that mattered. I liked me, and knew my esteem was not tied to my appearance.

I turned that lesson into an almost complete disregard for appearance and popularity. I played with make-up, hair, and clothes, like other girls, but did not care what anyone else thought about my choices, or what anyone else wore or liked. My outlook produced mixed results. Since I lived without trying to predict how those who considered themselves popular or attractive would treat me if I stepped outside their rules, I failed to predict the backlash when I dated a guy one of those popular girls had claimed for her own, or the benefit of rolling my eyes at the guy who offered me a free picture of himself in his football uniform, in front of the girls who had lined up behind me to purchase their copies. Long story short, the guys liked me for the right reasons and strengthened my disregard for appearance; superficial girls disliked me for the wrong reasons, often hurting themselves in the process, which provided more good lessons for me.

I knew I was attractive, although I never believed as much so as others seemed to think. I never thought I had to announce my attractiveness to others, nor was I obligated to deny it. It was a truth to me, the same as being female, or having blue eyes, not worthy of pride or shame.

How others perceived my appearance awarded me certain advantages; I accepted that. Because the body I came in was a gift, I also accepted the  responsibility that came with something I hadn't earned. If I purposely used it for personal gain, I would not deserve what I gained and therefore could not enjoy it.

The decisions I made regarding presentation were based more on personality than appearance. To me, sexy is a state of being, not a look. Intelligence is what I give, not what I possess; my personality is fun, not my wardrobe. Therefore, I disregarded these things when choosing clothes and hairstyles. My boyfriend thought Rod Stewart's "You Wear It Well" was written for me, and I wore the tux when the invitation announced formal attire. I learned to expect people to be surprised by my attitude, because I appear softer and younger than I am.

Later, I ran into a second situation much like that with my sixth-grade teacher. While offering me a promotion, my boss suggested that my appearance played a role in the rapport I enjoyed with the medical staff and my ability to accomplish more than my co-workers. I accepted the promotion, and went to work for the next six months with my hair pulled back, no make-up, a lab coat over my clothes, and glasses instead of contact lenses. When the doctors recommended me for my next position, and they hired two people to replace me in the one I was leaving, I was reassured that my appearance had nothing to do with my success.

My Gather experience has been interesting. I do believe my icon garnered a softer touch from many than a current picture might have, and for that a few people were resentful of my using Granny. However, I stand by the belief that she represents the true me, and our words are what should matter most in this forum (masked men, cartoon characters, clouds, and puppy dogs included).

Now Available– male perspective from John A. 2.0

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Comments: 199

Spencer T. Jul 3, 2006, 8:13pm EDT
Your words alone grip me
not an image I see or create
Your wit and strong attitude
is what does so satiate.

I've learn to love you
from the words you say
And admire your forwardess
cause it is your own way.
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Faith H. Jul 3, 2006, 8:24pm EDT
Sandy, you rock. I enjoy the strong and independent spirit you offer gather.
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Magi the magical poet is riding the wind again Jul 3, 2006, 8:31pm EDT
Sandy, in physical appearance I'm hardly beautiful but I've never cared about that. Far more important to me has been to follow my own star, through thick and thin. Any beauty that I might have is non-physical - it comes from within, and I believe that all of us have this beauty; it is a spiritual radiance that I actually see on people's faces. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

As to Gather icons - who really cares? To me, the icon/ name is but a signpost. A particular icon/ name signifies that here I will find writing (and personality) characteristics X,Y&Z. To me, the person's gender and age are irrelevant. Whether or not the icon accurately depicts the person's age and gender are also totally meaningless to me. Ditto the name that they choose to use. All these are but forms - the content is the only thing relevant and important to me. That content is spiritual - love! Even though I might disagree with what the person says, I never lose sight of the fact that he or she is a radiant spirit whose hand is held by God.

The writings on Gather do not diminish the intrinsic worth and graciousness of the writers - such merely reflects their own mindsets, whether wise or foolish.

Oops, I gone on for too long and there's still so much more that I could say.

Magi
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Maura Alia Badji Jul 3, 2006, 8:40pm EDT
i like seeing granny there in her chair.
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Marcia T. Jul 3, 2006, 8:42pm EDT
Wow, Sandy, Wow! Beauty articulated so well! Thanks for this.
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Nancy S. Jul 3, 2006, 8:44pm EDT
Interesting. I use the icon I have because when I first joined, I had a few different ones, then this. It represents peace to me, and that is something I am striving for. I stuck with it, and I feel like people will recognize me by it at this point.
When looking at a new article, I can scan thru the comments, and see if any of my pals are commenting, by the icons. Very few of us use our real photos, not should we have to.
I love your icon, Sandy, and recognize you by it, even though I've known all along it is not you.
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Cheryl C. Jul 3, 2006, 8:44pm EDT
I used to obsess about my appearance. My dad would say "vanity they name is Sheri" and he was correct. I played lovable bimbo to scatter-brained perfection.

When my brain finally caught-up with my body, a year or two after I was married, it was tremendously difficult for those people who had only known bimbo me to take my evolving consciousness seriously. I could only blame myself.

It is clear that you never lacked intellectual confidence, Sandy. I've finally learned what you learned at age eleven. It's sexy to be smart.

And open minded.
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Mary M. Alward Jul 3, 2006, 8:53pm EDT
Sandy, A beautiful piece. Like you, I have never much cared what others thought of me. I am my own person and wear what I choose. I seldom wear makeup, haven't changed my hairstyle in umpteen years and enjoy being myself. I have great respect to you and love the icon of your granny. Thanks for allowing me to get to know you a little better through this piece.
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Edward Nudelman Jul 3, 2006, 8:58pm EDT
Sandy, thanks for this superbly written autobiographical sketch on your views of beauty. It very much resonates with me. Our appearance should be the last thing that equates to value; and yet we, especially in our western culture, put such a high premium on the perfect body (just look at John A!) and features... that it compromises our appreciation for the things that really matter, like inward beauty, charm, honesty, integrity, kindness and generosity of spirit. Your article has conveyed this better than any I've seen on Gather. (apologies to Jake... who might really have the cutest icon).
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Linda Douglas Jul 3, 2006, 9:14pm EDT
That was excellent, Sandy. I appreciate the thought that was put into and the genuineness of your story.
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X Tabber Jul 3, 2006, 9:48pm EDT
This is great. You've alluded to a deeper meaning behind your choice of icon, and I've wondered whether you would provide it or not.

I guess I'm personally grateful that you've chosen to ignore physical appearance only in favor of spiritual and intellectual pursuits.

Modern medical science can do wonderful things for people's looks, but they've yet to demonstrate they can create a beautiful soul...
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 3, 2006, 9:55pm EDT
Thanks to all of you. I have struggled with this article, gone back and forth over whether to publish it or not. After last week's experience, when I was told in so many words that I just wasn't quite "beautiful or womanly" enough to get someone's message, I decided it was time to polish and publish my thoughts. John A. gave it his stamp of approval, and promised me it didn't sound vain. That was my biggest fear. Believe it or not, he and I had discussed writing about image and icons, before any of that other nonsense came up. I am anxious to see his.
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Laurie White Jul 3, 2006, 9:55pm EDT
Sandy, I knew Granny had a special place and hence the use of her icon. I wish more girls these days had your attitude and were happy with themselves and saw their self-worth. Inspiring article here.
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Mugg Muggles, "The Man With the Jive" Jul 3, 2006, 10:03pm EDT
A great article. Granny produced someone to be proud of indeed.
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Granny Janny H. Jul 3, 2006, 10:46pm EDT
This article is a gift to gather.
I am attached to your granny image because I met you that way. I've looked at your lovely photos and was not surprised by anything except the incredibly beautiful blueness of your eyes. You do come across as a level-headed intelligent, and compassionate writer. The image of you/your grandmother rocking on that chair fits perfectly with what you say.
Some days I am vain
and on others I'm sane
It varies with pain
and the rain and
the wind on my weather vane.
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lea and... c. Jul 3, 2006, 10:59pm EDT
Sandy, I like granny. I remember growing up thinking I was not pretty at all.
I liked to look nice but I had my own style. Vanity is not one of my trait.
I think your article describes you well, an independent thinker.
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Tom Kurtz Jul 3, 2006, 11:00pm EDT
I often look for the granny when looking for something to read.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 3, 2006, 11:18pm EDT
After Tom's comment, I'm sure I'll never change the icon. Thank you, Tom, Lee, Jan, Laurie, and Mugg.
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James Moylan Jul 3, 2006, 11:19pm EDT
We are what we say and what we think
We are we are
I did so enjoy this. Despite it being well written and easy prose - it is full of the disarming honesty that makes granny such a gal.
MMMmmm
soulfood
:-)
PS iconography cuts both ways
I still get razzed by my wife over the comments I recieved when I posted my actual mug shot
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Dorine H. Jul 4, 2006, 12:04am EDT
It must be nice to be beautiful enough to wonder if you''re getting ahead on your looks rather than your merit. it's shotty to have to care very much about your apearance because you need to tweak every bit you vcan outof it, knowing that yu have been passed over because you aren't pretty even though you were competent and doing your best.

Beauty shines throug, even when you pull your hair back severely and wear the lab coat. It can't be hidden any more than inherent ugliness can be. Pretty still wins.
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Peter M. Jul 4, 2006, 1:01am EDT
Sandy, the picture of Granny reminds my of my favorite aunt who partly raised me. Long before I knew of such things as "meditation" and "inner peace," she would take me out on the porch where we would simply "sit and see" for a while. She was one of the most balanced and "together" human beings I ever met.

Much of my 12-year stint writing in cyberspace has been representated by a graphic of a snowflake, rather than my likeness. It wasn't till maybe 2-3 years ago that someone pointed out that an "about me" page needs to have a person, rather than an icon. Truth be known, I don't read articles on account of who's in a picture, but because the words speak to me.

I do appreciate your explanation as why it is Granny who represents you, as opposed to any myriad other images.
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Madame Donna C. Jul 4, 2006, 1:51am EDT
Sandy, my soul sista! You rock girl.
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Digital Dogs Jul 4, 2006, 4:24am EDT
Great article Sandy!

I'm with Nicola who said:
> "As to Gather icons - who really cares? To me, the icon/ name is but a signpost. "

As you know, I couldn't agree more.

I love your granny!
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Summer Foovay Jul 4, 2006, 6:23am EDT
I have always loved your granny. I think I love her even more now.

A young woman who I was very close to had a similiar experience to yours, only she sadly allowed herself to be convinced she was never anything but a pretty face and everything she gained was because of that. She is a wife and mother now and I think she finally realizes that some people love her for herself, not her outer beauty, but it was a very long road for her. I doubt she will ever actually realize how smart and strong she truly is.

Your writing & your wisdom are some of the things that keep me at Gather.
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loretta s. Jul 4, 2006, 6:44am EDT
Thank you, Sandy, for putting into beautifully chosen words the things everyone needs to realize: It is our inner selves that matter. Your granny icon has always fascinated me. Your writing is not what I would expect of an elderly woman in a rocking chair -- yet as you so eloquently point out, what we see and expect, and what we get are seldom the same thing.
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Kat B. Jul 4, 2006, 7:16am EDT
Sandy, this is outstanding piece of writing and it does not come across as vain in any way. The self-awareness, self-confidence and humanity that comes across in this article is honorable. It beautifully shows that it is possible to be self-confident without superiority, to feel good about yourself, without needing to put others below you.

I also look for your granny image when looking for a good read - don't ever change it!
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Meryl Johnson Jul 4, 2006, 8:18am EDT
I suspect that a lot of women who become high achievers react to their personal beauty the way you did. I had a friend I only knew as a frumpy lab worker struggling towards a PhD, stringy red hair, overweight, glasses, pale. I was fond of her, but she'd have gotten no honors or special treatment because of her looks.

Once she got that PhD, though, WOW! The beauty queen was allowed to re-emerge.
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Joel Carillet Jul 4, 2006, 8:22am EDT
Sandy - This is one of the best things I've read on Gather, by far. I've been curious about what--and who--was behind your icon, but more than that I've been impressed with your prolific comments to others' articles, which are consistently well-articulated, constructive, and a helpful addition to the bantering that often goes on. Your piece today took away a little of the mystery about you, but it only added to my sense of your rootedness.

Well, for what it's worth, thank you for this posting.
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Patty C. Jul 4, 2006, 8:26am EDT
When I first came to Gather months ago, I was looking to gain understanding and familiarity with the lay of the land. I latched onto the Granny icon because she represented gentle wisdom, quality and direction to the stuff worth thinking about. Now that I know my way around, she still represents these things to me. I think the choice was an excellent one.
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Echo Chamber Jul 4, 2006, 8:34am EDT
Wonderfully said. One of the greatest features of the internet is that it is the realm of words and ideas.

Now I'm trying to figure out what my fuzzy choice of icon says about me ;)
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Dannielle S. Jul 4, 2006, 8:39am EDT
Dear Sandy -- I agree completely that your beauty shines through your words, and just as stated in a previous comment, I watch for your icon when I am looking for something worth reading. Whether you're fencing with the other wits here, firmly stating a well-considered opinion, or reflecting on life as you did in this article, it's always worth reading.

The one word I was surprised you did not use was "contentment." When I see Granny on her rocker, I get the sense of someon whose work is done, and done to her satisfaction. She is content to sit and rock, to watch her world and share her wisdom and humor with people she knows will stop by to sit a spell. She's content with life, and comfortable with her lot.
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sheryl r. Jul 4, 2006, 8:48am EDT
sandy,your great grandmother's picture is what i want to look like to my grandkids,loving and peaceful and forever rocking them in my lap. The icon is also a sense of wisdom and love.thanks for telling us the whole story.Also I read your stories not because of the icon,but because of their content.
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Dannielle S. Jul 4, 2006, 8:54am EDT
OOh, Snady -- I just realized there's a rich pun in there: not only is there contentment in the icon, there is reliablly good content in your articles. :-)
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Christopher C. Jul 4, 2006, 9:15am EDT
Sandy., Shame on that teacher, she rots the good ones! Your writing is always strong as an oak, but bending like the willow, of experience! When you take a stand it is rock solid firm. I picked up on your picture right from the get go, its you! Your wit, humor, opinions, and writings are a Pillar on Gather. You are one of the major reasons I stay on Gather and come back. My hat is off to your Granny and you. Enjoy the 4th of July, as a sparkler, you've got my day off and running. Thanks for sharing such a memorial reflection of respect to your Grandmother.
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Christopher Bell Jul 4, 2006, 10:11am EDT
Sandy--Thank you for offering this view into your soul. I'm not sure men have the same catch-22 about appearance as women. I look forward to John's article. Chris
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donna f. Jul 4, 2006, 10:24am EDT
Sandy,
I love your Granny, she reminds me of my own dearly departed Grandma Esta, the resemblance is striking. It is one of the things that drew me to your writing. Then I began reading your words, and realized that there was a gorgeous woman behind the icon. We don't need a picture to see that, its obvious in your humor, your passion and your turn of a phrase.
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Betty K. Jul 4, 2006, 10:47am EDT
I'm always glad to see the Granny image and look forward to what you have to say. Funny...I've always thought she was in a rocking chair! never noticed until now that she isn't. You speak of her as your great grandmother, and I don't know whether she is your grandmother's mother or just that she was a great grandmother (great as in complimentary adjective, not generation-marker). As a great-grandmother myself, I haven't found any role models to speak of. It's virgin territory, and I expect to have at least a dozen great-grandchildren before I kick the bucket.
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Aileen F. Jul 4, 2006, 11:35am EDT
Sandy, this was very well said! We come at our self-imagine from opposite sides. My older sister was beautiful while I went through my awkward years, so kids asked, "She's so pretty, what happened to you?" It takes a lot for me to post a real picture of myself as I never felt pretty enough.

I agree with the signpost comment. I get used to icons and look for them. When people change them, I get lost for a bit!
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Ludie Gee Jul 4, 2006, 11:41am EDT
"I had nothing to do on this hot afternoon
But to settle down and write you a line

Anyway, my coffees cold and Im getting told
That I gotta get back to work

So when the sun goes low and youre home all alone
Think of me and try not to laugh .........................."

"A little ole-fashioned but that's alright..." Thanks to Rod the Mod!
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A wonderful tribute to a loved one and a more than sound reasoning.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 4, 2006, 12:39pm EDT
I am truly overwhelmed by these responses. I have little people with me, so I plan to read them again when I'm alone and can enjoy them even more. This woman was my grandmother's mother. My oldest memory is of a day I spent with the two of them. When I describe what I was wearing, my mother says she is pretty sure I must have been two years old. I don't remember enough about her for her to have played a significant role in my life (had three great-grandparents who lived much longer than she did), but this picture of her represents things that are important to me. Gonna go swim for awhile, now. Will be back later. Happy 4th everyone.
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George Corneliussen Jul 4, 2006, 12:49pm EDT
Sandy,
The damage our society does to itself because we value image over substance is , in it's own way, a very sad commentary on us all. We are all guilty ( to different degrees ) of saying we cherish results, but , in reality, we all worship at the alter of image.
That's probably why nature gave us aging. if aging doesn't wise us up the facts of life, nothing will. Keep doing what you're doing; it's working.
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Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Jul 4, 2006, 12:51pm EDT
Sandy...

As always, a well crafted article with a thoughtful message. I enjoy your candor and viewpoint, and always look forward to seeing your icon within an article thread.

If your great grandmother was sitting in a rocking chair, I would say "Rock On"!
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Darcy Altaville Jul 4, 2006, 1:19pm EDT
This was really wonderful...thanks for sharing.....and ah what Kevin said! Rock on Granny!
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John F Walter Jul 4, 2006, 1:43pm EDT
This was a powerful, honest and really brilliant piece of writing, Sandy. My favorite article of all that you have written, because you showed how your valuing of authenticity came early on, as personal choice, and indeed this truth seeking influences every thing you do or write, including the icon you've elected to represent yourself with.
Top notch. If this isn't an Editor's Pick, for the love of Riley what is?
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0000-fixedgaze-0000 Jul 4, 2006, 2:36pm EDT
You really shouldn't be worrying your pretty little head about these things, Sandy.
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HGM Moya Goatley Jul 4, 2006, 2:44pm EDT
Sandy, I'd like to add my thanks for this well-crafted article. I have often wondered about your icon, being curious enough to try and enlarge the picture. I've always felt that the writing and the image were well matched. I missed the original kerfuffle but then I do that a lot, hence my life is full of surprises and I wander through it, for the most part blissfully unaware. Rock on Sandy
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Today's Illusion Jul 4, 2006, 3:09pm EDT
I love that icon, now we know it is your grandmother. I wondered where you had found such a perfect photo of a woman so completely at peace with herself.
I love the article, when I went to work, I wore big heavy black rimmed glasses and my hair in a bun. I didn't want to be anyone's bimbo.
Funny that in order to be taken seriously we have to hide who we are.
Yet are constantly reminded beauty is the only thing for women.
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Ann B. Jul 4, 2006, 3:58pm EDT
Sandy, like Today's Illusion, I've always loved that icon. It's a beautiful statement, even without your eloquent explanation. Love it.

That comment from your sixth grade teacher is incredible, and yet it holds so much truth. When I look at my daughter, I recognize all the pain and amazement she has to look forward to, looking the way she does. Lucky for her that she doesn't have the blonde stigma, too.

I'm now at the other end of the voyage, so when I walk into a room, most people don't even notice.

Thank you for an eloquent piece, and good on you that you stand for who you are. If people have problems with your icon, they need a life, for god's sake!
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Ferrero R. Jul 4, 2006, 8:22pm EDT
Sandy this is very inspiring. Your strength is evident in your words. It's commendable that you chose your own path and didn't allow what others thought of you to govern what you thought of yourself, especially at such a young age.
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George McNaughton Jul 4, 2006, 8:52pm EDT
Trying to understand the icons on Gather is like taking a trip through a psyco ward -- but yours, in my humble opinion, is the best except the mouse with the cape.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 4, 2006, 11:57pm EDT
George, the mouse is one of my favorites. Thanks again, to all who have commented. For years, I thought that teacher was probably the worst teacher I had ever met. This is one of the things that changed for me with age. Although I think she was wrong to say what she did, I believe it turned out well for me. Granny is not in a rocking chair, but I haven't corrected all those who thought she was, because those chairs did have some 'give' to them and the bounce was enough like a rock to qualify. For anyone not familiar, the chairs were metal, and most people painted them each year (along with the concrete animals in the yard). Again, I appreciate the comments, and especially that so many are willing to discuss this topic.

If you haven't seen John's article yet, I hope you will soon. He approaches the topic from a different perspective, and has done a wonderful job with it. (link above, in article)

And if you haven't visited Cheryl's latest I hope you will stop by there as well.
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John Dice Jul 5, 2006, 2:42am EDT
Sandy...very soulfull....filled with love and respect and.....well....wha ti hope everyone of us can have a piece of in their lifetime.......Beatuifull........and always write what you know about.....stay the course.....
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Stephalicious B. Jul 5, 2006, 3:10am EDT
Hi Sandy, this is a very well-written article. Lots of thoughts...

First, I wanted to comment on part of what you said here:

"I came into this life knowing I was beautiful, intelligent, talented, and everyone loved me. The incredible part of my story is that I didn't believe any of this gave me an advantage; I also believed everyone else was beautiful, intelligent, and talented, and I loved them back."

I am just curious as to how your parents/family helped you with the strong sense of self-esteem you seem to have found at an early age. It is not so easy for everyone - I had a classic dysfunctional family, my parents divorced when I was 5, and I felt very unloved (though that wasn't true). I also felt very ugly (I got glasses in first grade).

With such a strong foundation of self-esteem and with your obvious intelligence and talent, you handled the issue with your looks well enough. I just don't think all young women had the advantages you may have had (meaning, they may not have been as readily talented, or had the sense of inner self-worth you had for whatever reason).

As for myself, I was a late bloomer and no-one paid any special notice to my appearance until I was in my late 20s and my baby fat burned off my face and my body filled out a little bit so I stopped looking like Olive Oyl.

Since I've been on both sides of it...being plain and not-so-plain, I know there's a huge difference in how people treat you. If you've always grown up looking and feeling pretty you may not have been consciously aware of the subtle ways people treated you differently.

But I think people definitely get more attention the better you look (I know what it's like to be both completely ignored, as well as chased down by men in cars who've seen you on the street.) Attractive people are also generally given more opportunities in work (I've read about plenty of studies that have shown this, but I will admit I don't have one handy to cite). I have definitely gotten comments from people I have worked with that I had been hired for a specific sales job partially because I was pleasing to the eye.

It's also true that looks can be a double-edged sword and some people will take you less seriously because of them. But then again, you have to be careful how you present yourself in a work environment...during my blonde phase, I was working at a party I had coordinated for a marketing company. A woman came up to me and asked me what I did. I told her I was the Senior Marketing Consultant. She looks at me and says, "Really? I wouldn't have guessed, since you're so pretty." And this was in 2004, not 1964.

But see, at the time, my hair was long, straight, very flamboyantly blonde, and I was dressed for a party, not for work, so I looked like a bit of a Los Angeles tart, to tell you the truth. I've actually gone back to brunette partly to be taken more seriously.

So while you may say your appearance has nothing to do with your success, I think it might be fair to acknowledge that it can get a foot in the door. From there, it's up to you to work it and use your brains and talents to do the job right.
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Cena W. Jul 5, 2006, 12:54pm EDT
I like this article, discussing the effects of ones appearance, especially for girls/women.
Sometimes a plus, sometimes a negative. But overall, better to have it than to not, but few understand that beauty is more from how one thinks than anything else.
I say you are/were beautiful precisely because of the love you received.
when very young.
PS I love the icon, so calm, peaceful, and sure of herself, this grand woman in the chair on the shade of a summer afternoon. Her strength is visible. I love knowing it is your grandmother.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 5, 2006, 1:11pm EDT
Stephanie, I do understand (and am grateful for) the role my parents had in the early development of my self-esteem. I'm not sure how much credit to give that, since I've seen people with doting, loving, praising parents end up with low self-esteem and people who received little at home develop strong self-esteem, but I do believe my parents encouraged my personality in ways that were beneficial to me. I guess you might say I was a late bloomer also, since I was still in training bras at age forty (when I bothered to wear them), and I still don't have a butt. I stayed with one employer for twenty years, and another for five, so my work experience might be atypical. I did not see attractiveness play a role in promotions in either place of employment. Nor did I see the most attractive girl in the social group get the most attention from males. In fact, I remember asking my dad once why men usually asked my friends to dance first and turned to me only when the others turned them down. His answer, "They're smiling and looking around like they welcome the attention." I smiled a lot more after that. I have had every hair color (including green before it was fashionable), gone from high fashion to jeans and tee shirts, worn glasses and not, and truly do not believe many people treated me differently because of the way I looked. As Cena says, looks are sometimes a plus and sometimes a negative, but most of the time, I believe people see the real person when it matters.
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La Lady Lisa Westerfield Jul 5, 2006, 2:43pm EDT
I love your granny icon. Before I ever connected to you or even read your wonderful articles I knew your icon fit you because your words were so wise. The only time your icon confuses me is when you dot out the head. When I first saw it, as a newbie, I thought my eyes were playing tricks...'didn't that icon have a face?' Please don't dot out her head again, especially if she is your granny.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 5, 2006, 2:54pm EDT
Lisa, that's what happens when I have to put on the wrestling mask. Hasn't happened often, and hopefully won't again.
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Dani Nordin Jul 5, 2006, 10:10pm EDT
Sandy,

Personally, I love the icon—always have. And I can definitely appreciate the questions that come with being an attractive female—I was always considered pretty by family, but not at all by peers until I was about 16—when all of a sudden, I was surrounded by people who liked me not because of my personality or intelligence, but the way I looked (and the fact that I had stopped giving a shit about their opinions over that summer). It's taken a really long time to gauge how many of the opportunities I've had, and friends I've made, were really based on merit. Now, I know that I have what I do because I work hard for it—and being cute? Well, that's just icing!
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Dani Nordin Jul 5, 2006, 10:24pm EDT
Stephanie,

I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, and like I just mentioned, I also know what it's like to be ignored one year and hollahed at from cars, hallways, and barstools the next. This comment particularly struck me:

"It's also true that looks can be a double-edged sword and some people will take you less seriously because of them."

This holds very true for pretty much my entire life from the ages of 16 through about 20 (maybe even later). I was one of those girls that filled out early—a word which here means "D cups by 13." As a result, it was VERY hard to be taken seriously by just about any male I encountered, especially once I started getting less creepy attention from boys/men/whathaveyou.

In my first job, I was the thinnest I ever was, after losing about 65 pounds in a summer, going door-to-door getting donations for an environmental agency.

I worked there three summers in a row, and I ended up making a game out of dealing with the guys I came across, which generally fell into two-categories: College guys who inevitably wanted to get my phone number (one of them I actually ended up dating for 2.5 years, but that's another rant), and middle-aged businessmen types who thought that because I was a young, cute white girl, I didn't know what I was talking about.

With the college guys, I flirted like hell until they gave me money—never promising anything, just smiling a lot and joking around. With the older men, I let them think I was an imbecile for just long enough to get their arguement—at which point I'd throw down with some solid debate skills and they'd end up writing me a check because they were impressed.

The job I ended up at after that (kinko's), the manager wanted me to be part-time counter dressing and no more. However, I needed full-time hours and I wasn't going to stand for that sexist bullshit, so I convinced the weekend manager (who wanted to sleep with me something awful and wasn't afraid to make it known) to teach me how to use the machines by letting him watch me put on lip gloss with my finger now and again. By the end of three weeks, I had learned all the machines and I was running the weekend shift for over a year.

I'm not saying that everyone should do things like this—I'm not even saying that I should have done it—but at the time, it was my way of fighting back against what I always thought was a useless notion—that girls were somehow inferior, and that the bigger your tits or the cuter you are, the dumber you must be. I've been proving that theory wrong for almost two decades now, and I have no intention of stopping.
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Stephalicious B. Jul 6, 2006, 12:11pm EDT
Great comments, Dani.

Sandy, I wanted to comment on your last comment here:

"I have had every hair color (including green before it was fashionable), gone from high fashion to jeans and tee shirts, worn glasses and not, and truly do not believe many people treated me differently because of the way I looked."

I believe there are many women here on Gather who have recently written very poignant articles on how they have been treated as obese women who would probably disagree with you.

I think you have had a certain level of attractiveness all your life, from what you say, and haven't really experienced being exceptionally unattractive. As someone else said, putting your hair up and wearing glasses isn't the same as being "really ugly."

I make that mistake sometimes too, thinking that somehow without my magical makeup, I'm not pretty, or when I wear glasses, I'm not pretty...and it's true, I may not be as initially noticeable, but guys will still hit on me. And trust me, these same guys would not be doing that if I were really overweight, for example.

Wearing glasses does not make you unattractive.

I think you have noble intentions and want to see the good in people...so maybe I'm just more cynical here...but I believe looks always affect people's impressions of a person in one way or another.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 7, 2006, 1:27am EDT
I will agree that looks do always affect impressions. But I don't believe it is strictly attractive features, weight, hair, clothes, etc. I believe what we project through our eyes and smiles, our attitudes, body language, and demeanor - make more difference than any of the other. I also believe that's either something you (universal you) either believe or don't, depending on personal experience, and probably nothing anyone else says can make it different.
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Rossie Indira Jul 7, 2006, 11:10am EDT
Sandy, terrific article as always! Thank you for finally letting us know about your icon. I have always like it since the first time I joined Gather and I always value your opinions on many articles here on Gather. I think you are a very balanced person and you always think a lot before commenting and that is always showed! Thank you for being you!
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 7, 2006, 11:17am EDT
Rossie, thanks for your kind comment. I appreciate your compliments very much.
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Doc, in the middle, holding on... Curmudgeon esq. Jul 7, 2006, 6:32pm EDT
Hi Sandy;

I'm glad you used the Granny.. it gave me time to get to know you.
I'm glad I did.

I will suggest to you about the article above though that although I belive every word you said, you will never and can never know the experience of HAVING to work so hard to just fit in.. and because of that your view will always be slightly skewed. LIke us all.

In my case I rejected doing that early on, but because I wasn't one of the lucky ones to belive i was fair even though I was (you really have no idea how blessed you were do you), I could SEE the struggle my peers did, and do put forth.
You had the luxury of refusing to trade on your looks but even under a lab coat with no makeup you would still be a beautiful woman no matter how hard working you might be.
One cannot 'teach' the blind to see..
be well.
L.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 7, 2006, 6:41pm EDT
Thanks, Lloyd. And I do know how fortunate I have been, in many ways. I also saw the struggles others had. The sentence I want to type now would sould very wrong to many people, so I won't write it. But I will try to put the idea into another article.
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Stephalicious B. Jul 8, 2006, 12:53pm EDT
"I believe what we project through our eyes and smiles, our attitudes, body language, and demeanor - make more difference than any of the other."

You are right about this too. There is some sort of anecdotal but true story I heard somewhere, about a very ugly guy who would get up every morning, look at himself naked in the mirror, and say to himself:

"Joe, you are one handsome devil. You rock. You are amazing."

Or something along those lines.

Apparently, he was a total chick magnet and did well in business and life thanks to the aura he projected.
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Eric (Don't Tread On Me) Spindler Jul 8, 2006, 4:31pm EDT
Beauty is a virtue, not an outward appearance, much like when someone says a person has an 'aura'.
I have few people in this life who I could say were geniuinely someone I would like to emulate. Thanks for adding yourself to the list!
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Paul Chamberlain Jul 9, 2006, 9:46pm EDT
I'm new to Gather and I quickly came to realize that the granny in the rocking chair was an icon to look for if I wanted interesting reading. I think it's great that you gave us the opportunity to get to know you through your words and not your appearance.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 9, 2006, 9:55pm EDT
Thanks, guys. I might have to frame these comments.
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Jesseca Adkins Jul 10, 2006, 4:11pm EDT
Very well said Sandy . I enjoyed reading your article .
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 10, 2006, 4:15pm EDT
Thank you, Jesseca. I appreciate this very much, especially considering the fact that I gave you a rough critique on one of your articles today.
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Jesseca Adkins Jul 10, 2006, 4:32pm EDT
That"s ok Sandy . We all need to be corrcted sometimes . I was wrong to be upset with you at first and for that I am sorry . you are a great writer .
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 10, 2006, 4:51pm EDT
Jesseca, I don't think I'm a great writer - yet. I hope to be. And I try to encourage others to have the same hope.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 10, 2006, 4:57pm EDT
Steve, I haven't read every article, but I have read many. I spend a great deal of time on the computer, and I'm also fast. I write novels, am involved in political groups on-line, as well as writing crique groups. I keep Gather open most of the time, and slip back and forth between here and the other projects. My critique group experience probably makes me a little tougher here than most are (or want me to be). My intention is not to hurt anyone's feelings, but to encourage everyone to be the best they can be. I don't want you to fear or dislike me.
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0000-glendaross-0000 Jul 10, 2006, 5:57pm EDT
Sandy, I loved this article and can only react by what my parents taught me. 'Pretty is as pretty does" and that is how I measure everyone, not by physical attributes. We all will be old and wrinkled, and sitting on that rocking chair we certainly will have fond memories if we haven't created too much chaos in our lifetime.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 10, 2006, 6:14pm EDT
Thank you, Glenda. I believe that adage holds true. Have you ever met someone you thought was beautiful, and found out the uglier their personality got the less attractive they look?
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0000-glendaross-0000 Jul 10, 2006, 6:33pm EDT
Yes Sandy I have. Some people believe that we should be honored by their physical beauty, or being handsome. They leave nothing to society in contribution. In another respect I have met not so attractive people, but their personalities overwhelmed me with thoughts of how beautiful they are.
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Dolphi D. Jul 25, 2006, 8:42am EDT
Sandy – It is a great article that gives a closer and more personal look of what you really are behind the icon. Your articles have given me the impression that you are strong, intelligent, articulate, fair-minded, and do not tolerate nonsense.

The appearances can be deceptive. This article is so relevant to Gather icons, which can sometimes fog the mind while reading the thoughts.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jul 25, 2006, 2:45pm EDT
Thanks, Dolfi and Glenda.
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All done here Aug 9, 2006, 11:15am EDT
I wish that more people were as non-superficial as this.
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Auntie Smedley Aug 9, 2006, 12:27pm EDT
I like your icon, Sandy, as well as your reason for using it. I'm glad you don't use the standard "cleavage" shot or a glamour shot. In fact, that's one of the things that attracted me to you as a writer here.

Keep on fighting the good fight!
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Aug 9, 2006, 2:46pm EDT
Thanks, Scott and Auntie. I'm laughing at 'cleavage and glamour' shots, Auntie. I don't have Photoshop, so that would be impossible.
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Indigo Blue Sep 3, 2006, 2:00am EDT
I was glad to stumble across this, as I wondered why you chose the icon you did (after figuring out that it wasn't you). Although in a way, it is almost you isn't it? I'm glad I read your article and thank you for sharing it.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Sep 3, 2006, 2:03am EDT
Thank you, Indigo. It is me, in a way. I'm glad you enjoyed hearing the story behind Granny.
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Sonia M. Sep 16, 2006, 2:36pm EDT
Sandy, I knew I liked you from the beginning and it had nothing to do with the icon you use.....now, a comment from someone else brought me here to read this article and it shows the reason I instinctively liked you. Way to go for both you and your Granny!
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Sep 16, 2006, 2:39pm EDT
Thank you, Sonia. I like you, too, and appreciate this very much.
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Jeannie S. Sep 20, 2006, 3:17am EDT
I'm glad I found this posting... My final reading of the night, thank you Sandy! Your words Painted an even more beautiful image than I are ready had of you.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Sep 20, 2006, 3:30am EDT
Ahhh, thank you, Jeannie. Sweet dreams!
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Joan R. Sep 20, 2006, 11:27pm EDT
Sandy, I knew I loved you! your great-granny would be proud.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Sep 21, 2006, 1:14am EDT
Thank you, Joan, from Granny and me.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Oct 5, 2006, 4:43pm EDT
There's a lot of me in here, for sure, Victoria. Thanks for reading and commenting.
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roxanne m. Jan 11, 2007, 7:29am EST
Sandy, your article was very well-written. I love your avatar. The picture of your great-grandmother is beautiful. Society seems to think that beauty is reserved for the young, hence the wrinkle spackle and anti-aging marketing boom. IMHO, people are beautiful whether on the inside or outside. I know that I am nothing to look at, but inside, where it counts, I think that I shine a bit.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Jan 11, 2007, 12:19pm EST
Thanks, Roxanne and Vicky, for coming to read this. Now you know why I had to insert the link; my explanation is too much for a comment thread. Roxanne, you shine quite a bit, inside and out, in my opinion. And, Vicky, let me know when you publish your great-grandmother's story. I know there's more to that one than fits in a comment box, also.
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Jennifer F. Jan 11, 2007, 12:59pm EST