When Records Ruled : Turntables
George Corneliussen
Turntable: ( the round, revolving platform of a phonograph upon which records are placed )
Record : ( a disk or cylinder used on a phonograph. A record plays the sounds copied on its very small grooves. )
In 1982, Sony introduced the first commercially available compact disc player, the CDP 101. This unit sold for $900. Since then, an entire generation has grown up listening to recorded music being played on compact discs.
For the better part of one hundred years prior to the invention of the compact disc, the state-of-the-art form of recorded music available commercially was the phonograph record. The device used to play a phonograph record was commonly referred to as a "turntable".
In recent years, a growing number of music listeners have been refocusing their attention on phonograph records as an alternative to the compact discs as the preferred choice when it comes to listening to recorded music. The reasons for this vary, the most common one being that "records" offer a more pleasing listening experience.
While new turntables are available for purchase, because they represent a small percentage of the market, new turntables are not mass produced and therefore are often quite expensive ( $300 to $600 range). For those interested, used turntables are available from a variety of sources from music stores to thrift stores. Many of these turntables are excellent, but there are also those to be avoided. Prices on used turntables vary, depending of the source.
My personal turntable collection consists of five high-quality turntables. My total investment in all five is under $80. The total retail value of these five turntables, if they were bought new on today's market, would run in the $1600 range.
Needless to say, buying a turntable used makes the idea of " playing records" affordable to almost anyone. But how do you tell if a used turntable is a gem or a lemon ? Good question.
Most people remember 1977 as the beginning of the end of Disco music. Few people remember that 1977 was also the apex of the development of the turntable as a state-of-the-art form of reproducing recorded music.
The November 1977 editon of "High Fidelity" magazine featured eleven ads for top-of-the-line turntables by various manufactures. Any one of these turntables ( in working order) could be purchased used today in the $10 to $50 range. ( cartridges and needles for turntables are available for sale at all major music stores, thanks to the popularity of Hip-Hop music. Prices start as low as $40.)
Below are the turntables featured in the 1977 "High Fidelity" magazine along with a brief description of each.

Lenco (Swiss made)( models numbers: L-133,L-236,L-830DD,L-833DD )

Sony ( model number PS-X7 ) ( direct drive )

Technics ( model numbers SL-1600,SL-1700,SL-1800 ) (all direct drive )

Dual ( model 781 ) electronic direct drive

Phillips ( model numbers : GA 437,GA 406,GA 312,GA 222 )

Empire ( model 698 )

JVC ( model JL-F50 )

Fisher ( model MT 6225 ) ( platter removed )

BIC ( model number not given )

BSR (model Quanta 550 )

ADC Accutrac+6 ( this turntable's claim-to-fame was the fact that it could play up to 6 records and drop each record "safely" with the use of a "computer-assisted" screw-like device. The dropping mechanism was worthless, but the turntable itself was pretty good.)
* These turntables sold for between $150 to $300 in 1977 dollars. You should be able to buy any one of them used for next to nothing.
* My personal favorites are the Technics turntables.


Comments: 89
I don't think records provide a better listening expeience. It's a reverse reward system: the more you love the record, the faster it wears out. Incentive to purchase a new one I suppose, but that's just not possible for most of my collection.
What I miss are the album covers. Sure, CD's have these mini-graphics and teeny tiny booklets, but it just ain't the same. How awesome is it to open the original Yessongs album, with cover art by Roger Dean, and actually see the little kitty footprints going across the center spread, where the artist's cat walked on it?
Or the original The Who's Tommy (not the movie soundtrack) with all of it's teeny tiny illustrations?
Or the original Rolling Stone's Sticky Fingers album, complete with zipper?
Thanks for this! Great memories!
On the subject of clicks,pops, and scratches. There is actually a computer program available that will insert "clicks and pops" into digital music to give it the sound of a record.
There is also a program that adds the "hiss" records had to digital tracks. Users of this program claim this adds warmth to the digital tracks.
JVC put out some decent turntables.
Go to any large music store ( Sam Ash etc. ) they will have a needle or cartridge for your turntable.
I agree on the album covers. I often flip through my record collection just to look at the covers.
Someday, I'll have to do an article on album covers I have tons of the classics and many not-so-classics that are also great art.
Hey man I have one these artifacts, theTechnics (model number SL-1600)!!!! I still spins my ole Sixties' tunes, I'll bring it into the Ole Hippie's Corner later today.
Thanks for your memory jogging contribution to OHC!
Cheers,
Colonel Possum
" 'Will it go round in circles ?" Evidently, the answer is yes.
Best burn your collection onto a hard drive. Word is burnt CDs have a two to five year life span max.
Did you tape a nickel to the tone arm ?
I have three Technics turntables. I like them very much.
PS: someone should film a documentry on WBRS's record collection.
Thanks for the tip. Actually, I have multiple copies of my collection on CDs plus two different hard drives already. Plus, a good percentage of them are on my iPod at any one time.
there's the difference in our age, george - i was in 7th grade in '77...
good stuff, bud!
Records ain't got no age.
Good deal. Sounds like you're on top of the situation. I'm actually thinking of getting a huge hard drive strictly for musical storage. From what I've read, it's the bearing that the disk spins on where the money is in a good hard drive. Cheap drives have cheap bearings. If the bearing burns out your disk is dead.
Couldn't live without my turntable.
My son and his friends took over the family Girad(sp) and all the LP's
I just purchased a late 1950's table top console that plays 45, 33 and 78 for $20 and found needles (2 sided shank) on ebay.
Fun!
Great post George
Yet another great nostalgic trip, George: thanks.
After all, "vinyl is final." (A phrase I found on my copy of UTOPIA's Adventures in Utopia, one of my lost vinyl children.)
A nice look back. My record collection is back in use thanks to the new turntable/cd/radio my wife picked up at Best Buy for $100. I never had a fantastic turntable, so I've been astonished at how good my records sound on this one. I had all but given up on ever listening to them again.
Thanks for this article, George. !!! You are so knowledgeable and are bringing back an important era to Gather.
Keep'er goin'. Remember, " Spinnin' is winnin' "
Don't underestimate how much fun diggin' your Technics out and firin' it up might be. ( * For best results, try it on a warm summer morning with the windows open. )
As I remember it, some Marantz models were really good and some were not so good. The Pioneer turntables are from the same school of engineering as the Technics, which means they are good.
Your old Garrard is probably a workhorse. They were built like tanks.
I have one. It's one of the two turntables I use to play 78's.
Your 50's console sounds like a ton of fun.
Somewhere, buried in my "stuff" is a picture of an LP in a pizza box.
I still have four Gene Autry 78's. Back around 1964 my mom and dad bought a Sears Silvertone console stereo. The speakers were on the sides of it, so there was nowhere you could sit and hear the stereo effect. I still chuckle when I think of that stereo.
I have an old Ampeg guitar amp with vacuum tubes that I've had since 1970. For years, in my staving artist days, it was what I played my records through. I remember it as sounding great.
The cold probably didn't hurt your records. If anything did, it would be the heat of summer. But, you never know they might be fine. As soon as you pull one out of the box you'll know. If they look like one of Salvador Dali's melting watch pictures you're in trouble.
Even friends who get old are still friends.
Sad tale pal. If you ever where inclinde to "spin platters" again. Now is the time. You can still get a second-hand setup going for next to nothing.
Yesterday, while cruising a local Goodwill for records, I noticed that it was 50% off day. I could have picked up a decent Pioneer tuner/amp for $12.50.
Ah, so you're my competition. Happy hunting.
Sorry to hear that. Maybe someday you'll find a few of your old friends again.
Like a fine wine, they get better with age.
Thanks, I approach the CD versus LP debate from the " Make new friends, but keep the old ones" point of view.
Thanks pal.
I have a friend named Clem, who collects old windup record players. He even has a few cylinder players. They are the ultimate wind up toy.
I thought some people may be interested in how to convert records to digital files for CDs or iPods, even if they intend to keep their turntables. The first of a series of articles on how I did this is here:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976753807
But I'll repeat the comment I just made on Eric's article, and why I can't look at his collection. I once sold a whole box of about 50 albums at a yard sale for $10! Most were in perfect condition, and included several Beatles albums (including the White Album and Sgt Pepper), Moody Blues, The Guess Who, The Who, Rare Earth, Peter Paul and Mary, Sinatra, Carol King, Cricklewood Green, Styx, Eagles, Queen...should I go on????
One thing I can say for sure, records did rule! CDs are better, but I would take records and turntables over cassette and 8 track tapes any day!!
This is a GREAT idea. Anything that inspires the use, retention, and sharing of music has my blessing. Go for it !
Ah. the "lost platters of life" I once lent a DJ copy of the Beatles single
" Love Me Do" to someone, and never saw it again.
As they used to say in the cartoons " Eech-Ouch-Ooch !"
The era of the "Stereo Wars" could probably be the subject of a hit movie or book.
If you can hold off until you visit the U.S. , the savings will probably be huge.
Do you "cue- up" pizzas when you eat them ?
Wow, sounds like a system that had quite a bit to say. The kind of system that took the listener away when it was played.
Great comment. I agree. One of my favorite past times is messing with the EQ of the old analog dinasaur the 78 RPM record. Strictly by manipulating the frequency response of the analog signal and using a wonderful piece of equipment I have called a " Pioneer RG Dynamic Processor RG-2 "
( basically it's an uncompressor) I am constantly amazed at how much fidelity can be squeezed out of records 70,80,or 90 years old.
oh shit....
They're still floating around , if you're so inclided. Cheap fun !
If you ever do get the urge to re-record, don't foget your local thrift store as source for the turntable,and your local music store as the source for the needle.
And for those interested, you can find an amazing record selection by going to your local thrift store.
Thanks for stopping by. I'm agree 100% about records in the thrift stores. I've found mint-conditon classics for as little as $1.
You can still buys cartridges and styluses at all the major music stores ( Like Sam Ash ). LPs are still real popular with the hip-hop kids and so the major music stores still sell turntables and styluses.
You should know that if you are transferring your LPs over to CDs, a major study came out of Germany last year that found that CDs you burn at home only last about five years, then they start to get quirky when you play them.
You should back up you CDs by keep a copy on a hard drive.
I agree, I've also bought great "older" turntables at thrift stores for around $25 that work great.
I recently bought a Nakamichi LX-3 cassette deck that sold new in 83 for around $600 for $8 about a month ago. It looks, works and sounds great.
PS: I used to have a mono copy of "Between The Buttons".
How cool ! There is a nursing home not far from where I live. Once a month I play 78's there for the residents. I don't know who has more fun, them or me .
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Plus, many "used" record/CD stores carry new records/vinyl and have for several years. The larger stores, even B.......... (which I loathe) have been known to carry them occasionally.
Stranger than fiction. I have records that still sound great from the 50's (before I was born). There are store bought CD's that deteriorated in less than 5 years and CD-R's in less than 2 years! Complete losses! And hard drives... ...anything that spins around several thousand times a minute will fail. It's not a matter of if, only when. And remember CD (worse) MP3's rely on sampling rates. The very essence of a sampling rate means that some or large chunks of the original audio signal is thrown out to make it fit the format - then an algorithm guesses what was originally there when the format is played back and it's different every time. Things that make you go hmmm... Don't take my word for it... check it out. I do believe I'll keep my vinyl on the shelf, or better yet, keep buying the vinyl other people get rid of ;-)
Great comment. I agree with everything you say. I defintely still get great pleasure from my record collection and do belive they are here to stay.
Most of the big music stores ( the kind that guitars,drums, etc. ) still sell cartridges and needles.
I've seen the new ones and have always wondered about replacement needles so maybe after all this info, I can venture out and buy one.
My vinyls sit in my closet, looking sad & lonely....just waiting to relive their heyday.