Most of the great nations, civilizations, and empires of history have had trajectories like a fireworks rocket. They burst upon the scene…the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and more recently, the Mayans and Aztecs. The Spanish and British empires dominated more recent centuries. In the Twentieth Century, two great superpowers emerged…the Soviets and of course we, the Americans.
The Soviets' trajectory was short-lived, dying in a great collapse in the 1990's, leaving us, the United States, as the dominant superpower, an example for other nations to emulate to achieve economic prosperity and peace.
But somewhere back in the Seventies, maybe, it all started to come apart. Jimmy Carter saw it coming…the reliance on imported oil to feed our gargantuan hunger for the "good life." And then the disappearance of the great American Middle Class…those blue-collar workers who made our nation the great manufacturing dynamo that helped rescue the world from the catastrophic events of World War II.
There is no doubt in my mind that the glory days of the United States are in our past. The great blossoming of the fireworks at the top of the trajectory is well behind us. There may be an occasional shimmer of our past glory, but from here and now, it is all downhill.
I consider myself to be extraordinarily fortunate to have lived during this period of American hegemony. I was born in 1936. America was already a world power then, but we ascended to superpower status during World War II. Without us, the outcome would have been quite different, and Hitler and the Third Reich might well have dominated for the thousand years that they foretold. But we were the great Arsenal of Democracy, an unstoppable, unconquerable force. Then, after the war, George Marshall, one of the greatest statesmen and visionaries our nation has produced, conceived of a plan to help Europe recover and rebuild as free democratic societies. Who knows what tyrannies might have risen without his vision?
That was our apogee. We were the beacon of economic prosperity, and democratic ideals. The world owes us much for our efforts then. Of course Russia also rose to prominence, and the Cold War dominated world politics for the next 40 years. And then Russia imploded, leaving us unchallenged as the dominant military, economic, social and cultural force on this earth.
But even before Russia imploded, cracks were showing in the Great American Dream. We were already importing huge quantities of oil to feed our insatiable thirst, and wasting it in gas-guzzler cars and in innumerable other ways. We were running huge budget and trade deficits. Carter saw this and tried to change our path, to conserve and develop alternate energy sources. But he was stymied by the very forces that brought us to greatness…implacable, unstoppable capitalism.
I have mixed feelings about all of this…gratitude, regret, anger, guilt…and sadness.
Gratitude. First, and most important, I feel incredibly fortunate to have been born in 1936, near the apogee of the American Trajectory. I have witnessed the triumph of our WWII victory, although I was only nine in 1945, too young to appreciate the magnitude of the events of "VJ Day" and "VE Day."
The years that followed were memorable, with the resurgence of the American economy, and the advance in living standards of all Americans. We drove huge cars, built big houses, lived high, wide and handsome lives. It was great, and even though my parents were poor farmers, life was good in the forties and fifties when I was growing up.
With the oil embargo in the seventies, some of the chickens came home to roost. Gas lines, astronomical inflation and interest rates…the stock market meltdown that lasted for many years. Stagflation. Some people started talking about the "era of limits." Maybe we couldn't go on consuming and borrowing forever. We elected a president named Jimmy Carter. He saw the problem, and said that this was the greatest threat the nation had faced since WWII. We needed to break our oil habit. He started a number of alternate energy programs, and the CAFÉ…Corporate Average Fuel Economy…was born. Maybe it was too much, too fast. Detroit built abominable cars…gutless, gasping atrocities that could barely get down the road. It was as if the auto manufacturers were saying, "Okay, you want economy, we'll give you economy." And then they built the worst cars they could conceive of.
Carter only lasted one term, and Reagan quickly torpedoed all those alternate energy programs and got us back to total oil dependence and huge trade and budget deficits.
Regret. If we had followed Carter's plan and broken our "oil habit" way back then in the seventies, where would we be today? We would probably not have engaged in two wars in the Middle East, and would not have troop presence there now. And maybe, Al Qaeda would never have been born, and Muslim fanatics would be terrorizing their own people, not us. Maybe we wouldn't have the horrendous national debt that we have accumulated over the past thirty years, paying for wars, oil imports and all sorts of other activities like the Patriot Act, which we might not have needed at all.
But there's no use crying over what might have been. Those decisions were made a long time ago, and none of us stood up in protest and told Reagan to get stuffed, that Carter was right and we needed to change our wasteful ways and live within our means.
Anger. Our leaders should have seen this coming. Carter saw it. But Reagan, Nixon, Ford, Clinton…nobody did anything about the runaway train that was about to become a train wreck that was going to bring down our nation. I blame all those leaders, and I blame "We the People" for not making enough noise. We all knew. Carter waved it in our face. We have no excuse.
Capitalism is a wonderful tool for exploiting resources and creating wealth. But no tool is perfect, and the strength of capitalism is also its weakness. In the unending quest for more and bigger profits, capitalism is…myopic. It doesn't look down the road very far. What are the earnings for the next quarter? That's the big question. Running out of oil in twenty years? That's somebody else's problem. I gotta worry about the next quarterly earnings report.
I read Jared Diamond's book, "Collapse" recently. In the 1700's, the rulers of Japan noticed that the forests of that country were disappearing rapidly. Erosion and degradation of the land were rampant. The Shogun issued an edict. No more cutting of trees. Period. Today, 70% of Japan is covered by forests! The land is rich and productive, erosion is under control, the soils are healthy. That would never happen here. Didn't happen here. We had infinitely more forests than Japan, and they are mostly gone. What remains is under severe attack at the moment by lumber, mining and oil drilling interests that have immense influence with the current administration. Why do they have influence? They give huge sums to them for "campaign contributions." But it's really just legalized bribery. I have a lot of anger about that.
Guilt. Yes, I feel some guilt. I have been the beneficiary of all that "cheap" energy. I have traveled all over the world in energy-intensive jet planes, and hedonistic, wasteful cruise ships. Even people like me, of modest means, have been able to do that. Fifty years from now, jet travel and cruise ships will be the exclusive right of the very rich if they exist at all. Maybe less than fifty…maybe only twenty years from now, jet flight will be horrendously expensive. Not much later, commercial airlines will be a distant memory. Business travel will be "virtual," via the Internet and teleconferencing. Tourism, the biggest business on the planet will be extinct. I was one of the "big spenders" that made this happen.
Sadness. When I let myself think about it, I am greatly depressed. Fifty years ago, we were the greatest and most powerful nation on earth. In fifty short years, we managed to blow it. Oh, it will take awhile for before the reality hits us. I may not live long enough to see the ultimate decline of the United States to third-world status, but it's coming, as surely as the next earthquake or hurricane. It's only a matter of when, not if. But it's excruciating to realize that there were decisions we could have made that would have postponed our fall for a long time, maybe indefinitely. That is very sad, indeed.


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Have you read "Guns Germs and Steel," DIamond's book that preceded "Collapse?" It's the other side of the coin. It deals with how societies developed, and why certain ones...those that started on the Eurasian continent, dominated and conquered the others.. It's Equally fascinating.
Candida,
I have been thinking about writing this one for a long time. It just had to come out.
I think I see a link between the rate of advancement in technologies and the overall decline in human productivity. We are getting lazier and lazier. Myself included.
This young generation has had most of the thinking done for them by the older generation. The old timers desired to see their young progeny struggle less, sacrifice less. Which is why they worked harder and we reaped the benefits of their hard work and sacrifice but have had not the opportunity to fully understand what the sacrifices were, and what the work entailed. As a result, some of us will be unprepared for the fallout arising from lack of experience in decision-making, information and leadership skills.
Selflessness, strong morals and ethics and dedication are some of the factors which led to our significance to the world (owing to the success of the humanistic ideology of the Founding Fathers), and quite possibly the history of mankind. It will take people possessing these characteristics to lead us back to the position we could have occupied were we less greedy, less apathetic, more responsible and more willing to be more knowledgeable. . .
I think I had it a lot easier when I was working. I'm sure glad I'm not still in the rat race today!
Oh wait...not just yet...we have the power to change!
It is up to us to feed our children's minds and bodies. It is up to us to turn off the TV's, tear up People magazine, it is up to us to slow our consumption, it is up to us to help the infirm, take care of our aged, house, feed and clothe our week. It is up to us to force the unproductive to become productive, It is up to us to believe in ourselves and not some silly religion, ineffective political party or new soap opera.
It is now up to us to take care of our own.
Support Capitalism but condemn out of control greed.
restructure, rebuild, rejuvonate.
WE HAVE THE POWER...BUT DO WE HAVE THE BALLS AND STREGNTH?
I think we do, I hope we do.
We are now at the tipping point within the next decade we need to change direction of the United States or just bring on the Kool-Aid.
Absolutely right, and I agree that the critical time is approaching.
And Bruce, I'm with you 100%...
I don't have a problem with not being a super power--in a global civilization that the world is becoming, it's appropriate to share responsibilities and benefits. But I do mourn the destruction, waste, harm and lost opportunities that our selfishness and short-sightedness have wrought and fear their effect on the future.
Here's a quote from "The Prophet," by Kahlil Gibran I found on my computer this morning that may have some relevance. "You have been told that, even like a chain, you are as weak as your weakest link. This is but half the truth. You are also as strong as your strongest link."
America has a HUGE impact on the world economy. Our policies dictate what everybody else does. We've allowed ourselves to be sold on unregulated captialism and are frittering away our security, balance of wealth in society and our national future for the short term benefit of a very few. Given the poll numbers America is waking to that knowledge. The answer is political. We must create the enviornment where captialism serves government, hense the people, instead of the mess today where government serves captialism.
The trouble is, Democracy doesn't lend itself to this. It seems to me that we never address an issue until it is a crisis. The current bunch in power never wants to make any hard choices...they want to leave it to their successors, and so it goes, ad infinitum. We need some leaders who have the courage and vision to take a longer view, and maybe even suggest that the current generation might have to make some sacrifices to ensure the long term viability of the nation...and the world. Where do we find such people?
And probably for our prodigious waste of the earth's resources!
Thanks, Larry for your kind remarks.
Ah, the Tattoo in Edinburgh. I was in Edinburgh and went up to the castle where it is held, but it was a little too early in the season. Performances had not yet started.. We have s Scottixh Festival here in Orange County, CA with Highland Games competitions, bagpipe performances, and booths selling all sorts of Scot paraphernalia. Great fun!
We need to rekindle some old-fashioned guilt! Religions are very good at this. If we could get a national guilt complex going, the world might have a chance. (grin)
And I love being able to agree with Bruce again. I hope we do, too.
A shame our leaders are so wrapped up in
their own success stories that they are
incapable of responding to honest (and
chilling) assessments of where we are,
where we are going, and where we have
been. President Carter indeed offers a
contrast.
I'll raise a point.
Several years ago, the Republicans, as
part of the pendulum swing (apparently)
had this mission to reform what I will
characterize, for better or worse, as
a reformation of this monopolistic
behemoth in Washington. I'd include
not only the culture of corruption but
such out of control organizations as
the Federal Trade Commission, the
Food and Drug, HRC, and the Dept.
of Commerce, all of which should be
looked at in terms of bureaucratic
tyranny. The current admin, of course,
dumped all that and we are back into
the State Department and Defense
Department, towering deficits and
soaring national debt.
So, one of my concerns is, what ever
happened to that seemingly well
founded conservative mandate?
I had something of an epiphany a while back directly related to something I was reading on Gather: Fiscally and 'governmentally' speaking, I think I lean toward traditional conservatism (though, not what I would call 'heavily'). Socially, I lean WAY toward the liberal side. This government offends me SO INTENSELY because the are the antithesis of my own leanings.
Fiscally and governmentally, the Bush administration is anything BUT aligned with traditional conservatism. In the history of our country, there has never been an administration that was MORE about spending-run-amok, and pandering to special interests. They are just spending on different things, and pandering to different groups than the Dems-of-old.
And socially, I get the sense that these people woulbe be more than happy to 'legislate' public acces to information, and even thought, if they could.
Frightening...
Selfishness and Greed are the Scylla and Charybdis in this picture, too. There are many examples. Here in New England, a proposed windmill turbine construction off the Massachusetts coast has been all but killed by interests who would prefer that electricity come from its present non-renewable and polluting resources. Meanwhile, the rich landowners of waterfront property (including the Kennedys!) have opposed it as well, arguing it will sully up the beautiful view as they yacht off the coast.
You want to talk about sullying up beauty? Consider the slippery slope we're on vis-a-vis greenhouse effect emissions, etc. And how Detroit continues to churn out huge cars and watch as the Japanese take the hybrid market. Why, in fact, does even Toyota drag its feet on the plug-in hybrid -- a vast improvement even on the present Prius? They've decided that America would never plug in its cars overnight in the garage?
Ah, but that's energy too. Electricity again. But you'd think that the great minds working on bombs and war technology could be put to use on a different front -- the war on energy waste and dependency, esp. via wind and water and solar power.
Thanks for doing your part with this article.
Ooops! Thanks for the correction on Russia vs. USSR. There are a few other things that I'm not happy with in this piece. I was in a bit too much of a hurry to post it, I guess. I don't publish often, and have said several times that I favor quality over quantity. Mea Culpa.
I agree. This administration labels itself "compassionate conservative."
Orwell would have understood completely. A perfect example of doublethink. They are the antithesis of that, neither compassionate nor conservative in any sense of either word.
I love the very personal view of our U.S. you have presented.
I am very worried, but not ready to throw in the towel, there is too much at stake. I have children, and now a grandchild. I will continue to fight as long as I can.
Donald that is so right! I think the saddest thing I am now witnessing is people who voted for this group now shocked, even disgusted, but very reluctant to admit they were wrong.
Edward,
I can't believe an intelligent person such as your self didn't understand "reform" meant shaping those agencies to the agenda of the conservatives and properly rewarding the new recruits, the religious conservatives. Political corruption is probably a constant, but the results and outcomes for certain groups does swing back and forth.
Is that MSU Michigan State University? Go Spartans!
Oooops...I'm a Wolverine.
Of course I know who Herb Caen is (was). I am flattered to be mentioned in the same sentence with him, but I am hardly in his class. He was a great writer.
I believe that I am more optimistic than you are about the future for our country. I have faith that the people of our country will wake up to the need for good government. Things tend to go in cycles and the last 6 years have been ones where there has been an emphasis on less government. And the current administration in the Washington has certainly shown what a mess can be made no matter what the intentions.
I believe that what our country needs is better government to do that long-range planning for our country's safety and security. We need better leaders who have the vision and smarts to give our country a positive direction. I believe that if Al Gore had won the election in 2000 our country would be headed in the right direction – taking our American ingenuity and applying it to improving our environment and reducing our reliance on oil. I am hoping that things will change for the better with the next few elections and move our country in a different direction. We have a huge number of talented, intelligent people in our country and that resource can be tapped to change our future for the better. With the right leaders in place, that can happen.
Helen
I hope you get thousands of hits on this article, and at least five hundred comments lauding your courage and insight as I do now.
I certainly hope you are right. I think that the financial damage is done, but we can probably recover from that, although we will not be the rich nation that we were, and our global power will be reduced accordingly. That may be a good thing. We will be forced to seek consensus before embarking on military actions. The world does not need even one superpower.
I feel very, very bad for the families who have lost loved ones in this misbegotten war.
Diana,
I agree. We could not have MORE at stake than the survival or our nation, and I believe that is the current situation.
Jessie,
Yup, all of us need to spread the word as much as we can.
What happened to the enthusiam of the young for environmental conerns, what happened to conservation efforts? What happened to the hopefulness that all our children will benefit from our good fortune?
So sad, so sad.
As Nancy says, Carter will not be viewed as a great president because he was pretty ineffective at getting things done in Washington. But he did have the correct vision on the national energy problem, and his activities since he left office have shown him to be a man of great energy, compassion and conviction. A great president, no. A great and good man, yes.
I'm not deploring rap music (although I hate it). That's a trivial problem. I'm concerned about the radical swing to the right our government...and apparently a lot of our citizens...are taking, and the apathy of too many citizens toward the approaching world and national catastrophes caused by the combination of nuclear proliferation, terrorism, religious fanaticism and environmental degradation. The culprits, in my view, are rapacious capitalism and religious fundamentalism. If we survive as a nation it will be because we learn to rein in and control those two corrosive elements.
With so many choices on Gather these days, I know that whenever I read one of your articles it will be both informative and thought provoking, with quality comments to boot. Thank you for that!
I am not an eloquent person when it comes to speaking on current political matters. However, I am an old-fashioned "do-er" when it comes to issues which I think are important to me.
My husband and I have done our best to teach our 4 children through example. We live beneath our means. We recycle and drive economy cars. We teach empathic rather than judgemental behavior, and give back to our community through volunteer work. We vote and take our children to the polls with us so that they can witness the process first hand. (My husband is a Republican, and I am Independent) We have also shown them the wisdom in listening to more than one viewpoint on issues before deciding where we stand on a given subject, even if we find ourselves reacting emotionally to what is being presented. We stress the importance of determining facts before decision making. We make a point of admitting when we are wrong about something, taking ownership for our error, and doing our best to correct the situation openly.
We certainly are not perfect, or remarkable people - we simply have not given up on teaching the fundamental skills we feel each adult should be equipped with. There are many others like us out there, and I hope that our numbers will grow.
Thank you again for writing such a fine article - and I sincerely hope you seek to publish this in a wider reaching media so that other's can take note of your message as well.
You and your husband represent the kind of responsible, informed and involved citizenshp and "parentship" that the country lacks, to a great extent. Your discussion of involving your children in your actions reminds me of a little piece I wrote a few weeks ago called "A Graduation Address." I think you might find that it resonates with your thinking.
Here is the link.
You make a lot of strong points. There is one thing I would add that may explain why we blew it in the last fifty years. Once upon a time,education in the Untied States of Ameica was not a byproduct of the economy.
There really was a time in this country when education was approached and applied much the same way fine art is. Over the last fifty years,we have managed to eliminate the creative process from everyday life, and have instead delegated it to a handfull of elite corporations who do all our creative thinking for us.
The Edisons,Bells, Fords, Einsteins etc. all were creations of their own design. Nobody cultivated them in an intellectual greenhouse. Neither were they all that unique in their time.
Because we as a nation promoted the development of the individual, when many of history's great innovators were told they didn't have what it took, they simply persevered on their own until they did have what it took.
We have dismantled the system that allows failures to develop their own paths to success. As a result, we have choked out the creativity that made this the most exciting nation on the planet "Once upon a time".
I am sure you hope that too.
Actually, the technology that developed due to Section 29 tax credits under Carter's energy policies produced advanced wind mills to generate electricty, coal seam gas drilling, tight sand gas drilling, horizontal drilling and new methods of infilling. These were all considered "unconventional" at the time and now are mainstream. Those tax credits have long expired, and we are in a far better place now than we would be without them.
Adam Smith, the 19th century champion of the "invisible hand" believed that market forces would solve all problems like this. I always thought it was ironic that Smith was a devout Christian pushing evolutionary processes!
I wrote a piece about Adam Smith a few months ago that is pertinent to this discussion.
Here is the link to "Adam Smith Would Be Shaking His Head.
Well, honestly, he wasn't a very effective president. He came to Washington an outsider, with a bunch of his cronies who were also outsiders. They didn't work with Congress very well. But I always thought he was honest...maybe a little too honest to be successful in Washington. It was a long time ago, and I wasn't as politically aware then, and I have not read any analyses of his presidency. He had to deal with the Iran Hostage Crisis, the failed rescue mission, and some other bad stuff That's what a lot of people remember about his presidency.
But I DO remember his efforts to get us off our oil dependency. It was arguably the most important thing he did, even though Reagan dismantled it immediately. He did what national leaders are supposed to do...used the prestige of his office, his bully pulpit, to advocate things that were necessary, but not popular. He was a visionary. We haven't had a president with any vision since, and the only one I can think of before in recent times is maybe Kennedy who did the same sort of thing to push the space program.
Actually, I did the research 20 years ago. I invested in a few of those coal seam and tight sand natural gas trusts back then. I'm looking for new stuff right now.
If we reduce the whole state of Colorado and a chunk of Canada to smokng sterile rubble, we can probably get enough gas for a few million more SUV's. Let's do it!
www.thenaturalstep.ca
But of course, the whole thing comes back to population. We are way over the top of sustainable world population. Probably 1-2Billion is the limit, and we're at 6 and climbing. If that continues upward, nothing can save us. We're fruit flies in the bell jar, and eventually, the population will go to zero.
Your article is your personal view, yet, personal to many of us. I am back for a re-read of your thoughtfulness.
And to read the thoughtful comments your article is generating.
This is my favorite part of Gather, the ideas and opinions of others, this great mass that makes up "us" and "we."
In defending my ideas, I am forced to re-examine them critically, refine them, even revise them! That is so stimulating...and satisfying!
I am always looking for a GREAT argument, something a little edgier than formal debate and more personal.
While I think I once engaged in such discussions. (Maybe it is faulty memory)
It now seems that the opposing point of view gets out the club, swings, then runs.
Or if you can't be converted abandons the discussion.
Hard to find Good Personal Arguments about politics, business, education, other topics I love. Two sentences into the topic, a label is applied by one or the other and/or by both to each other.
By personal, I mean outside the viewpoints presented to the public via the news providers and the paid to publish pundits.
PS,
Much as I love a good disagreement, I am never loath to say, I agree.
I will re-read, and look for something to disagree with you about. . .
I look forward to it
I don't think our glory days are in our past.
I remember conversations with people who had lived through the depression. Few now remember, that here in the great United States, people were dying from hunger and cold. I was told, but do not really understand what it meant to be hungry, and hopeless, in a land that held so much. How many had surrendered completely? How many thought the American Dream was over. Land and minerals had been the fuel that built the nation until then, now they were all used up, this was the idea being sold as the reason for the great failure. It was not the land and minerals, that built this nation, it was the people.
I think we have to imagine ourselves out of this, and that we will. I believe it in spite of this hard swing to the right, that there is this idea planted into our consciousness, the idea of individual freedom and dignity, and the idea that we can change our own future individually and as a nation It was people holding these ideas that filled up this land. Speculations and manipulations of the Wealthy and Powerful that brought it to an end. There was then, in the 1920s as there was in the 1970s great resentment among the elite and powerful that too much power and wealth had ceeded to the lower classes.
FDR had an idea and managed to gather enough with similar ideas to make changes. This time electricity and oil fueled the changes, not land and gold. The changes again were distasteful to some, the idea that once again the lower classes had too much power and wealth,that beginning with Nixon, the old hierarchies began to be reemployed. Nixon used fear of communism, fear of social disorder and racism, Regan's team, deluded with image and used patriotic thems and race as well. With this administration we have reached the exact opposite of FDRs ideas. It is the old idea back again.
Cheap oil was the fuel of the twentieth century in the way cheap land had been the fuel of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
We don't know what fuel will feed our race back to individual dignity and freedom, but the fuel will be found, and we will reinvent ourselves yet again. It is hard now to understand how foreign FDRs ideas were, using tax money to help people out of the ditch of despair, and by doing so acknowledging they had not wrought their own fate, and needed help to stand up once again.
Hidden in this idea of individual worth is the fuel that will move us forward again.
Is that a disagreement?
I will NOT rain on your parade.
Will we do that again? There isn't much sign of a groundswell of activism yet. The elections this fall are crucial. If we don't get control of Congress back from the RIght Wing, nothing will change until at least 2008...if then.
When my Republican relatives and friends start ranting about something. I remind them that they have a majority in both houses and the Presidency. None of this can be blamed on the Democrats.
Either the problem started under Clinton...or FDR...or Truman...and Dubya just "inherited" it, or it's the fault of the "liberal courts" or some other excuse. The current bunch in power have mastered the art of deflecting blame and creating "spin." Reagan was called "The Teflon Man"...nothing bad ever stuck to him...Dubya and friends have made Reagan look like an amateur.
You know this is easy. . . and why. . .
For five years now, the Republicans have controlled Congress and the White House. Why are things getting worse and worse internationally, domestically, in the economy, and in the increased divisiveness of our society? Hey, they are in charge, they completely control the agenda in Congress, can run over the Democrats whenever they like.
So what do we have as a result? Well, the first thing that hits me in the face is RAMPANT CORRUPTION AND INFLU"ENCE PEDDLING. Sure, we had it before five years ago, but I don't think anybody would deny that it has goeetn a Helluva lot worse.
Add that to the slow inexorable advance of the Religious Right, and anybody who is not a member of that fanatical bloc has to feel threatened.
It is time for a change. For the pendulum to swing back from the extreme right toward center, where we need to have a majority of the politicians, working together, hammering out compromises, RESPECTING each other.
Will we ever see that again?
O'Riley on the TV when I arrived. . .At least they (the family) are really mad about the immigration thing. I didn't even have to argue with them this evening. Even they mentioned the corruption. And Dobson and his wife were on blathering about the National Day of Prayer.
Oob la de Oob la da Life Goes On. . .
I often wonder how different things would be if Gore had won in 2000.
9/11 would still have happened, and we probably would have gone into Afghanistan, but we would not be in Iraq. And the rest of the world would not be afraid of us.
I saw that a group of Christians organized a rally to pray that the cost of oil would go down. I found that quite ironic, given that these are the same people who prayed that Bush would win a second term.
You get what you pray for; too bad you can't pray it back.
That's really funny! I'm sure that they wouldn't get the irony, Johnny.
Irony is lost on such people. Just think...they approve of the Iraq War and the death penalty, but oppose abortion and stem cell research. They deplore teen-age sex and unwed mothers, but oppose sex education and contraceptives. To understand the thinking of such people requires the ability to follow a twisted path through thickets of contradictions.
I am having trouble understanding your comment.
First, why did you think I approved of teenage sex?
Second, where did you get the idea I favored pardoning mass murderers?
Third (laughing) I am a little past teen age, so it is physically impossible for me to engage in teenage sex, since that requires two teenagers! If one of the participants is over 21, then it's called statutory rape or pedophilism.
Or am I taking your comment seriously, and I was supposed to consider it some kind of joke?
Enlighten me.
Opec has gained tremendous power in the last ten years. Before that, when the world had plenty of oil, they were a "paper tiger," trying to get oil producers to stick to quotas to keep the price of oil up. They were a joke. No more, and their power is growing every day as they extract money from the rest of the world. What makes our present course so insane is that some of that money we pay for oil is going to terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda who are plotting to destroy us. We are funding our own destruction. The yuppie moms driving their three-ton, 11 mpg SUV's don't want to think about it, but THEY are the problem, or at least part of it.
The house I live in cost $17,500 in 1960. Even with 40 years of working as a professional, with a systematic savings program, I could not afford to buy it today. I feel very sorry for young people today. Outsourcing of even highly skilled jobs has put tremendous pressure on salaries, and in particular on benefits paid by employers, like health insurance.
The baby boomers retiring over the next few years will probably be able to make it ok, but for future generations, it's going to get worse and worse as energy prices continue to escalate and the dollar continues to slide..
The big question: is it too late to turn it around? I realize this will not happen under GWB, for he is the Nero of our times.
Probably not.
Sad, sad, sad.
We may not be able to recover completely...the huge debt is there and still growing...but we can certainly stop the bleeding by embarking on serious conservation and alternative energy programs. We simply must stop buying such huge quantities of oil, particularly from the Middle East.
The best short-term measure is conservation.
There is much truth in what you say, and my hyperbole in the May 4th post was ill-considered. I do think there are inconsistencies in the thinking of some fundamentalist Christians, but I should not have generalized to the extent that I did.
Demonizing of the opposition is an easy trap to fall into, and it certainly goes both ways.
Some more thoughts: Let's take the views of our President on capital punishment, abortion and stem cell research, the Iraq war, teenage sex, sex education in the schools and the teaching of "Creation Science" in the schools. In the case of the last two issues, I think it is hypocritical to say, "We'll teach our kids about sex at home, but we want the schools to teach Christian dogma."
I think Bush's publicly stated views on these topics are contradictory, and his hard-core supporters, who are almost exclusively fundamentalist Christians, must share those views or they would not be his supporters..
It is probable that a large majority of Christians do not share his views on many of those subjects, however, and that is what I failed to point out in my May 4th post.