Gay Marriage is getting churchy folk worked up across the pond again I see.
When people of the same gender want to get married it causes a lot of bad feeling all around the English - speaking world world (except for Jamaica where there are no gay people apparently.) In Britain we have seen born again Christians occupying churches and disrupting the proceedings, in Australia all marriages between same gender couples have been declared void and in the U.S.A. the problem is considered so great that it is set to be an important election issue. But why do people get emotional over marriage; is it simply a case of self righteous eagerness to misquote the Bible without having read it properly or is there some deeper negative there? After all the whole basis of the Christian faith is tolerance and forgiveness.
The traditional view of marriage supported by most religionists is that it is a legal union of one man and one woman sanctified by God. That is fine with me so long as it suits both the individuals involved. It gets sticky however when certain groups start citing ancient scriptures in support of attempts to impose their moral prejudices on the rest of the community.
Traditional one man - one woman marriages have little to do with God in the Abrahamic religions. Too often the interpretations placed upon the Aramaic scriptures that form the basis of most of the Biblical tradition are subjective in the extreme. The model for marriage in western European civilisation with all the rights and responsibilities that go with the legal status never had any currency in the Middle East. Marriage as we know it seems to have originated in northern Europe in neolithic times. The pairing of a man and a woman established a family unit that could provide stability and security within the extended family group. Extended families formed into communities within which the old, disabled, orphaned children, widows and the sick were cared for by the group.
The writer Jean M. Auel in her excellent fiction series Earth's Children provides some well researched speculation on the nature of ancient communities from which our civilisation grew. There are no stone age communities surviving in Europe of course, but we can learn a lot from the cultures of Native Americans, the Inuit and the nomadic peoples of central Asia. Attitudes to fidelity vary from group to group but the principle of pairing aims to formalise responsibilities within a social structure. Without pressure from the group, young men would have run around spawning sprogs wherever they could (much as a lot of young men in our inner city communities do today.)
This pairing system worked so well that in the Celtic and Saxon eras it was extended to confer hereditary rights to property and status. This did not necessarily follow paternity, many cultures chose to confer on the female line the right of inheritance. Of course in pagan Europe women were honoured and respected as one would expect in a culture that worshipped a Goddess. The objectification of women as mere possessions to be used and traded is a promotion of the Abrahamic cultures of the eastern world.
Abrahamic religions, or perhaps we should call them misogyny cults because they are all based on fear and loathing of female sexuality, were bad news for women because marriage under the old eastern religion of Baal (actually a localised version of Hinduism but the people who wrote the scriptures were either too ignorant or too bigoted to recognise it) women had the right to own property, do business and marry whom they chose. Suddenly though, women were vilified, denounced as being defiled and in a state of sin due to the natural functioning of their bodies. Not only that, they were not allowed any control over their own lives and were reduced to being the property of a man. Christian, Muslim or Jewish marriage is a bum deal for the girls.
I get really angry when fundamentalists of any persuasion start waving their Holy Book around as if these documents gave any respectability to doctrines of hatred. So can we take a look at what the Bible actually says about marriage "the sacred union of one man and one woman in the eyes of God" (Let's be honest here, The Koran does not bother with the eyewash, it sets out its position clearly, virtually saying "OK boys, you can have as many women as you can afford and you can do as you like with them.) It is not unfair to restrict this analysis to the Bible though, because the problems surrounding gay marriage only seem to exist in places where Christianity is the main religion.
Are you ready? If you are a Bible literalist it would perhaps be best if you sit down now, you might soon start to feel faint.
A marriage, according to the Bible, may be between one man and several women. Genesis 29, v 17 - 28: 2 Samuel 3, v 2 - 5 (that David was a really busy boy)
Nor does the Biblical view of marriage impede us boys having a bit on the side. 2 Samuel 5, v 13 (David again - didn't I see this guy on the Jerry Springer show?): 1 Kings 11 v 3: 2 Chronicles 11 v 18 - 21:
So us guys are at liberty to put ourselves about a bit, none of us will have any complaints there but what about the girls. Well ladies, even if you behave yourselves you are not in the clear (Deuteronomy 22, v 13 - 21) makes a number of points including: "A marriage will only be considered valid if the wife is a virgin, if she is not a virgin she will be executed." But surely all a girl has to do is follow that silver ring thing stuff and she will be an honoured and respected wife. You think so? The same verses in Deuteronomy
state quite clearly "if a man takes a wife and goes in to her and detests her and charges her with shameful conduct and says "I took this woman and found she was not a virgin….." it then falls to the girls parents to prove she was a virgin. The legal flaw here of course is that if the man does not penetrate the woman, simply calling into question whether sex took place can be taken as proof of the woman's crime, ("Your honour I did not screw her because I didn't fancy her and decided she was not a virgin,") and just cause for her to be stoned to death simply because she has small boobs or bad breath or something.
Fundamentalists like to tell us that divorce is against their faith (why spend money on divorce lawyers when its so easy to have an unfaithful wife stoned to death?) but actually it is only women who cannot divorce their husbands. But not only can a man divorce his wife but (Deuteronomy again, 24 v 1;) he can even refuse to show her any humanity if her life falls apart. It seems that when a man divorces a woman because "he detests her" then to take her back is an abomination before God. Now there is a passage in Mark that contradicts this by stating that once married people can never be divorced but the problem there is that if the Bible is to be taken literally then it must ALL be taken literally, contradictions included. The Bible itself tells us that we humans cannot understand God, and so for some preacher to say "ah but you see what God really meant….." is out of line. We do not have a clue what God really meant and I suspect he had little idea himself as he has never had to deal with the pressures of modern society.
Fortunately we do not take the advice of the Bible quite so seriously now as they did in nineteenth century Britain (and I guess it was the same around the rest of the Christian world.) Until about 1870 a woman could not divorce her husband on any grounds, nor was she permitted to own property independently or make any decision without hubby's consent. Men could not commit adultery against their wives, the offence was against the husband of a married lover; they were permitted to beat their wives to a pulp, play away from home, be tightfisted with money, pick their noses, read aloud bad poetry and fart in bed and the wife had no redress; it truly was a man's world yet all such unreasonable behaviour is condoned in the Bible. And President Bush and his advisors in the White House want to go back to these Biblical strictures.
Now people might think that having previously been quite honest about the fact that during my thirty year marriage I have strayed from some of the vows more than once I would be glad to have my behaviour exonerated or even to find my marriage is invalid (I always knew that, I had my fingers crossed at the altar) But I do love my wife and would be most reluctant to have her stoned to death for non - virginity. So on this question as on most others I do think the ancient pagan tribes had it right. Love each other, tolerate and forgive the failings of others and once two people make a personal commitment they should work out their own rules that both can live by. Get religion out of the picture and there will be more successful relationships. No rules, no expectations except those the individuals are prepared to commit to. And because the enlightened secular humanists of prehistory were so humane and civilised we can follow their example and have a system of marriage contract in which both partners legally accept certain responsibilities. Gender need not be anything to do with it.
All human beings are capable of accepting responsibility but when did you ever know God to accept responsibility for anything?
In the face of these arguments it is clear that secular marriage contracts need not be specifically heterosexual, in fact the Christian model of heterosexual marriage looks to be totally discredited. For that reason I cannot help but wonder why so many gays want to get married. All a good relationship needs is a personal commitment, mutual trust and understanding and a will to adapt to the idiosyncrasies of another person. With those qualities, enough in common to permit meaningful conversation and the grace to still like each other after a bad row people have the basis for a long lasting relationship. Anything else is just superstitious mumbo - jumbo and commercial exploitation. But if a couple want a religious ceremony and can find a church willing to co-operate then it is nothing to do with anybody else. The legal side of it should present no obstacle; people who have shared a home and held a joint bank account can surely organise the division of property between partner and family. So the problem all seems to rest on the fact that so many churches claim to be the one true church of God, the only one qualified to speak on his behalf. This alone should be enough to prove the case for getting religion out of the marriage contracts altogether.
Perhaps the gay community need a wake up call, we used to look to them for a lead in iconoclasm, non - conformity and rebelling against the status quo, why do so many now want to pick up much of the baggage that goes with being straight? After all, if gay rights campaigns only seek to make gays more like heterosexuals then what is the point? So come on guys, you don't have to conform. Live "in sin" like so many of us hets do these days.
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Comments: 17
One small quilbble...there are legal reasons for "marriage." Property rights, child custody, pensions, etc.
My feeling has long been that the advocates for gay "marriage" made a tactical error in using that word. Call it a 'civil union' or something, and a lot of the visceral opposition from all but the most dyed-in-wool extremists would evaporate. Of course, no church is required ot marry anybody they don't want to, and that's okay, I guess, although I would argue that if they discriminate against gays, they should lose their tax-exempt status.
But that is another whole issue that I addressed here.
I do, though, want to address something you wrote:
> I cannot help but wonder why so many gays want to get married.
I think I can answer that...
Gays want the same rights the rest of us have when we get married. They want to be able to comfort and make decisions for their loved ones when ill or in hospital; they want rights of survival after their loved one dies; they want the same respect for their children as straight couples have for their kids; they want to be covered by their partners' health insurance plan (if they're l;ucky enough to have one). But most of all - they want to be treated just like everyone else!
In other words, they want to be treated failry and with respect and have the same rights as everyone else in their society. Personally I couldn't agree with them more.
Changing the constitution to legislate discrimination against a particuar group is the folly. That's what I can't understand. If this jewish carpenter guy Jesus were alive today he wouldn't be preaching hatred, fear, and discrimination against anyone. That's how perverted the religionists have made their brand of Christianity.
What a cryin' shame!
There's so much to admire. Style, of course. But then there's the sheen of research. Facts sound like facts that have been researched. There's too much particularity for it to be otherwise. So your stuff has some character of lecture. Of teaching. And I want to believe it. You seem so down to earth. So ready to face reality and call it funny names. Not take it too seriously. In my book, you are ready for prime time.
Cheers.
Jim
On the nail with your comment. In Britain we now have a legal status of civil union and I do believe if American gays campaingned for something similar a lot of resistance would be hard to justify. When the word "marriage" come into play it really allows religious interests to set the agenda.
In most north european countries including France, Sweden and Germany a religious marriage is not deemed legal unless it is backed up by a civil union.
I understand why gays want the same rights but but knowing what I do of the deeply embedded religiosity of middle American society it seems to me that going head to head with such a powerrful interest group is not going to get anybody anywhere. A little subtlety can achieve much more.
Thanks, I've been ready for prime time for years but unfotunately prime time does not love disabled people. I never try to teach or preach though, just to make people examine their attitudes.
Thanks for you comments (especially Sandy who keeps me here when I feel like withdrawing to my mountain stronghold in Northern England)
Some of you have noticed that I am not always as reasoned as I could be when making a point. That is a great tradition of British writing and often when we look across the pond we wonder at the lengths to which liberal opinion will go in order to avoid upsetting everybody. Which of course leaves the field wide open for the rabid right who clearly feel that anybody who disagrees with them has no right to continue living.
So I am trying to encourage American liberals to be a bit more robust and militant in their debating style.
Come on guys, let's go for it.
Ian
A plug for liberals who have a spiritual bent--get the book The Left Hand of God by Rabbi Michael Lerner. Good stuff and it clarifies some stances on how to take back the moral goodness from the Right who think they have a corner on it and let everyone know that they do.
Now there's a prospect.
Welcome to my network of connections BTW.
Gay people want marriage, I think, for two reasons: one is that it is simply a civil right granted to straight people and denied them solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. Sort of a last bastion of the civil rights fight. Then there are the legal issues, of course. In American law, there are about 60,000 separate rights and opportunities granted to married people, but only 1,500 granted to people with "civil unions." Now, arguably you could go through all of the law and change those 60,000 rights, but it does seem to make more sense to just make gay marriage legal.
There's also the issue of cultural validation. Some need it, some don't. This is where the battle is met.
Sometimes I feel like withdrawing to your mountain stronghold, and I already live in the mountains. You've written a valuable article, Ian.
Fundies...I'm going to steal that word.